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The Onox Legion
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Founded: Sep 20, 2021
Father Knows Best State

Postby The Onox Legion » Sun Oct 23, 2022 1:10 pm

Aureumterra III wrote:Been noticing a trend of people who think ignoring war conventions and committing war crimes against opponents which adhere to international law somehow translates to automatic military success

HOI4 and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
A bandit state lying in the Center of the Southern Hylian Continent.
Raiding, destruction, partying are all part of the program.
The World is one where the three timelines have merged a while ago, but tensions have risen.
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NS stats have been beaten up and gotten their wallets taken, they don't count.

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Alasiqak
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Founded: Jun 24, 2020
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Alasiqak » Sun Oct 23, 2022 1:13 pm

This might be a niche one but foreign-language nation names that were obviously Google translated and don’t make sense. I’m guilty of this, I wanted to make a Chinese island nation so I Google translated, “round island”, turns out my nation actually means something like “tennis tournament” in Chinese LOL.

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Dayganistan
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Founded: May 02, 2016
Father Knows Best State

Postby Dayganistan » Sun Oct 23, 2022 1:54 pm

Aureumterra III wrote:Been noticing a trend of people who think ignoring war conventions and committing war crimes against opponents which adhere to international law somehow translates to automatic military success

This is hardly a recent thing.
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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Founded: Jun 28, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Oct 23, 2022 2:02 pm

Aureumterra III wrote:Been noticing a trend of people who think ignoring war conventions and committing war crimes against opponents which adhere to international law somehow translates to automatic military success

the number of times ppl have to explain that actually partisans get geneva protections as long as they wear identifiable marks and uniforms smh...

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Mechyrdia
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Founded: Jul 30, 2016
Corporate Bordello

Postby Mechyrdia » Sun Oct 23, 2022 2:11 pm

Aureumterra III wrote:Been noticing a trend of people who think ignoring war conventions and committing war crimes against opponents which adhere to international law somehow translates to automatic military success

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Gonswanza
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Gonswanza » Sun Oct 23, 2022 2:30 pm

Mechyrdia wrote:

Based take.
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Diarcesia
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Founded: Aug 21, 2016
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Diarcesia » Sun Oct 23, 2022 3:16 pm

Aureumterra III wrote:Been noticing a trend of people who think ignoring war conventions and committing war crimes against opponents which adhere to international law somehow translates to automatic military success

It is in the short term or if such an option fully erases the other side from existence (Third Punic War for example)

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-Astoria-
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby -Astoria- » Sun Oct 23, 2022 4:03 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Aureumterra III wrote:Been noticing a trend of people who think ignoring war conventions and committing war crimes against opponents which adhere to international law somehow translates to automatic military success

the number of times ppl have to explain that actually partisans get geneva protections as long as they wear identifiable marks and uniforms smh...

"Geneva Convention (s)? More like Geneva suggestions..."
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Continental Free States
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Continental Free States » Sun Oct 23, 2022 11:29 pm

Aureumterra III wrote:Been noticing a trend of people who think ignoring war conventions and committing war crimes against opponents which adhere to international law somehow translates to automatic military success

That just comes from the rather childish viewpoint that rules of war were enforced on generals rather than specifically being their own idea. When you posit that "war has no rules" or that some bureaucrats in the Hague just sat and brainstormed on "how do we make fighting a war harder?" to make the rules of war, you end up with the rather stupid conclusion that the side that doesn't follow rules of war wins.
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The Holy Dragon Imperium
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Founded: May 31, 2022
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby The Holy Dragon Imperium » Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:18 am

Continental Free States wrote:
Aureumterra III wrote:Been noticing a trend of people who think ignoring war conventions and committing war crimes against opponents which adhere to international law somehow translates to automatic military success

That just comes from the rather childish viewpoint that rules of war were enforced on generals rather than specifically being their own idea. When you posit that "war has no rules" or that some bureaucrats in the Hague just sat and brainstormed on "how do we make fighting a war harder?" to make the rules of war, you end up with the rather stupid conclusion that the side that doesn't follow rules of war wins.

