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Ulajhan
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Posts: 149
Founded: Mar 10, 2022
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Ulajhan » Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:45 pm

"Wars in most societies aren't about honor or fun. Wars in most societies end with a boot upon the neck of the loser, death free and all around. Wars are often about making a few people more wealthy and a lot of people miserable.

So good for you that you found a happy medium where no one has to suffer."




"Never look away, Admiral."

"Ma'am?"

"When you give the order. Never look away."

"...May... May I speak freely?"

"Go on."

"Why? It... It hurts to watch... This is... wrong Ma'am. This... This is all wrong... All of it."

"It makes it easier over time Admiral. When the word comes down from on high and it will often, to burn this world, to reinstall this asshole or that asshole to their rightful shiny chair because it suits our needs, to sack this city or that city. It makes it easier to do it again and again and again and again, and believe me for as long as I have lived the people on high will always ask people like us to do things like this again and again and again and again and again ad Infinitum.

And we'll do it and we'll do it for a very long time considering our lifespans... The "why" of it all does not matter because the answer is "yes" and it is done.

Believe me, once you have watched one world burn, you have already watched a thousand worlds burn, and once you have watched a thousand worlds burn, you'll have found that a million isn't really that much different, and eventually, you'll retire and maybe write a book about how guilty you felt no matter the fact of what you would say if you were asked:

"Would you do it again?"

-Hecate Raamia
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Hyidai
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Posts: 100
Founded: May 16, 2022
Democratic Socialists

Postby Hyidai » Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:41 am

Ulajhan wrote:"Wars in most societies aren't about honor or fun. Wars in most societies end with a boot upon the neck of the loser, death free and all around. Wars are often about making a few people more wealthy and a lot of people miserable.

So good for you that you found a happy medium where no one has to suffer."




"Never look away, Admiral."

"Ma'am?"

"When you give the order. Never look away."

"...May... May I speak freely?"

"Go on."

"Why? It... It hurts to watch... This is... wrong Ma'am. This... This is all wrong... All of it."

"It makes it easier over time Admiral. When the word comes down from on high and it will often, to burn this world, to reinstall this asshole or that asshole to their rightful shiny chair because it suits our needs, to sack this city or that city. It makes it easier to do it again and again and again and again, and believe me for as long as I have lived the people on high will always ask people like us to do things like this again and again and again and again and again ad Infinitum.

And we'll do it and we'll do it for a very long time considering our lifespans... The "why" of it all does not matter because the answer is "yes" and it is done.

Believe me, once you have watched one world burn, you have already watched a thousand worlds burn, and once you have watched a thousand worlds burn, you'll have found that a million isn't really that much different, and eventually, you'll retire and maybe write a book about how guilty you felt no matter the fact of what you would say if you were asked:

"Would you do it again?"

-Hecate Raamia


"Well damn. That hurts. That hits deep. It does get easier. Desensitization...."-William Sirel.
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"Believe me. I know what's best. Being a part of the reason why this country exists does that. Play nice with this dictator, make compromises with this girl, so on and so on. Don't question me. Even if I have to compliment the worst people in the world, I'll do it. And you're damn lucky you have the majority vote in the Hyidaian Council. You keep blocking my laws, and for what? The 'good of the people'? That's exactly what I'm doing! So sit back, relax, and let me do my thing. You'll thank me when hundreds of years into the future historians look back and say. 'Oh, that's been a great place to live for a while'. You will thank me."-William Sirel.
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Molossiania
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Posts: 13
Founded: Jul 20, 2018
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Molossiania » Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:14 pm

"The people may be dumb, but the people will learn, even if they still keep thinking that hot dogs for some reason should be banned, they will learn eventually that the policy they want implemented is bad for the nation and or dumb."
-Bukheil Dobrachuvie Gurbochiev


"A nation that wants to progress socially must be a democracy, for if social progress is imposed on the people and not democratically implemented, the people will associate the progress with authoritarianism and it will all be for nothing."
-Bukheil Dobrachuvie Gurbochiev

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Sherechia
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Posts: 184
Founded: Jan 22, 2020
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Sherechia » Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:35 am

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Inogo Estima:You're spitting facts right there. This is why I insist on maintaining democracy in my socialist country instead of doing the full Mao Zedong. Remember when Sosnogorsk (Soviets) implemented socialist governments in all those countries? Yeah now all of these places are staunchly anti-communist.

