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NS Cliches: Rebooted

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:18 am
by Aeritai
Hello everyone and welcome to NS Cliches: Rebooted, in this thread we will be talking about the various cliches that appear in F7. Do note this is not a AN/AL game, it's just a fun little discussion to talk about all the various cliches that we have encountered in the F7 threads.

I don't know many cliches in F7 due to me going on and off the forum, but hopefully with this new nation that I have I hope to learn about cliches and try avoiding them in the near future.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:22 am
by Outer Acharet
[cringepost removed]

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:23 am
by Catsfern
Space empires are a really common one, as well as alternate histories for Germany.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:31 am
by Aeritai
Outer Acharet wrote:I'm going to mention the most obvious one.

Neko commies.


Neko commies are a thing?

Catsfern wrote:Space empires are a really common one, as well as alternate histories for Germany.


FT nations are pretty common in F7 from what I seen.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:34 am
by New Carthagea
Second Reich Reboots

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:36 am
by Zandilund
Outer Acharet wrote:I'm going to mention the most obvious one.

Neko commies.


Well, they are somewhat common. I haven't seen enough of them to call them "common".




Space empires are pretty common, and I've seen quite a few alternate German histories too.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:42 am
by Silver Commonwealth
Catsfern wrote:Space empires are a really common one, as well as alternate histories for Germany.

Khm, an entity which is limited to Solar System as it can't overextend any more (And even then relying a lot on local governance due ofthe vast distances in space) probably wouldn't fall in that category, right?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:43 am
by Outer Acharet
Aeritai wrote:
Outer Acharet wrote:I'm going to mention the most obvious one.

Neko commies.


Neko commies are a thing?

Catsfern wrote:Space empires are a really common one, as well as alternate histories for Germany.


FT nations are pretty common in F7 from what I seen.

It's not a bad thing- Feyrisshire, for instance, does it incredibly well- but for some reason, when you combine a user who's left-leaning, maybe socdem or socialist, a desire to make a nation matching one's views, and a love of anime, three things that are quite common here, you generally get a communist or socialist nation with an aside or as a major component of their lore that "oh haha btw we have catgirls in our communist utopia". I just find it interesting that it pops up so often.

To clarify, Feyris is not necessarily in that category mentioned. I just used their nation as an example of a nation like that.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:47 am
by Wexas
Here's a cliche that's more of a general thing but is very common on NS. Applying Modern sensibilities to an FT nation.

This especially applies to political-wank or power-wank FT nations. I personally have my doubts that a nation 3000 years into the future would even consider our modern problems to be, well, problems. A future sci-fi god-emperor would most likely not make Trans Rights or, for a less extreme example, the legality of crocs and socks one of their main priorities or political positions during a time period as distant from us as we are distant to the Babylonians. Of course, any society will have overarching issues that all societies have shared such as gender equality, the rights of those not apart of the ruling majority (racism, tribalism, specisim in the possible future, whatever you wanna call it), but I find it kind of bland to see so many FT or even FFT nations still focusing on problems Modern humans face today when that is highly unlikely

This applies to Gods and/or Eldrich beings on NS as well. Because clearly some immortal war deity who wishes to bring about the destruction of the universe cares so much about the Communism vs Capitalism debate or the rights of homosexuals.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:50 am
by The Cosmic Mainframe
Wexas wrote:Here's a cliche that's more of a general thing but is very common on NS. Applying Modern sensibilities to an FT nation.

This especially applies to political-wank or power-wank FT nations. I personally have my doubts that a nation 3000 years into the future would even consider our modern problems to be, well, problems. A future sci-fi god-emperor would most likely not make Trans Rights or, for a less extreme example, the legality of crocs and socks one of their main priorities or political positions during a time period as distant from us as we are distant to the Babylonians. Of course, any society will have overarching issues that all societies have shared such as gender equality, the rights of those not apart of the ruling majority (racism, tribalism, specisim in the possible future, whatever you wanna call it), but I find it kind of bland to see so many FT or even FFT nations still focusing on problems Modern humans face today when that is highly unlikely

This applies to Gods and/or Eldrich beings on NS as well. Because clearly some immortal war deity who wishes to bring about the destruction of the universe cares so much about the Communism vs Capitalism debate or the rights of homosexuals.