What do you mean that my epic plan to have my soldiers fake surrender then shot everyone will only work once and mean that future surrendering soldiers are much more likely to just be shot? Or that my awesome tactics of killing all surrendering enemy soldiers will just make them fight to the death and cause me to take many more losses. Or that killing enemy doctors doesn't really effect the enemy army currently in the flied and means that they have less doctors to treat my wounded?
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Picairn
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Founded: Feb 21, 2020
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Picairn » Tue Oct 25, 2022 9:13 pm

Continental Free States wrote:
Aureumterra III wrote:Been noticing a trend of people who think ignoring war conventions and committing war crimes against opponents which adhere to international law somehow translates to automatic military success

That just comes from the rather childish viewpoint that rules of war were enforced on generals rather than specifically being their own idea. When you posit that "war has no rules" or that some bureaucrats in the Hague just sat and brainstormed on "how do we make fighting a war harder?" to make the rules of war, you end up with the rather stupid conclusion that the side that doesn't follow rules of war wins.

>"War has no rules."
>Enemy deploys counter war crimes
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Wolfstruppen
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Founded: Feb 09, 2022
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Wolfstruppen » Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:32 am

But war crimes are fun... :(
My nation does NOT reflect my views IRL, it is merely my interpretation of a leader I choose to be within my nation.

NSStats are not canon :)

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The Onox Legion
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Father Knows Best State

Postby The Onox Legion » Wed Oct 26, 2022 6:49 am

Wolfstruppen wrote:But war crimes are fun... :(

One would think that, yet when every new writer does it in an attempt for his nation to look "Cool and Edgy Donutsteel Pragmatic Antihero Tough Guys" without actually thinking about it, it certainly becomes fricking lame.
A bandit state lying in the Center of the Southern Hylian Continent.
Raiding, destruction, partying are all part of the program.
The World is one where the three timelines have merged a while ago, but tensions have risen.
OOC: Check out the Pocket Guide for a better F7
NS stats have been beaten up and gotten their wallets taken, they don't count.

"Having some political Ideology is in no way a replacement for having a personality" - General Onox
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The Onox Legion
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Father Knows Best State

Postby The Onox Legion » Wed Oct 26, 2022 1:00 pm

Cliché: Is the following thing canon in BN? and Predict the BN. being pretty much 2 iterations of the same thread.
A bandit state lying in the Center of the Southern Hylian Continent.
Raiding, destruction, partying are all part of the program.
The World is one where the three timelines have merged a while ago, but tensions have risen.
OOC: Check out the Pocket Guide for a better F7
NS stats have been beaten up and gotten their wallets taken, they don't count.

"Having some political Ideology is in no way a replacement for having a personality" - General Onox
Ask questions here

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Diarcesia
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Diarcesia » Wed Oct 26, 2022 1:23 pm

The Onox Legion wrote:Cliché: Is the following thing canon in BN? and Predict the BN. being pretty much 2 iterations of the same thread.

The latter thread's original intent is to name the exact BN, not if BN has [something].

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The Onox Legion
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Postby The Onox Legion » Wed Oct 26, 2022 1:37 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
The Onox Legion wrote:Cliché: Is the following thing canon in BN? and Predict the BN. being pretty much 2 iterations of the same thread.

The latter thread's original intent is to name the exact BN, not if BN has [something].

Well, in theory.
In praxis however, it has not been that even back then when I founded the WDS and IIRC, even during my first time on the website
A bandit state lying in the Center of the Southern Hylian Continent.
Raiding, destruction, partying are all part of the program.
The World is one where the three timelines have merged a while ago, but tensions have risen.
OOC: Check out the Pocket Guide for a better F7
NS stats have been beaten up and gotten their wallets taken, they don't count.