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Kaoma Haishi:World hunger is a logistic and economic issue, not a production issue. We have enough food to feed everyone, but not enough roads, railways, and ports to transport them and the neediest often can't afford it.
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Gothian Crimea
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Posts: 462
Founded: Sep 04, 2021
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Gothian Crimea » Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:28 pm


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Amalasuintha Siculo, princess of the Goths

"I say it IS a production issue. An issue of those foreign "people" not being able to feed themselves. Because they are clearly too useless to do such things. Why should I consider their failures to make sustenance our logistics issue, when we have no obligation to feed their wretches in the first place. as for the economic, that could be a part of their issue, but I wouldn't say it is its own thing, but rather a part of why production fails. They became socialist and no longer had economic incentive, or capitalists and were too poor to afford equipment etc."

- Amalasuintha Siculo, on whether logistics of production is too blame for hunger.




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Amalasuintha Siculo, princess of the Goths

"I hate it when people don't know their place. Slaves have no right to complain to their princess, certainly much less right to inault opnely, and I will have the solider execute any they find doing so. Without punishment they would feel free to run their mouths against me, but i think the men shall make them think twice about speaking up. Now, Frideric, I heard that old wench insult my nails, and in public. Remove her before she spreads her example to the rest of the slaves." *Kriissshhh* "Ahhh, much better, now that her incessant whining is forever silences."

- Amalasuintha Siculo, princess of the Goths, on those below dirt in her eyes.
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The United Federations of the Americas
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Posts: 3
Founded: Apr 07, 2022
Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby The United Federations of the Americas » Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:49 pm

I must say, I am quite impressed and a bit flustered at this.

I am an Emperor. I am what is considered to many, to be an nearly immortal god. I have concurred the Americas, dominated the African continent and occupy most of Asia. Yet even still, being in complete control of all this, all at my fingertips and what I do with it up to my whim, I still maintain my morals and keep it intact.

Much the same, my Empire is built on criticism. Without it, I wouldn't be able to serve them as they wish. And to my belief, my empire would've crumbled long ago without it. It's an important and key factor when running a civilization, because you need to know how to achieve willing compliance. It's cheaper and more effective. I must say, with criticism being silenced in your nation, I fear you have inadvertently weakened yourself. And with Empires like us, we must stick together, no?

Side note before I go on, I wouldn't mind meeting you on behalf of establishing positive diplomatic relations. Maybe even more...

To BN:

"Society is ruled by the wicked. Democracies are ruled with greed. Monarchies are ruled with honesty and integrity. What difference does it make that my government, is more authoritarian than you'd like it to be? If democracy is what you wish, then be my guest and look out the window. You'll see that it has ended under my authority. I guard this reality, as will I the next. I have sacrificed a lot getting here. I don't intend to give it up. Not because of my personal comfort, as others will lead you to believe, but because it is needed to prevent war. If we stand still, all alone, and created difference, what would that achieve? We would be fighting for thousands of years, as we did the last thousand. My empire brings a balance. Humanity shall no longer suffer from this under my authority. Humanity will no longer waste time on killing each other in war when there is progress to be made.

We are humanity at it's purest form. One of peace, love, and embracers of the unknown. This is the dream made reality. Humanity at it's Apex, forever.

Would you like to see it?"

- Emperor Rys Armstrong, addressing his former wife over concerns of governance.
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Estado Americano de Espana
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Posts: 5
Founded: Mar 22, 2021
Moralistic Democracy

Postby Estado Americano de Espana » Sat Jul 09, 2022 1:59 am

"Democracies are the centerpiece of freedom. The Military, Industry, and Welfare depend upon the people. Republicanism is more than an idea. The fact that someone like you would be willing to spit on the legacy of the United States in favor of an absolutist dictatorship is no better than tolerating 'corrupt and greedy democracies' you claim to be against. To attempt a myopic fallacy is to ignore the wrong-doings of the self and paint over the problem with 'both sides are bad' not realizing that even the lesser evil can change. A democracy can purge itself of corruption, and said corruption can be used against itself to lobby your interests first and foremost. A monarchy cannot do any of these things, for it relies on a geriatric old man stuck in his chair carved by emaciated children. God has willed the people's victories. God is the guiding force of Republicanism. You can't kill Republicanism, as God is on its side."

- President of the United States [1963-1977] Francisco Franco Bahamonde [†], ex-RADM and Hero of the Pacific.





"The United States is not a country. It is an idea. Hell, it might even be beyond an idea or a dream. The damn US is a sentient self-propagating disease that corrupts all who get exposed to it. No matter how many barriers you place over yourself. Whether it be 'sticking to tradition' or 'living in apathy' the United States still corrupts you from within. The only way to deal with the United States? Embrace it. The will of the United States won't hurt you if you don't try to reject it. But take this piece of advice; even if the United States doesn't exist in your world, the idea still does, just under a different name."

