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Gandoor
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Gandoor » Tue Oct 18, 2022 1:58 am

Continental Free States wrote:
Gandoor wrote:Y'all remember when there were tons of alt-history Nazi Germany nations lmao.

That's like the go-to uncreative alternate history nation right there.

To be fair I've seen more German Empire alt-his accounts (and that's to ignore accounts that are clearly a German Empire rip-off whose creator doesn't really know how Imperial Germany even functioned) than I have Nazi Germany. Though that may be because most of the latter get the boot long before they can become a fixture -even if a temporary one.

It has more to do with the fact that the word 'Nazi' has been prohibited in nation names since May 2021: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=505040 than anything else. They also just look at the names by themselves to determine if a nation is breaking the rules or not.

So you're really not going to see explicitly Nazi-themed nations anymore on this site, outside of ones that might slip through the cracks.
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The Onox Legion
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Father Knows Best State

Postby The Onox Legion » Tue Oct 18, 2022 2:13 am

HOI4 and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race. Quod erat demonstrandum.
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Postby Gandoor » Tue Oct 18, 2022 2:18 am

Is HOI4 the game where the fanbase would keep adding references to one of the game's mods to Wikipedia articles of real people or was that some other game in the same genre?
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The Onox Legion
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Postby The Onox Legion » Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:35 am

Gandoor wrote:Is HOI4 the game where the fanbase would keep adding references to one of the game's mods to Wikipedia articles of real people or was that some other game in the same genre?

Think it was HOI4, though the Fate Franchise also likely had incidents of that happening.
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Dayganistan
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Postby Dayganistan » Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:43 am

Continental Free States wrote:
Gandoor wrote:Y'all remember when there were tons of alt-history Nazi Germany nations lmao.

That's like the go-to uncreative alternate history nation right there.

To be fair I've seen more German Empire alt-his accounts (and that's to ignore accounts that are clearly a German Empire rip-off whose creator doesn't really know how Imperial Germany even functioned) than I have Nazi Germany. Though that may be because most of the latter get the boot long before they can become a fixture -even if a temporary one.

The German Empire is almost always used as a placeholder for the 3rd Reich by these people so they can say they're not a nazi nation. But honestly, any alt history Germany is probably the most lazy and generic one possible.
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Bigpipstan
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Bigpipstan » Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:47 am

NS cliche: People off site keep asking to have their nation rated without having any factbooks or just having one really short one.
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Diaboland
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Anarchy

Postby Diaboland » Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:52 am

"Iron Fist Consumerist" nations with the "communist" aesthetic (Cyrillic letters, stars, color red etc.)

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Gonswanza
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Gonswanza » Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:17 am

Bigpipstan wrote:NS cliche: People off site keep asking to have their nation rated without having any factbooks or just having one really short one.

Or people jumping into the Vs AN threads with no information at all. Ditto for the "YL's opinion on AL" threads.
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The Onox Legion
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Postby The Onox Legion » Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:42 am

Dayganistan wrote:
Continental Free States wrote:To be fair I've seen more German Empire alt-his accounts (and that's to ignore accounts that are clearly a German Empire rip-off whose creator doesn't really know how Imperial Germany even functioned) than I have Nazi Germany. Though that may be because most of the latter get the boot long before they can become a fixture -even if a temporary one.

The German Empire is almost always used as a placeholder for the 3rd Reich by these people so they can say they're not a nazi nation. But honestly, any alt history Germany is probably the most lazy and generic one possible.

I mean, there are plenty of creative ways to do an alt-hist germany. Using the migration period tribes, different formers, divided germany, actually making alt-hists of the BRD, Surviving Weimar Republic, etc.
I can't remember ever seeing any of them done.
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Raiding, destruction, partying are all part of the program.
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NS stats have been beaten up and gotten their wallets taken, they don't count.

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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Feyrisshire » Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:49 am

The Onox Legion wrote:
Dayganistan wrote:The German Empire is almost always used as a placeholder for the 3rd Reich by these people so they can say they're not a nazi nation. But honestly, any alt history Germany is probably the most lazy and generic one possible.

I mean, there are plenty of creative ways to do an alt-hist germany. Using the migration period tribes, different formers, divided germany, actually making alt-hists of the BRD, Surviving Weimar Republic, etc.
I can't remember ever seeing any of them done.


And also GDR. Perhaps one of the most underrated and forgotten periods of Germany.

Even with the anime Germany ones. You can see, like 10+ Anime German Empires but I've only ever seen one Anime DDR in all of NS (They are based btw).

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Gonswanza
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Postby Gonswanza » Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:54 am

Going off topic here but what's with summies and their fetish for waging nuclear warfare?
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Dayganistan
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Postby Dayganistan » Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:58 am

Gonswanza wrote:Going off topic here but what's with summies and their fetish for waging nuclear warfare?

