Some New Conservative Ideas

[United Dependencies]

I didn't realize when I started playing this game, you all were a group of nerdy liberal freaks.

I'm not nerdy!

Sigh* pulls out clip board and makes a check at the top*

denial is always the first stage.

[The Adrian Empire]

I am a strict conservative. I have some new BIG ideas

Get rid of all Federal dept except Defense, State, Justice, Treasury
End the Fed
End Social Security
End the CIA
End Welfare
End corporate welfare
End income tax
Get out of the middle east. We're spending too much money there
Stop taking freedom for granted
End abortion except for non-consentual sex
Deport all illegals
Get out of the healthcare business
Stop overregulating
Allow religion in public school

I can keep going.

Not that new friend, most of your ideas are similar to mine, I'll bold the ones I disagree with, then take up arguments on them:
1. End the CIA: I don't like a secret government organization, but espionage is necessary if a nation is to be secure
2. Get out of the middle east. We're spending too much money there: I disagree with cut and run diplomacy, we helped those nations topple tyrannical governments we should stay until the job is done
Deport all illegals: I am against controlled immigration, while I agree current illegals should be kicked out, afterwards new immigrants should not require anything other than to not be an escaping fugitive or a nazi/communist war criminal

1. Meh
2. You might check the news, the tyrannical governments in both Afghanistan and Iraq have been gone for quite a while.
3. Please explain how you propose to deport 11,000,000 people. And please be specific.

1. Like the police, the CIA are necessary to investigate terrorist and aggressive foreign activity
2. Yes, I realize, but Afghanistan is very fragile, we shouldn't put into them into shark tank before they learn to swim, Iraq is much more secure though
3. Can't say how, I was just trying to be agreeable, since my preferred option would be to let them all stay, except the drug dealers and criminals which we already catch, immigrants help infuse the nation with competition

[Farnhamia]

I didn't realize when I started playing this game, you all were a group of nerdy liberal freaks.

I'm not nerdy!

Sigh* pulls out clip board and makes a check at the top*

denial is always the first stage.

The smiley denotes anger. That's the next stage, isn't it?

[Free and Open States]

Gosh! Did anyone actually read the list. I'm being accused of liking public healthcare! What part of "Stay out of the health business" dont you understand!

[Panzerjaeger]

Gosh! Did anyone actually read the list. I'm being accused of liking public healthcare! What part of "Stay out of the health business" dont you understand!

We read between the lines and see your communist agenda.

[Free and Open States]

I'm tired of this satire shit. Lets talk serious.

[Asceaus]

I'm tired of this satire shit. Lets talk serious.

Only a couple hours...you can hold on.

[Panzerjaeger]

I'm tired of this satire shit. Lets talk serious.

Wrong day for that.

[Vox Libertatem]

if there's no income tax how would you raise enough money to run a country?

(speaking as Vox Libertatem and not necessarily as the Man Behind The Curtain):

Toll roads, user fees, the lottery, donations, fines for criminal activity, and recognizing that, in many respects, countries can run themselves. Who in Hades needs a bloated mass of a government anyway? People can run their own lives, thank you very much. Its not like you need to have some ninny force you to eat right and exercise and take contraceptives and buy health insurance, after all... (that would never happen, would it? )

Of course, we of Vox Libertatem aren't exactly what most people would call "conservative". We frankly don't understand most so-called "morality" legislation. I seems like two-thirds of our media are censored or outright banned in other countries for the most absurd reasons (nude breasts? Look, even babies generally get more than a good look at breasts.... what in hades do people get up in arms about it? Half the time it isn't even sexual!). For that matter, not allowing homosexual men into the military when heterosexual women are allowed - assuming you want soldiers to be monastic in the first place - is sort of a weird double standard. Or "sodomy laws" - those are completely unbelievable, and insane. And apparently "affairs" threaten the sanctity of marriage; hasn't anyone thought about asking their spouse to pick a good mistress or lover for them? Or the two of you could go together to look for one for you or him/her (or for you two to share, if you're so inclined, or even to add a third partner to your marriage). Good, family-building exercises which don't require being tied up (unless you're into that sort of thing).

And beyond that, there is "prohibition". Try that lunacy in Libertas and you'd be massacred by an angry mob in a heartbeat. Or laws against gambling, doing business on certain days of the week, curfews, etc.