- Literary Author Michael Kerensky, being asked about the United States and its ideals.
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Gothian Crimea
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 462
Founded: Sep 04, 2021
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Gothian Crimea » Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:20 am


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Amalasuintha Siculo, princess of the Goths

"Oh look what we have here, a Mr. Hero gonna free the universe, it's practically laughable. Of course hierarchy exists, the peasants most certainly need to be kept in line, and much more so then the slaves. The very idea of one stepping out of line is repulsive, and measure to stop them must be extreme so as to set an example to all the others. I really doubt that you shall be as sueccessful as you seem to think you will be. But if you wish to seek out your own death I suppose there isn't much I can do to stop you from such."

- Amalasuintha Siculo, responding to isues of hierarchy and oppression.



"Many of our women seek to serve in the army. I've never really understood why they all are so eager to throw themselves away as their men do, and especially not sure why they sought to be included not just in volunteers, but also CONSIPRTIONS. Well, at least my status as the princess excempts me from the mandtatory service anyway, so it isnt too big of a deal for me in the end."

- Amalasuintha Siculo, on war-eager women.
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Red Lake Circle
Diplomat
 
Posts: 914
Founded: May 05, 2022
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Red Lake Circle » Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:18 am

"Oh, I'm sorry, was I meant to stay behind and cook or some shit while my countrymen were being slain by fascists and theocratic occupiers? Do I not have the same drives, the same sense of duty that men all-so-often do? Is it not even enough that I would want to seek equality with men, even taking on equal responsibility? Please, try and square your position as a leader in your head with this position of yours. If you don't even see your gender as fit to fight for their nation, what gives you the right to seek the responsibility of ruling it?"

"Theocracy is just a way of extending human rule without feeling the need to justify yourself. Instead of having to look your people in the eye and having to tell them exactly what you're doing and why, you can simply appeal to god. 'God wills it!' the theocrat says, as he strips away each liberty his citizens have gained. 'God wills it!' the theocrat says, as he declares a war that will kill millions of his god's children. 'God wills it!' the theocrat says, as he does things that would make his god turn away in shame. It's merely a shield for cowardly dictators to hide behind."
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Ulajhan
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Posts: 149
Founded: Mar 10, 2022
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Ulajhan » Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:04 pm

"Eh, it is one of the easier ways to get the people to lay down and stop asking stupid or uncomfortable questions you would prefer not to answer. Is it evil? probably, but it's not much different than really any other justification to enact violence. People will regularly commit crimes against humanity for money, freedom and democracy, moral dignity, and a million other things if you rile them up just right.

Honestly if the Gods take issue they may make their will known. If they won't then maybe they aren't all against that killing as you might think they are. Choosing to be Silent is just as much a condemnation as well as it is ascent."




"We considered building a fully automated robotic army once, but the proposition didn't even make it past the drawing board.

Why that is one simply needs to look at the list of the members of the security board and senate of the Confederacy specifically Representative Valargax-2, A11124C, and Brian. All of whom belong to a species of sentient and sapient mechanical life forms. In their eyes, the construction of such an army would be tantamount to slavery, and the Confederacy officially denounces the practice.

Just don't tell foreign affairs... or the several thousand sitting states that still practice slavery.

"Do as I say, not as I do"

Is an unofficial motto of the propaganda wing in the marketing department.

But that's intergalactic politics for you."

-Hecate Raamia
"In the City!tm, the voices in your head are likely real, but whether or not they are trying to steal your soul, help you through your day, or scam you are a coin toss. Just turn on closed captioning to check the script to be safe."
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"When one considers unaliving themselves, consider for a moment that what comes after may be worst than what came before!"

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The Great Basin Kingdom
Civilian
 
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Founded: Jun 30, 2022
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby The Great Basin Kingdom » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:00 am

Ulajhan wrote:"We considered building a fully automated robotic army once, but the proposition didn't even make it past the drawing board.

Why that is one simply needs to look at the list of the members of the security board and senate of the Confederacy specifically Representative Valargax-2, A11124C, and Brian. All of whom belong to a species of sentient and sapient mechanical life forms. In their eyes, the construction of such an army would be tantamount to slavery, and the Confederacy officially denounces the practice.

Just don't tell foreign affairs... or the several thousand sitting states that still practice slavery.

"Do as I say, not as I do"

Is an unofficial motto of the propaganda wing in the marketing department.

But that's intergalactic politics for you."

-Hecate Raamia

Caitlin Lacey Bankes Howe
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Journalist for the Rochester Daily Speaker

"There is much about your society's technology and culture that I cannot understand, but no matter how advanced your transports or weapons, you are barbarians if you tolerate slavery! Human property is an impossible contradiction, and men are that they might be equal! If your situation is precarious, I respect that, but tiptoeing around the slave power will get you nowhere. At least, it got my father's generation nowhere. All the abolitionist carefulness in the world couldn't stop the slavers from seceding because at the end of the day they tried to live a fiction in the real world, the fairytale that they could own human bodies without corrupting their souls."



