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Kiu Ghesik
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Founded: Aug 25, 2020
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:15 pm

Valentine Z wrote:AN: Did you have any ideas of concepts that you wanted to work on, but abandoned it because it either didn't work, or just something else entirely? Were there early concepts on how or what Kiu Ghesik might be like?

When I get around to reworking OA in its factbooks I've got a mafia-style puppet planned. And I've also got an idea for a puppet that's just a public pool, but I doubt I'll ever make it, as I think M22 already pushes the concept of what a nation might be far enough, and I don't think I'd ever stay engaged with it if I went any further. Even if it would be kind of funny for a bit. I do have an off-NS project that I'll never share here as well, largely because it's a) too big and b) too raw for me to do so.


Other than that, no. KG itself also hasn't changed that much since my early concepts because there wasn't much of one- there was just "Bronze Age nomads with a vaguely Scythian / Turkic bent". Everything else I've come up with as I've gone along. In fact the same is true for every nation I've made. I generally start with a teeny little concept with lots of wiggle-room to work with and extrapolate from there. For instance, CBG started out as "AI battleships because NUN did that once and it was cool, also I guess I'll format this one a bit more, I suppose." And now (at least on paper, not yet on site) it's turned into the literal post-collapse Burgsys path for M22's broader canon.

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✵ A newly-birthed confederation of insular nomadic clansmen struggling to remain a local great power in the face of their expanding foes. May or may not be united by worship of an eldritch mother-goddess. Now with extra align=center!

✵ ooc: i dont exist
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Gankands
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Founded: Aug 28, 2020
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Postby Gankands » Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:10 pm

Aeritai wrote:How did you make your political symbols? They look pretty good!

EDIT: To answer your question Eisenstern, I don't know why made my map like that I just wanted to draw a random continent with a few islands.


I create my political symbols a variety of ways. It depends on what I want in the flag.

Starting with a flag like mine, everything I need to create the flag is available on this website: https://andrewsarnold.github.io/FlagMaker-Jr/

If everything I need wasn't on the site or would be too complicated on that site, I would probably do what I can with the simple interface of the website. Then, when I have completed that, I would turn to software such as Photoshop or GIMP for the items I don't have. (Photoshop is subscription but better than GIMP. GIMP, however, is free and just requires more patience.)

My flag is an example of something that can be created on the website.
My first primary banner is below. It required the use of software because it was too complicated.

https://ibb.co/4Fd3Pmq

Yes, it was intentionally off-center to prevent my flag from covering the center. (I overestimated the flag size when it covers banners.)

Right now, since I changed the color scheme, I am working on a primary banner even more complicated. I will use the website to get the basic tricolor pattern or whatever pattern I wish then use software.

Why work hard to create good images when one can work smarter like with the above process and get more done?

One piece of advice I have when creating the political symbols is symbolism. Always have every image on the flag or banner mean something, whether it is the color of certain things, the location of those things, what items are even there. Once you start with the symbolism, now act like your promoting what the symbols stand for. As my nation is a monarchy, I want the crown to be center. I used the stripes to force people who normally look at the edge of an image to draw their attention to the center. The weird star in the center is a seemingly complicated (read impressive) item. On this seemingly complicated item is a crown. If you interpret that the way I mean it, then you now know why there exist the star and the stripes in the center of the flag.

/SKIP
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Khoronzon
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Postby Khoronzon » Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:13 pm

Zaviana wrote:W-why is your entire nation a meme? Heck, the banner's a meme!

At what point, if ever, do you intend to stop doing population milestone factbooks? Do you have anything special planned for 500 million and 1 billion?

BN: Honestly I don't know, my worldbuilding process isn't really much more sophisticated than "this idea I just got seems cool, I'll throw it in somewhere". It just kind of happened. Literary inspirations are sometimes a factor, but I read just slightly more than the average caveman so it's not that much of a thing either. Not a particularly interesting answer, I know, but it is what it is.
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Kiu Ghesik
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:16 pm

Yo, how do you pull off that feeling of existential dread so effectively like you do? I've been trying to nail it in some other projects and IMO I'm either ineffective or too edgy.
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✵ A newly-birthed confederation of insular nomadic clansmen struggling to remain a local great power in the face of their expanding foes. May or may not be united by worship of an eldritch mother-goddess. Now with extra align=center!

✵ ooc: i dont exist
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Asihiya
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Founded: Nov 17, 2019
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Postby Asihiya » Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:33 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:Yo, how do you pull off that feeling of existential dread so effectively like you do? I've been trying to nail it in some other projects and IMO I'm either ineffective or too edgy.