[Farnhamia]

I am a strict conservative. I have some new BIG ideas

Get rid of all Federal dept except Defense, State, Justice, Treasury
End the Fed
End Social Security
End the CIA
End Welfare
End corporate welfare
End income tax
Get out of the middle east. We're spending too much money there
Stop taking freedom for granted
End abortion except for non-consentual sex
Deport all illegals
Get out of the healthcare business
Stop overregulating
Allow religion in public school

I can keep going.

Not that new friend, most of your ideas are similar to mine, I'll bold the ones I disagree with, then take up arguments on them:
1. End the CIA: I don't like a secret government organization, but espionage is necessary if a nation is to be secure
2. Get out of the middle east. We're spending too much money there: I disagree with cut and run diplomacy, we helped those nations topple tyrannical governments we should stay until the job is done
Deport all illegals: I am against controlled immigration, while I agree current illegals should be kicked out, afterwards new immigrants should not require anything other than to not be an escaping fugitive or a nazi/communist war criminal

1. Meh
2. You might check the news, the tyrannical governments in both Afghanistan and Iraq have been gone for quite a while.
3. Please explain how you propose to deport 11,000,000 people. And please be specific.

1. Like the police, the CIA are necessary to investigate terrorist and aggressive foreign activity
2. Yes, I realize, but Afghanistan is very fragile, we shouldn't put into them into shark tank before they learn to swim, Iraq is much more secure though
3. Can't say how, I was just trying to be agreeable, since my preferred option would be to let them all stay, except the drug dealers and criminals which we already catch, immigrants help infuse the nation with competition

1. I agree.
2. The Afghans have already discovered the delights of holding fraudulent elections and arguing over the results. I think they're ready. Now, as soon as they hand over Bin Laden ... oh, wait ...
3. Be careful, some people will take you at face value when you're just trying to be agreeable.

[Sdaeriji]

This thread reeks of Poe.

[Farnhamia]

if there's no income tax how would you raise enough money to run a country?

(speaking as Vox Libertatem and not necessarily as the Man Behind The Curtain):

Toll roads, user fees, the lottery, donations, fines for criminal activity, and recognizing that, in many respects, countries can run themselves. Who in Hades needs a bloated mass of a government anyway? People can run their own lives, thank you very much. Its not like you need to have some ninny force you to eat right and exercise and take contraceptives and buy health insurance, after all... (that would never happen, would it? )

Of course, we of Vox Libertatem aren't exactly what most people would call "conservative". We frankly don't understand most so-called "morality" legislation. I seems like two-thirds of our media are censored or outright banned in other countries for the most absurd reasons (nude breasts? Look, even babies generally get more than a good look at breasts.... what in hades do people get up in arms about it? Half the time it isn't even sexual!). For that matter, not allowing homosexual men into the military when heterosexual women are allowed - assuming you want soldiers to be monastic in the first place - is sort of a weird double standard. Or "sodomy laws" - those are completely unbelievable, and insane. And apparently "affairs" threaten the sanctity of marriage; hasn't anyone thought about asking their spouse to pick a good mistress or lover for them? Or the two of you could go together to look for one for you or him/her (or for you two to share, if you're so inclined, or even to add a third partner to your marriage). Good, family-building exercises which don't require being tied up (unless you're into that sort of thing).

And beyond that, there is "prohibition". Try that lunacy in Libertas and you'd be massacred by an angry mob in a heartbeat. Or laws against gambling, doing business on certain days of the week, curfews, etc.

Given these fora are successors, even short-lived, to NSG, we don't do In Character. We're all always the Person Behind the Curtain.

[United Dependencies]

I didn't realize when I started playing this game, you all were a group of nerdy liberal freaks.

I'm not nerdy!

Sigh* pulls out clip board and makes a check at the top*

denial is always the first stage.

The smiley denotes anger. That's the next stage, isn't it?

Hmm he appears to have combined some. This can't turn out well.

[Pythria]

All good except tax, middle east, and un ideas.

Thank you, a rational person. I hate taxes as much as the next person (liberals aren't people), and think they should be lower, but what else is the government supposed to run on? I don't think the goverment should spend so much money on stupid programs like welfare, but tax money is also used for things like roads and libraries. As for the Middle East, are we supposed to just let the terrorists attack us? I could count the terrorist attacks on US soil (or planes) since 9/11 on one hand. The UN, though, I don't care about. We probably shouldn't pull out of that, though, because it would be an international relations nightmare. I also don't agree with the part about ending the CIA. They are necessary.