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Elizabeth Rachel Sleet Ages Tanner
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Presidentess of the Great Basin

"We live in the prophesied age of the Gentiles—the unrighteous dominance of Europe over the world's peoples, who ought to be have peace and freedom! We may be a small kingdom, but we can yet be a little bit of leaven to transform the whole loaf. We are a light on a hill, a people who can set the example that there is a better way, a holier way: a way where we share our resources in community instead of trying to get gain over our neighbor for a bit of gold, where we respect the world's peoples instead of conquering them for a patch of dirt. So the Book says: God will 'save an afflicted people,' but His 'eyes are on the haughty to bring them down."
-The Aristarchic Theodemocracy of the Great Basin Kingdom-
-or; Mormons but they're fully manual austere queer desert communists-
-(and the Americans visiting them)-
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It is 1881, and America still dreams of its "manifest destiny" to rule the continent. The strange pilgrims claiming a kingdom in the Great Basin apparently have other ideas.

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The Aber
Envoy
 
Posts: 327
Founded: Dec 19, 2021
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby The Aber » Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:58 pm

"Madame President Tanner, freedom is an illusion. It's the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint. Restrains being chains, and we all are chained to something in some form. You to your country, and myself to mine, for example. This means many of us just simply can't give away free aid to our neighboring sovereign if we don't have prosperity and serenity in our own homes. Anyone we do share our resources with is our trusted allies, the rest have to earn our trust, and vice versa. Charity isn't something we can provide so easily otherwise, especially in these dark days, where nothing seems to be certain anymore. Not even tomorrow." - Admiraless Suyzahi "Suzy" D. F. dju Ghuliraluvojfrid'shmuzfryne



Leader Dialogue Under Spoiler

Between the years of September 1st to September 2nd, 1940, the 10th year anniversary of the start of the Second World War (in my timeline), a fleet of Aber submarines from the Ozikjalihn dju ulzhe Fjhuynirhihahke Ghuylizhaz (Navy of the Apostle Peter), the Aber navy, tailed a fleet of German destroyers of the German Kriegsmarine escorting a passenger liner. One of the submarines, the leader submarine the GNZv Sjzuifulahzenr (Sugar Rush), fired an experimental torpedo at the liner at an angle, right into the middle of the right hull wall. Containing some of the most volatile and destructive elemental concoctions from the Antarctic Circle, the torpedo basically blew the ship in half, much to the sadistic pleasure of Aber admiraless, Suyzahi "Suzy" Djuoipahrnke Fixysyva dju Ghuliraluvojfrid'shmuzfryne, sister of the deadly generaless, Dvilynolne "Divi" Krihnjiilr Sjauldigradz dju Ghuliraluvojfrid'shmuzfryne. The off-duty Vizeadmiral of the German escort fleet, Auberon Brandt, gets a telephone call, first from the captain of the German fleet concerning the sinking, then the more infamous call from Suzy taunting Brandt about the sinking, shown below, before ordering her own submarine fleet to finish off the rest of the German fleet with standard munitions. This would be one of the many events that mark the Aber's rather showy leaving of the Axis faction via sabotage and backstabbing, and from 1940 to the end of WWII on September 2nd, 1950 (in my timeline), the Aber became neutral. Blue is Suzy's dialogue, Red is Brandt's dialogue. Like all Aber, Suzy was taught to be monolingual, and her currently used language when interacting with the German Reich is, well, obviously German, so she speaks German in this dialogue.


"Also, möchte einer von euch Jungs aufgeben, oder würdet ihr es vorziehen, ein anderes eurer Passagierschiffe auf dem Grund des Ozeans zu haben? Denk darüber nach. Nimm dir Zeit. Ich werde warten."
(So, do any of you boys wanna surrender, or would you prefer having another one of your passenger liners at the bottom of the ocean. Think about it. Take your time. I'll wait.)

"Du verdammte Schlampe. Ich habe dem Führer gesagt, dass man Ihnen Aberianern nicht trauen kann. Was ist aus unserem Deal geworden?!"
(You fucking bitch. I told the Fuhrer that you Aber weren't to be trusted. What happened to our deal?!)

"Mein lieber Mann, unser Vertrag ist gestorben, als Ihre Versprechen es taten. Wir haben euch Dummköpfen ein ganzes Jahrzehnt gegeben, um unsere Wünsche zu erfüllen, aber ihr habt alles vermasselt."
(My dear man, our contract died when your promises did. We gave you dumbasses an entire decade to fulfill our requests, but you did fuck all.)