1. Just like, how do you get your formatting so good? I mean, even already, CBG's formatting is amazing, and I have no idea how you do it.
2. Do you have any plans for another Far-PT nation, like Kiu Ghesik?
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Kiu Ghesik
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:44 pm

Asihiya wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:Yo, how do you pull off that feeling of existential dread so effectively like you do? I've been trying to nail it in some other projects and IMO I'm either ineffective or too edgy.

1. Just like, how do you get your formatting so good? I mean, even already, CBG's formatting is amazing, and I have no idea how you do it.
2. Do you have any plans for another Far-PT nation, like Kiu Ghesik?

1. My Three-Step Plan to Git Gud at Formatting, Summarized:

  1. Look at Synne and Yegla's factbooks' raw codes
  2. Obsess over them until you understand how they work
  3. Ascend to divinity and finally comprehend why background-blocks require [center] tags to close properly 90% of the time

I'm still working on that last one. In essence, I've just pushed myself to get better at formatting with each successive nation and made a conscious choice to try out new stuff until it works. And a lot of that is looking at people better than me, seeing what they do right, and putting my own twist on it.

2. Well, the Berghi, the Alechi, and the trading-peoples, but they're not going to be their own nations. Their factbooks are all going to be within KG's organizational structure. Might make them their own hub.

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✵ ooc: i dont exist
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Aeritai
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Postby Aeritai » Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:31 pm

Asihiya wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:Yo, how do you pull off that feeling of existential dread so effectively like you do? I've been trying to nail it in some other projects and IMO I'm either ineffective or too edgy.

1. Just like, how do you get your formatting so good? I mean, even already, CBG's formatting is amazing, and I have no idea how you do it.
2. Do you have any plans for another Far-PT nation, like Kiu Ghesik?


So what do the stick figures on your flag represent?
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Zaviana
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Postby Zaviana » Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:35 pm

Why is your prime minister an anime character?
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Frajland
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Founded: Jul 05, 2019
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Postby Frajland » Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:38 pm

Zaviana wrote:Why is your prime minister an anime character?


Why does your flag look like the Philippines?
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Hamatu
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Founded: Oct 02, 2019
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Postby Hamatu » Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:42 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Asihiya wrote:1. Just like, how do you get your formatting so good? I mean, even already, CBG's formatting is amazing, and I have no idea how you do it.
2. Do you have any plans for another Far-PT nation, like Kiu Ghesik?


So what do the stick figures on your flag represent?

They represent the dead gods of the Asirni- specifically the twin deities of love, who were said to be made from each other-, who were killed by the elves a pretty long time ago. Officially, they're there to represent the long and distinguished history of cooperation between elves and the Asirni. However, the real reason- a conspiracy, as always- is that the elves like showing off to the world how their holy ancestors were god-killers. Farther down the rabbit-hole, there's also the fact that it was drawn by a mind flayer's child, and they kinda forced both the elves and the Asirni to put it on.

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Subhurbia
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Founded: Dec 02, 2016
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Postby Subhurbia » Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:07 am

The Giant Space Wyrm wrote:"Do you keep track of the number of people that have confused the name of your nation with "Suburbia" at all? If so how many?"

-OOC


No, but there were a few who did, at first alot assumed "Suburbia" which prompted me to put that in my signature.


Frajland wrote:
Zaviana wrote:Why is your prime minister an anime character?


Why does your flag look like the Philippines?


So any cultural differences from RL Scandinavia?
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New Wolvers
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Founded: Mar 26, 2018
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Postby New Wolvers » Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:12 am

Where did you get inspirations for the various flag? And where does the name Subhurbia comes from?
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Khoronzon
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Founded: Jul 31, 2019
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Postby Khoronzon » Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:20 am

Given that you and your leader share a pen name, is Romagnoli supposed to be a self-insert, or is that just a similarity that happened to be added in? Is there any particular reasoning behind the name?

BN:
  • 1. Honestly I'm not sure, it varies a lot from time to time. For the past two days or so I've been having the most fun writing about infantry types, though some other days I'll feel like describing a new nation within the setting, sometimes I'll prefer writing about what people's social lives are like, sometimes I'll have more fun adding a new paragraph or two to Evehxhas' bio, and so on. It's very sporadic and inconsistent. I guess the one thing that I do fairly consistently enjoy writing about more than other things is culture, as broad of a concept as that may be - I think it really helps bring my nation to life, in a sense, a lot more than things like its political system or military equipment, even though I do make an effort to preserve and feed into my general "atmosphere" when writing those as well.
  • 2. It depends. If I like them, I'll usually go for more niche stuff, and if I don't, I'll skim through the overview and maybe a bit of history and political information. Then again, usually when I don't particularly like someone's nation they don't have much more than that anyway.
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The world is no longer as it once was, moulded beyond recognition by the hands of its coming masters. Humanity is faced with a simple choice: evolve, or die.