To sum it up, there is a difference between being a rational conservative and an anarchist.

[The Fifty Metropoli]

I am a strict conservative. I have some new BIG ideas

Get rid of all Federal dept except Defense, State, Justice, Treasury
End the Fed
End Social Security
End the CIA
End Welfare
End corporate welfare
End income tax
Get out of the middle east. We're spending too much money there
Stop taking freedom for granted
End abortion except for non-consentual sex
Deport all illegals
Get out of the healthcare business
Stop overregulating
Allow religion in public school

I can keep going.

I agree with almost everything. However, I think that we should:
Continue corporate welfare--Conservative values are based upon a strong capitalist, economically-powerful society and how can this be remade and/or sustained without at least some initial corporate welfare
Continue income tax--Income tax was instituted for the first time in this country by either the 1st or 2nd (behind Reagan) Republican President in the history of the United States, Abraham Lincoln. How much more conservative a state institution can you get? Also, the government would not be able to function without income tax. Here's a proposal: Lower upper and upper middle class tax rates and raise those of the lower and lower middle classes so that the lower classes know what it feels like to contribute about 87% of the total income tax dollars per year so that they'll stop bitching and whining.
Continue the Fed--I recently read an article about the history of financial crises in the United States. During the 19th century, there were about 15 legitimate financial panics plus another 3 during the first 12 years of the 20th century. The creation of the Fed in 1913 has meant that there have only been 4 real crises during the rest of the 20th and thus far during the 21st centuries. Granted, the Great Depression was terrible, probably enough to equal the power of several of the 19th century panics, but I insist.
Keep all of the Cabinet departments except for the Departments of Veterans Affairs and of Labor. As for the rest, the Departments of Health and Human Services and of Housing and Urban Development should be combined to create the Department of Health, Housing, and Human Services. The Department of Homeland Security should be absorbed into the current Department of Defense and the Department of Justice should be absorbed into the Department of the Interior. The Departments of Agriculture and Energy should be combined to create the Department of Energy and Horticulture as we should look for new forms of renewable energy, not because of global warming because it's a load of bs, but because we will eventually run out of fossil fuels. As for the Cabinet-level Departments, scrap the Environmental Protection Agency, the Office of Management and Budget, and the Council of Economic Advisors.
Stay in the Middle East--Do you want to be viewed the same way that Nixon was after pulling out of Vietnam and that the 1st Bush was after pulling out of the Middle East the first time we went there.
Nevertheless, some great ideas.

[Los Lupes]

:rofl: Wow, you guys are jokes!!! You have no idea how a country works! Veblenia, you don't even know the difference between left and right politics! Some of this stuff just can't or shouldn't be done. You are lucky your NSs aren't on the real world cause you guys wouldn't last a day as leaders!

I'm glad you feel so superior, but this is obviously an April fools day joke.

[Vox Libertatem]

if there's no income tax how would you raise enough money to run a country?

(speaking as Vox Libertatem and not necessarily as the Man Behind The Curtain):

Toll roads, user fees, the lottery, donations, fines for criminal activity, and recognizing that, in many respects, countries can run themselves. Who in Hades needs a bloated mass of a government anyway? People can run their own lives, thank you very much. Its not like you need to have some ninny force you to eat right and exercise and take contraceptives and buy health insurance, after all... (that would never happen, would it? )

Of course, we of Vox Libertatem aren't exactly what most people would call "conservative". We frankly don't understand most so-called "morality" legislation. I seems like two-thirds of our media are censored or outright banned in other countries for the most absurd reasons (nude breasts? Look, even babies generally get more than a good look at breasts.... what in hades do people get up in arms about it? Half the time it isn't even sexual!). For that matter, not allowing homosexual men into the military when heterosexual women are allowed - assuming you want soldiers to be monastic in the first place - is sort of a weird double standard. Or "sodomy laws" - those are completely unbelievable, and insane. And apparently "affairs" threaten the sanctity of marriage; hasn't anyone thought about asking their spouse to pick a good mistress or lover for them? Or the two of you could go together to look for one for you or him/her (or for you two to share, if you're so inclined, or even to add a third partner to your marriage). Good, family-building exercises which don't require being tied up (unless you're into that sort of thing).