"Du kannst nicht--"
(You can't--)"

"Vielen Dank für die Antwort. Diese erbärmliche kleine Beleidigung sagt mir alles, was ich wissen wollte. Ich hoffe, die Weißen Haie mögen den Geschmack von deutschem Fleisch."
(Well, thank you for the answer. That pathetic little insult tells me everything I wanted to know. I hope the great white sharks like the taste of German flesh.)

"WAS!? NEIN--!"
(WHAT!? NO--!)

Hangs up.
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Reaper Squadron
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 2
Founded: Dec 14, 2020
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Reaper Squadron » Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:48 pm

<<Was this supposed to make me feel appreciation or admiration for you? Was this supposed to show you as being morally right? Because I see no reason at all to believe that you have a single shred of morality. You aren't any different to the monsters you killed. In fact, you make perfect bedmates with those psychopaths. You're just another disgusting maggot crawling around the pile of shit of tyranny. Look at your nation's history. Maiming, torturing, executing and desecrating tens of millions of people, citizens. You and your country should burn in hell for all eternity.>>



<<Koshka. Thank you. Thank you for everything you have done for me. Thank you for saving me. Even if I'm stuck here forever, trapped in this metal tomb... Even if you can't free me... T-thank you. You are the light in the darkness. You are my hopes and dreams. You and the rest of Reaper Squadron... You guys are like my family. I couldn't bare to watch you guys get hurt. Please... don't get yourselves killed... Please.>>

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Baizou
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 126
Founded: Jan 02, 2018
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Baizou » Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:22 pm

Reaper Squadron wrote:
<<Koshka. Thank you. Thank you for everything you have done for me. Thank you for saving me. Even if I'm stuck here forever, trapped in this metal tomb... Even if you can't free me... T-thank you. You are the light in the darkness. You are my hopes and dreams. You and the rest of Reaper Squadron... You guys are like my family. I couldn't bare to watch you guys get hurt. Please... don't get yourselves killed... Please.>>

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Ambassador Mizushima Miya
Party
: Marxist
"Oh, Alis... What can even be said after that? Alis's has already said all that could be. This expression of love, of worry, of care—in a handful of words, Alis has spoken a sermon, because the life giving voice those words, the soul and mind and experience standing behind those words—what Alis has experienced makes her expression of care for and trust in Reaper Squadron all the more powerful and precious.

"Reaper Squadron, you may not be able to hear me, trapped in your past as I am, but please—be there for Alis. Live for Alis. I am sure you realize—and if not, I hope you do soon—that there is a place for you besides the battlefield. The AOU may have trained you to die—but for Alis, you must learn instead how to live."



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Premier Fukushima Sonoko
Party
: Labor
"In Baizou's snarl of laws, procedure, and exceptions, the accidents of history mean our mostly-ceremonial Sovereign still retains some powers of governance. The power to break ties on certain votes. To recommend some magistrates for appointment. To call quorums in particular committees. These powers are themselves all conditional—usually only arising by coincidence. But. They exist.

"If I am trying to pass laws for the people—protecting rights, establishing freedoms, creating schools and healthcare and safety nets and more. If what I am trying to do is right—is it alright to call on the sovereign? No one voted for the sovereign. He is not really meaningfully accountable to anyone but public opinion. That we're friends is just luck on my part. He's un-democratic, a vestige of a monarchic past, an accident of colonization and history and war.

"But if it means the difference between the bill passing or failing—should I? Should I ask a favor from the sovereign? And if I don't—and we lose a victory that would have been in our grasp—how can I live with myself?"
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The Aber
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Founded: Dec 19, 2021
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby The Aber » Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:37 pm

Reaper Squadron wrote:
<<Was this supposed to make me feel appreciation or admiration for you? Was this supposed to show you as being morally right? Because I see no reason at all to believe that you have a single shred of morality. You aren't any different to the monsters you killed. In fact, you make perfect bedmates with those psychopaths. You're just another disgusting maggot crawling around the pile of shit of tyranny. Look at your nation's history. Maiming, torturing, executing and desecrating tens of millions of people, citizens. You and your country should burn in hell for all eternity.>>



"No, Koshka. Absolutely not. Mostly, this is a means of disproving the leftists' claims that we're fascists. It's illogical to be considered a Nazi when you've killed as many of them as you've killed Reds. Maiming, torturing, executing, and desecrating tens of millions of people, citizens -- we would never kill off our citizens for our own sadistic pleasure, or those of our allies -- a trait we and the German Reich don't share. Making your OWN people's lives a living Hell is the definition of tyranny, contrary to your smooth-brained belief. An enemy country's citizens, however? That's a different story. So, frankly, I really don't give a shit if you think we are immoral. You being from 'AOU' Russia, you're probably from another timeline or are just plain ignorant of how the Reds act, otherwise you'd know full-damn well why we made them suffer. But alas, I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall."