"Having some political Ideology is in no way a replacement for having a personality" - General Onox
Ask questions here

Anti-Realism Gang! Putting Real Life stuff in here is disgusting at a conceptual level!

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Diarcesia
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Diarcesia » Wed Oct 26, 2022 4:18 pm

The Onox Legion wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:The latter thread's original intent is to name the exact BN, not if BN has [something].

Well, in theory.
In praxis however, it has not been that even back then when I founded the WDS and IIRC, even during my first time on the website

And hence the cliche.

Another cliche: The RWDT and LWDT resurrecting in a slightly different name.

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Drongonia
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Founded: Feb 11, 2019
New York Times Democracy

Postby Drongonia » Wed Oct 26, 2022 11:04 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
The Onox Legion wrote:Well, in theory.
In praxis however, it has not been that even back then when I founded the WDS and IIRC, even during my first time on the website

And hence the cliche.

Another cliche: The RWDT and LWDT resurrecting in a slightly different name.

"What do you think of Capitalism"
"What do you think of Communism"

Also, the cliche of these two threads basically becoming an identical discussion.

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Transsibiria
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Founded: Sep 18, 2022
Father Knows Best State

Postby Transsibiria » Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:09 am

People believing and assuming unironically in OOC forum you are not only being the ideology of your nation but are somehow a representative of said nation. Even if said nation does not exists anymore or never existed in the first place to begin with.

Bonus point if any disclaimers to the opposite only reinforce said beliefs. :p
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Gonswanza
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Founded: Aug 13, 2021
Father Knows Best State

Postby Gonswanza » Thu Oct 27, 2022 8:38 am

Transsibiria wrote:People believing and assuming unironically in OOC forum you are not only being the ideology of your nation but are somehow a representative of said nation. Even if said nation does not exists anymore or never existed in the first place to begin with.

Bonus point if any disclaimers to the opposite only reinforce said beliefs. :p

This is why I never bother with disclaimers. Its stupid. This is a game, a funny political sim. It was never meant to be taken seriously.
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Free Stalliongrad
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Free Stalliongrad » Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:20 pm

Drongonia wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:And hence the cliche.

Another cliche: The RWDT and LWDT resurrecting in a slightly different name.

"What do you think of Capitalism"
"What do you think of Communism"

Also, the cliche of these two threads basically becoming an identical discussion.

User who supports communism: capitalism is ugly because it has raised dictatorships and made deaths.
User who supports capitalism: communism is ugly because it has raised dictatorships and made deaths.


In a nutshell, there is no escape from this pattern.

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The Onox Legion
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Postby The Onox Legion » Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:23 pm

Just more water on my mill that political ideologies are cringe and the root of all evil we have in societies or at least the reason why these problems haven't been fixed yet.
A bandit state lying in the Center of the Southern Hylian Continent.
Raiding, destruction, partying are all part of the program.
The World is one where the three timelines have merged a while ago, but tensions have risen.
OOC: Check out the Pocket Guide for a better F7
NS stats have been beaten up and gotten their wallets taken, they don't count.

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North Macaronesa
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Anarchy

Postby North Macaronesa » Thu Oct 27, 2022 8:29 pm

The Onox Legion wrote:Just more water on my mill that political ideologies are cringe and the root of all evil we have in societies or at least the reason why these problems haven't been fixed yet.

We're all too busy fighting over Hunter Biden's laptop in the US to get anything done
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Gandoor
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Gandoor » Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:05 am

Cliché: People writing GA proposals thinking that the General Assembly can actually do anything beyond 'WA members stats get adjusted based on the category that the proposal is in if it gets passed'.
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Tangatarehua
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Mother Knows Best State

Postby Tangatarehua » Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:34 am

People moaning that other people moaning about a cliché is itself a cliché because the first cliché has been around so long that people consider it a cliché to criticise that cliché.
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