And beyond that, there is "prohibition". Try that lunacy in Libertas and you'd be massacred by an angry mob in a heartbeat. Or laws against gambling, doing business on certain days of the week, curfews, etc.

Given these fora are successors, even short-lived, to NSG, we don't do In Character. We're all always the Person Behind the Curtain.

But sometimes I enjoy being in character. Especially as half the arguments here are jokes anyway (is this subfora an April Fool's Joke itself?) - so I may as well get in character, as my nation's views are generally similar to but much more extreme then mine - and thus way more fun to argue!

[The Adrian Empire]

All good except tax, middle east, and un ideas.

Thank you, a rational person. I hate taxes as much as the next person (liberals aren't people), and think they should be lower, but what else is the government supposed to run on? I don't think the goverment should spend so much money on stupid programs like welfare, but tax money is also used for things like roads and libraries. As for the Middle East, are we supposed to just let the terrorists attack us? I could count the terrorist attacks on US soil (or planes) since 9/11 on one hand. The UN, though, I don't care about. We probably shouldn't pull out of that, though, because it would be an international relations nightmare. I also don't agree with the part about ending the CIA. They are necessary.


To sum it up, there is a difference between being a rational conservative and an anarchist.

I prefer sales and especially luxury taxes, they are proportional and at the same time flat for every income level, you are now longer asking people to work for the government as with
income tax, this is the only real way I can see of making taxes a choice. Since one does not have to purchase anything really, though obviously that is only half truth, fact is that, I would rather give the government money because I am buying something, thus paying them for a service, then having my product of my labour ripped from my hands to pay the Noble's coffers for his continued favour towards my existence.
Yes, it will be a bit unpredictable for the budget, but what better way to give the "tax and spenders" reason to butt out, if they can't tell how much money they will make in a year, they will be forced into a position of fiscal conservativeness, waiting until there is suitable treasury amounts to warrant new spending, rather then simply raising income taxes which are predictable and thus give the liberals a predictable model with which to spend.

With luxuries as well, I would consider them no worse then fines, which I already agree are legitimate enterprises of the government. If I buy something that will affect my own health to the point in which I am a burden to the state, should not the state have right to tax me for choosing said product. Likewise when one is buying something that is best kept to lower numbers or owned only by those responsible, like cars, or to a lesser extent firearms (which should best be kept in high numbers)

[Lunatic Goofballs]

I didn't realize when I started playing this game, you all were a group of nerdy liberal freaks.

I'm not nerdy!

Sigh* pulls out clip board and makes a check at the top*

denial is always the first stage.

The smiley denotes anger. That's the next stage, isn't it?

I'll give you a taco if you get off his side.

[Farnhamia]

I didn't realize when I started playing this game, you all were a group of nerdy liberal freaks.

I'm not nerdy!

Sigh* pulls out clip board and makes a check at the top*

denial is always the first stage.

The smiley denotes anger. That's the next stage, isn't it?

I'll give you a taco if you get off his side.

LG nerdy? What an idea! Why, LG is the least nerdy, the manliest, I mean, the mud alone should convince anyone with half a brain of that!

How's that?

[Lunatic Goofballs]

I'm not nerdy!

Sigh* pulls out clip board and makes a check at the top*

denial is always the first stage.

The smiley denotes anger. That's the next stage, isn't it?

I'll give you a taco if you get off his side.

LG nerdy? What an idea! Why, LG is the least nerdy, the manliest, I mean, the mud alone should convince anyone with half a brain of that!

How's that?

[Farnhamia]

I'm not nerdy!

Sigh* pulls out clip board and makes a check at the top*

denial is always the first stage.

The smiley denotes anger. That's the next stage, isn't it?

I'll give you a taco if you get off his side.

LG nerdy? What an idea! Why, LG is the least nerdy, the manliest, I mean, the mud alone should convince anyone with half a brain of that!

How's that?

*Seizes tacos - two! - and runs off, chortling*

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Sigh* pulls out clip board and makes a check at the top*

denial is always the first stage.

The smiley denotes anger. That's the next stage, isn't it?

I'll give you a taco if you get off his side.

LG nerdy? What an idea! Why, LG is the least nerdy, the manliest, I mean, the mud alone should convince anyone with half a brain of that!

How's that?

*Seizes tacos - two! - and runs off, chortling*

Now that Bargaining has worked, I guess I can skip the Depression and Acceptance stages.