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Universal Commonwealth
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Universal Commonwealth » Sat Jul 16, 2022 5:09 pm

"I must admit, I am not a supporter of democracy, and do not put my faith in something so nebulous as the 'popular will' to make optimal decisions. Neither could I be accused of supporting monarchy, wherein a single individual is granted political authority by accident of birth. It is my philosophy, and indeed that of the Universal Commonwealth as a whole, dating back to before I was born, that political decisions should be made in order to bring social benefit. Any mechanism that can consistently make socially beneficial decisions is optimal for governance."

"Regarding your plight, Premier, I would counsel you to follow this example, to try and ensure social benefit. In essence, the ends justify the means. If you must circumvent the democratic process in order to do goof, calling on your sovereign, then you should do so. Results are what matter, your people will not thank you for standing back and doing nothing in the name of democracy."
~ General Secretary Asmar al-Hashem


"We find ourselves in trying times. Although the flame of the future burns as bright as it has always done, now more than ever it seems as if the entire world is bent on seeing it extinguished. Our enemies are manifold, and oppose us at every turn. To some, it may seem that the dream of our ancestors, the dream of a united, prosperous humanity, was only ever a fantasy. But we cannot relent now. The struggle goes on, and although it will inevitably be long and difficult, I have faith that truth, dignity and virtue will inevitably triumph over delusion, tyranny and barbarism. We are the vanguard of that triumph, and we shall never surrender!" ~ General Secretary Asmar al-Hashem, inaugural address.
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Estado Americano de Espana
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Founded: Mar 22, 2021
Moralistic Democracy

Postby Estado Americano de Espana » Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:22 pm

"The dream of united humanity without the semantics of racial or religious issues does sound appealing, but the fact that there are still people who fanatically oppose it and wish to see it gone is an unfortunate circumstance even here. All Americans can agree on one thing, and it's that they're still American. And they don't deny that, they're working towards another form of America, and I can respect their goals. However, there are some who don't see the truth, and are blind to progress. The goal of pursuing a dream of unity in the face of opposition is admirable, and one worthy of respect. It's earned mine, after all."

- President of the United States [1963-1977] Francisco Franco Bahamonde [†], ex-RADM and Hero of the Pacific.





"In defense of liberty, extremism is no vice, no, it is a necessity. And in the pursuit of justice, moderation is no virtue. The only way we can see peace in our time is to search and destroy all those who oppose freedom under the banner of tyranny. That is the objective of the American people. We are all American, and we know that. Our objective? Search and eliminate those who dare subvert the united peoples within America from the inside. Our methods? Extreme, but necessary use of extremism in defense of freedom. And unfortunately, there are times when we have to forsake our morals in favor of putting down a threat to liberty. Once, and for all."

- Democratic Party Member Barry Goldwater, holding a speech in defense of Franco's use of force in putting down 'insurrectionist' organizations
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Estado Americano de Espana
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Moralistic Democracy

Postby Estado Americano de Espana » Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:12 pm

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Ulajhan
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Ulajhan » Fri Jul 22, 2022 6:15 pm

"Ooooh, I love that mindset. A perfectly reasonable mindset. No possible drawbacks in the making, no loose ends or whatever that could possibly be written on the horizon. I am certain the government that will step out of the chaos will handily moderate all the factions together in a comprehensive and representative government of the people's will.

Nothing could go wrong, it's not like you've done this before and suffered the same consequences over and over again... right?"




"The point of international politics is ultimately to pursue "national interest".

But that gets mired in a list of different ways, what the politician believes they are pursuing is in the national interest, what the faction believes is pursuing national interest, what their god thinks is pursuing national interest, what the leader believes is pursuing the national interest, what the nation believes is pursuing national interest!

A million different factors are all tied to an individual nation's well-being on any stage bigger than outside its borders.

The chicanery and blindingly dumb antics that can take place in the name of "national interest" are often amusing to watch, but are also rather depressing in their reprecussions of their success, "success" and failure."

I sometimes find a good book and some warm milk helps to take the edge off."

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Democratic Socialists

Postby Feyrisshire » Fri Jul 22, 2022 11:18 pm

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"In light of the continued aggression of the social-fascist and the revisionist Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China under the capitalist roaders Leonid Brezhnev and Deng Xiaoping, we turn into the People's Democracies and the proletariat of the United States of America, Japan, South Korea, Republic of China and the Philippines for help!

Comrade Jimmy Carter, help us! You are my hope against Soviet and Chinese revisionist aggression! We are going to defend the legacy and way of Comrade Stalin and Mao!