△▽△
[all lore is under reconstruction]
▽△▽
ooc: they/them/girl/boss - notorious wumao - blowfly creature
flag homies: the celestial shurayu republic and uij, checkem out they're v based
all rise for the national anthem

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New Wolvers
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Postby New Wolvers » Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:05 am

Khoronzon wrote:Given that you and your leader share a pen name, is Romagnoli supposed to be a self-insert, or is that just a similarity that happened to be added in? Is there any particular reasoning behind the name?

Shameless self-insert, ngl.
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Postby Valentine Z » Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:56 am

Khoronzon wrote:Given that you and your leader share a pen name, is Romagnoli supposed to be a self-insert, or is that just a similarity that happened to be added in? Is there any particular reasoning behind the name?

- What part of your world is the one that you like building the most? Was it writing about the leader? The setting/city? The military? Or some other bits?
- When you read someone's factbooks, do you usually go for the typical sections (Overviews, leaders, history), or do you like looking at unique or niche categories (like trivia, their culture in full detail, etc)?
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Postby Quarvian Stellar Union » Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:40 am

Are you still a student? What was the hardest part of your studies (so far if applicable)
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Eisenstern
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Postby Eisenstern » Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:42 am

Any plans for actually developing your IC language into a working conlang?
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‖♜‖ Seekers roam the seas of night ‖♜‖

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Kiu Ghesik
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:47 am

Did you run an RP at some point related to this factbook? The fact other nations were involved seems to suggest so.
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✵ A newly-birthed confederation of insular nomadic clansmen struggling to remain a local great power in the face of their expanding foes. May or may not be united by worship of an eldritch mother-goddess. Now with extra align=center!

✵ ooc: i dont exist
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Postby Eisenstern » Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:50 am

Kiu Ghesik wrote:Did you run an RP at some point related to this factbook? The fact other nations were involved seems to suggest so.


Nope. Typically I'd just ask people over TG or discord if I could use some of their canons to write up characters - most of them were folks I knew decently well, but some I poked just because their settings were interesting. Other times it was reversed - that is, people approached me and asked if I could write a character in based on their stuff. I haven't really messed around with any of that for a while (in fact, I haven't done anything much with this nation in a while), but maybe I'll get more motivation at some point.

/skip
‖♜‖ 'Twixt the darkness, and the light ‖♜‖
‖♜‖ Seekers roam the seas of night ‖♜‖

A mercantile city state, housed in a dimension-hopping tower that's bigger on the inside.
Ruled by a meritocratic adventurers' council (in theory) and a democratically-elected municipal body (in practice).
Punches far above its apparent weight via an unending golem army and a schizotech clique of superhuman mercenaries.
NS stats are for those with no imagination.
[EXTREMELY WIP]

The not-so-short rundown [outdated] || The leaders [unfinished] || The military [outdated and unfinished] || Some choice information [soup]

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Azur Deutschland
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Postby Azur Deutschland » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:15 pm

Kiu, any news on the Palisade front? Like future plans and ideas for expanding? I think I recall seeing that the scope of that puppet was getting bigger. If you want to keep your plans a secret, that's fine too.
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:15 pm

Do you have any låmps, brøther?
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Postby Azur Deutschland » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:18 pm

Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:Do you have any låmps, brøther?

Only one.

/skipme
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Postby Las Palmeras » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:25 pm

Would Alastair clone himself thousands of times to lick more foreign leaders or would he revive Shakespeare instead if he had the powers to do so?
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:27 pm

If Las Palmeras is TSR's fictional alt-universe, then does that mean that it's conceivable that at some point someone in LP's universe will come up with TSR as a fictional alt-universe, thus leading to Spanish-Catgirlception?
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✵ A newly-birthed confederation of insular nomadic clansmen struggling to remain a local great power in the face of their expanding foes. May or may not be united by worship of an eldritch mother-goddess. Now with extra align=center!

✵ ooc: i dont exist
She's loyal, smol, ready to rol. Big big bowl, full of rol. Smol rol, big bowl. Cinny rol, big bowl, smol rol.


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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:30 pm

Las Palmeras wrote:Would Alastair clone himself thousands of times to lick more foreign leaders or would he revive Shakespeare instead if he had the powers to do so?

WHY NOT BOTH.
He could get his clones to revive Billy Shakes.
/Skip
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