Trying to out evil each other, don't know how to write a powerful nation that doesn't wave it's nukes around.
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The Front Range
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Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby The Front Range » Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:59 am

Gonswanza wrote:Going off topic here but what's with summies and their fetish for waging nuclear warfare?

Probably a combination of the fact that they think all diplomacy must lead to or is war, and that they think using 5 billion thermonuclear weapons in a war will do nothing but guarantee them a victory and have no repercussions on their nation whatsoever while also being a way to flex how much of a superpower they are (if you couldn't tell by them merely owning the 5 billion nukes)
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Crimson Tree
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Crimson Tree » Tue Oct 18, 2022 11:01 am

I unintentionally caused a war like that.
Replace nukes with Warhammer 40K space marines and a jackalope girl with too much spare time
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Wolfstruppen
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Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Wolfstruppen » Tue Oct 18, 2022 11:02 am

Crimson Tree wrote:I unintentionally caused a war like that.
Replace nukes with Warhammer 40K space marines and a jackalope girl with too much spare time


hey..... I'm in that war....
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Gonswanza
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Gonswanza » Tue Oct 18, 2022 11:03 am

Crimson Tree wrote:I unintentionally caused a war like that.
Replace nukes with Warhammer 40K space marines and a jackalope girl with too much spare time

You... You really did lack a brain there.
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Isla Ventai
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Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Isla Ventai » Tue Oct 18, 2022 11:45 am

Imagine using Nukes or similar things when you could have an eldritch superboss of the winds as your leader which also powerscales according to tech level.
His mastery over the winds should also make even his past tech version capable of dealing with a modern military, as everything that isn't heavy ground troops would be unable to do anything inside his stormcrown. He'd still scale though, for that good old Superboss feel.
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Postby Dayganistan » Tue Oct 18, 2022 11:49 am

Having world destroying power whether it's millions of nukes or fantasy bullshit isn't so scary on NS when everyone has it. It's more fun to not have that stuff and RP as a regional power rather than competing for global hegemony.
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Continental Free States
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Continental Free States » Tue Oct 18, 2022 12:10 pm

Dayganistan wrote:Having world destroying power whether it's millions of nukes or fantasy bullshit isn't so scary on NS when everyone has it. It's more fun to not have that stuff and RP as a regional power rather than competing for global hegemony.

I don't know, a setting where everyone has thousands of nukes and actually have to deal with the consequences of that issue -and conducting diplomacy where literally any dispute can go nuclear and end up destroying human civilization as we know it- is an interesting idea to work on.
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Gralov » Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:35 pm

Continental Free States wrote:
Dayganistan wrote:Having world destroying power whether it's millions of nukes or fantasy bullshit isn't so scary on NS when everyone has it. It's more fun to not have that stuff and RP as a regional power rather than competing for global hegemony.

I don't know, a setting where everyone has thousands of nukes and actually have to deal with the consequences of that issue -and conducting diplomacy where literally any dispute can go nuclear and end up destroying human civilization as we know it- is an interesting idea to work on.


Nukes literally maintain the bitter peace we have in the 21st century. Oh but nukes aren't fun? Then don't go and invade nations like a map painting game and act like consequences will never happen
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:47 pm

Bigpipstan wrote:NS cliche: People off site keep asking to have their nation rated without having any factbooks or just having one really short one.

This one is definitely collateral if you spend any length of time on F7...I'm sure I've been guilty of this (looks at woefully unfinished factbooks). But it can be quite annoying when you have one nation with a detailed factbook and they get a reply from a nation with none, which either warrants a skip or someone doing the Contrived No-Factbook Leader ResponseTM.

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Ex-Nation

Postby Hvernzan » Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:23 pm

Gandoor wrote:Honestly sometimes it feels like the mods can be a bit too lenient at times but I think that's also because the way punishments are doled out here is different than the way most forums work.

Most internet forums don't let you have multiple accounts, for one.

NS Cliché: complaining that the mods aren't tyrannical enough.
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Godular » Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:22 pm

Hvernzan wrote:NS Cliché: complaining that the mods aren't tyrannical enough.


NS cliché: complaining that the mods are too tyrannical.

I’ve seen some posters do both.
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Samudera Darussalam » Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:28 pm

Godular wrote:
Hvernzan wrote:NS Cliché: complaining that the mods aren't tyrannical enough.


NS cliché: complaining that the mods are too tyrannical.

I’ve seen some posters do both.

Tbh I've seen people complain about the mods being tyrannical way more than the other, especially regarding the other forum.

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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Godular » Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:33 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Godular wrote:
NS cliché: complaining that the mods are too tyrannical.

I’ve seen some posters do both.

Tbh I've seen people complain about the mods being tyrannical way more than the other, especially regarding the other forum.


If you mean NSG, then that is largely because certain folks operate under the mistaken impression that ‘freedom of speech’ means they can spit whatever vitriol they like without repercussions, and then gripe when repercussions happen.

That bit’s funny to watch when it happens.
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