Comrade Ferdinand Marcos and Comrade Imelda Marcos, I am glad that you are here! I kiss your hand!"
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Valentine Z
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Valentine Z » Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:55 am

Chief Aviator Gwen Tracer Hepburn “Fate of Existence and the Omniverse” Ellen Trixie Caitlin Foxworthy Avril Verlene Eveline Celinda Sammy Doris T-Rev Oxton Arielle Lindall Leslie Vitesse Allison: From what I have seen, along with looking at 1.398 trillion of your futures, that will not exactly be a very good outcomes, I will have to say. As bad as it may be, capitalism will help your country a little bit, so you have to let it ride. And THEN, you have to impose some restrictions, lest it became an uncontrolled monster. Before you ask - I am not aligned by any of the political parties, let alone an extremist. I am a master of Time and Space, something as trivial as politics no longer bothers me as much. Capitalism and Communism holds the same weight to me - nothing more, nothing less. All I am saying, of course, is that with my foresight and forecasting, and your own knowledge and expertise, you should be very aware of what happens if things get out of control.

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Chief Aviator Gwen Tracer Hepburn “Fate of Existence and the Omniverse” Ellen Trixie Caitlin Foxworthy Avril Verlene Eveline Celinda Sammy Doris T-Rev Oxton Arielle Lindall Leslie Vitesse Allison: Free fortune reading for you and your family, and your politics. I won't sweeten it up to you though! You come to ask me, there is a chance that I will see you prospering... or getting into a war... or having a violent death resulting in you being in a ditch somewhere, with an axe in the back of your head. I'm sorry it sounded violent but trust me, there are a lot of times when someone asked for their fortune, and I can see it as exactly as it is.
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The Great Basin Kingdom
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby The Great Basin Kingdom » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:19 pm

Valentine Z wrote:Chief Aviator Gwen Tracer Hepburn “Fate of Existence and the Omniverse” Ellen Trixie Caitlin Foxworthy Avril Verlene Eveline Celinda Sammy Doris T-Rev Oxton Arielle Lindall Leslie Vitesse Allison: Free fortune reading for you and your family, and your politics. I won't sweeten it up to you though! You come to ask me, there is a chance that I will see you prospering... or getting into a war... or having a violent death resulting in you being in a ditch somewhere, with an axe in the back of your head. I'm sorry it sounded violent but trust me, there are a lot of times when someone asked for their fortune, and I can see it as exactly as it is.

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"I suspect you do not mean ill, but I will have to decline. As Isaiah said, 'when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God?' My prophecies must come by my own supplication, not by your reading of fortunes. Perhaps your visions are accurate, like the Witch of Endor whom Saul spoke to, but accurate and right are not always the same. Sometimes the difference is not the message, but the messenger."

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"You know what? Let's hear it. I've seen it all, from prosperity to war. I was born in the Era of Good Feelings, became a man in the Mexican-American War, and became a good man in the Civil War. I fumbled Reconstruction, and then I brought it back from the dead. However it turns out, I want to know my Union's future. Does the dream of Lincoln and Douglass come true? Does the Union become more perfect? Or do the hypocrisies of Jefferson and Jackson win after all? If the latter, I may die a troubled man, but I will die knowing."



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"What good is it to interview a politician? They'll only tell you what they think you want to know, and then they'll deny what they said as soon as your back is turned. It's shiftless, lousy politicking like that which makes me worry about Grant. 'Let us have peace,' 'let us have peace.' It's like a mantra. But that's not a plan. That's not a policy. It's just something to mouth so I get busy writing about it while the Stalwarts do whatever they please."

(EDIT: Mixed up question and quote threads, so replaced a question with a quote.)
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Estado Americano de Espana
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Moralistic Democracy

Postby Estado Americano de Espana » Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:29 pm

"To say the least, the politicians of the world always fail, regardless of how big or small their promises are. They promise you a break in taxes? You get none and instead watch as they start to make their pockets bigger. Ask for a change in the military and they'll shrug and dig their head in the sand. What good is it to ask a politician of their skill and performance, when you know you'll just see 'em fail anyways?"

- President of the United States [1963-1977] Francisco Franco Bahamonde [†], ex-RADM and Hero of the Pacific.





"To ensure total progress on the road to ending despotism and inequality, it is necessary that we create an atmosphere of fear, and to snuff out those who disagree with progress and eliminate those who dare step out to challenge progress. It is given that the United States shall convey a feeling of unstoppability, and crush all the despots in their way. There should be no brakes on the road to progress, as the key to containing resistance is fear, and consequences of their actions."

- President of the United States [1963-1977] Francisco Franco Bahamonde [†], ex-RADM and Hero of the Pacific.
Welcome to America. New flag just dropped, anti-monarchism time.
Made to spite a certain Spaniard.
Fun fact: Franco in TTL likes battleships.
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"Un Estado, Múltiples Pueblos."
2021, all's right with the world in the US state of Spain, as men go about their business. No Carlist Wars, maybe?
TVE1: United States Navy to retire 2 more CVEs to the USFCG, USS United States and USS Cuba|Human trafficking ring 'The Crown' busted by Security and Assault Corps, up to 9 people killed and more arrested|Man in Toulouse cheered on for peeing on fascist 'memorial site' and throwing a molotov firebomb at it

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Red Lake Circle
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Red Lake Circle » Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:49 pm

"...alright, let's take you at your word here. Maybe this atmosphere of fear is necessary, as you say. Maybe anyone, regardless of how powerful they are, needs to be snuffed out if they speak in favor of an unequal world. Now here comes the tricky part - who defines progress? Who does the government consider a despot? Which inequalities are focused on and which ones are left by the wayside? Sure, maybe you, personally, believe you have all the right answers to these questions... but what if the next guy doesn't? What if he decides that, eh, maybe it's alright to ignore race equality while focusing on other issues, so let's not attempt to help the oppressed in what ways we can? Maybe he'll think that progress necessitates destroying the reforms you worked so hard to create, even when that removes freedom from your own citizens. Maybe he's in the pocket of a business from your nation, and thus everyone sitting on top of a resource appears a despot to him.

These things are not for anyone to decide about another country. Before you see fit to remove the speck from someone else's eye through violence, make certain there's nothing in yours. Does that sound impossible to you? Well then, perhaps it shouldn't be something you're concerned about."
~ Kiusareik Grimhild Roz

"The only advantage to punitive justice is that it feels good. It lets you feel righteous for inflicting pain. After all, the person you're doing it to is evil; they deserve it! But that doesn't actually solve any problems, does it? In all likelihood, they'll just return to what they were doing before, and get themselves sent back to prison. Unless, of course, you kill them, which is incredibly expensive and a deeply disproportionate response to the vast majority of crime. Rehabilitation, on the other hand, allows the criminal to re-enter normal society, given the tools they need to escape the things that drove them to crime in the first place. They do their time, then they get to go back and try again, this time with a better shot at doing it right."
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Nue Cascadia
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Anarchy

Postby Nue Cascadia » Tue Jul 26, 2022 12:17 am

"The only advantage to punitive justice is that it feels good. It lets you feel righteous for inflicting pain. After all, the person you're doing it to is evil; they deserve it! But that doesn't actually solve any problems, does it? In all likelihood, they'll just return to what they were doing before, and get themselves sent back to prison. Unless, of course, you kill them, which is incredibly expensive and a deeply disproportionate response to the vast majority of crime. Rehabilitation, on the other hand, allows the criminal to re-enter normal society, given the tools they need to escape the things that drove them to crime in the first place. They do their time, then they get to go back and try again, this time with a better shot at doing it right."


Nathan Connors:

The Punitive Justice system, please. When you give the government the power to hold the monopoly against violence, you make them oppress you.

Why anyone would willingly give their own liberty up for a much more expensive and repulsive means distributing justice is beyond me. I'm going to be the first to say it.

That's insane as much as it is idiotic.



To BN:

"For those at top, they shall fear when their support is removed. This war we fight, one of us against the state, is us reclaiming our spot in this scarred place we called the United States. But these last few years have taught us that these United States, must be united, not as a nation, but as an alliance against government power and control. These few years have erupted this revolutionary spirit that has been missing since our wars with the British Isles across the Atlantic, and with the actions took from a government that claims to represent us, we shall know that these people will take our rightful place back: As citizens of a free nation United under Liberty, Prosperity, Solidarity and the Guide of Washington's Hand leading us through these dark times. For those at the top, we shall remove these supports to which hold this fragile empire up. No longer shall we stand still alone, supporting this collapsing regime of the few by our backs and fruits of our labor! No longer shall we be divided and hunted by a government that has lost all interest in preserving liberty for the individual.

No Longer, shall we see the 2 party duopoly control us while we suffer and they prosper. No longer shall they take our property, and no longer shall they take our future.

The Democrats. The Republicans. The New Right. They shall know what it feels like to be treaded upon

They Will Know, that the right that tried so hard in protecting the civil liberties of America has returned.

They Will Know that the Old Right, defender of the liberty and individualism, The group that housed Washington before us and the people after, Shall Remain.

We, The Right of America.

Despite this governments attempts to oppress us and make us forget the values we stand for as Americans. Despite us being what may seem lost to the history books...

WE SHALL REMAIN!"


- Nathan Connors, speaking the independence speech of the Federal Separatist Republic of Cascadia, and the declaration of war against the United States, with 7 of the other republics joining alongside with.
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