For my FT nation, the society is (supposed to be) at a level of advancement at which today's problems are irrelevant - everyone already agrees on the solution. But modern issues keep coming up in roleplay, so I can't completely ignore them.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:52 am
by Wexas
The Cosmic Mainframe wrote:
Wexas wrote:Here's a cliche that's more of a general thing but is very common on NS. Applying Modern sensibilities to an FT nation.

This especially applies to political-wank or power-wank FT nations. I personally have my doubts that a nation 3000 years into the future would even consider our modern problems to be, well, problems. A future sci-fi god-emperor would most likely not make Trans Rights or, for a less extreme example, the legality of crocs and socks one of their main priorities or political positions during a time period as distant from us as we are distant to the Babylonians. Of course, any society will have overarching issues that all societies have shared such as gender equality, the rights of those not apart of the ruling majority (racism, tribalism, specisim in the possible future, whatever you wanna call it), but I find it kind of bland to see so many FT or even FFT nations still focusing on problems Modern humans face today when that is highly unlikely

This applies to Gods and/or Eldrich beings on NS as well. Because clearly some immortal war deity who wishes to bring about the destruction of the universe cares so much about the Communism vs Capitalism debate or the rights of homosexuals.

For my FT nation, the society is (supposed to be) at a level of advancement at which today's problems are irrelevant - everyone already agrees on the solution. But modern issues keep coming up in roleplay, so I can't completely ignore them.

That's not your fault then in my opinion, it just means you have to bring them up for the sake of RP, which is fine. I was talking more in terms of worldbuilding.

Of course, this is all imo, I don't know what the future will bring. Perhaps the Pineapple Pizza civil war will break out in 2673

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:53 am
by Catsfern
Silver Commonwealth wrote:
Catsfern wrote:Space empires are a really common one, as well as alternate histories for Germany.

Khm, an entity which is limited to Solar System as it can't overextend any more (And even then relying a lot on local governance due ofthe vast distances in space) probably wouldn't fall in that category, right?


I think claiming control over an entire solar system would fit you soundly in the space empire category.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:41 am
by Kashimura
Outer Acharet wrote:I'm going to mention the most obvious one.

Neko commies.

I think that's actually an overlap between two more popular cliches:
Catpeople Nations
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Fictional Universe, but Communism

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:43 am
by Moltr
Communism by people who don't know what communism is.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:48 am
by Minskiev
Germany, space nations, space Germanys, Neko commies, psychotic dictatorships, politically isolated monarchies (to a lesser extent), What If Germany, What If Russia, haha meme, and...I’ll sprinkle in a few Islamic nations. Not too cliche, but there’s like 3 communist Muslim nations I can recall, a few dynastic monarchist Islamic nations (although like duh), and that’s around it.

And mind you, a nation that does what they are well can still be cliche, and a nation that is cliche can still be a very well done nation, it’s just that what they are is common.

Oh, and I gotta throw in monarchist Switzerlands. Too many.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:52 am
by Outer Acharet
Minskiev wrote:Germany, space nations, space Germanys, Neko commies, psychotic dictatorships, politically isolated monarchies (to a lesser extent), What If Germany, What If Russia, haha meme, and...I’ll sprinkle in a few Islamic nations. Not too cliche, but there’s like 3 communist Muslim nations I can recall, a few dynastic monarchist Islamic nations (although like duh), and that’s around it.

But... your two nations are a What If Russia and a haha funny meme nation! No, you can't be self-aware! That's illegal!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:54 am
by Wexas
Outer Acharet wrote:
Minskiev wrote:Germany, space nations, space Germanys, Neko commies, psychotic dictatorships, politically isolated monarchies (to a lesser extent), What If Germany, What If Russia, haha meme, and...I’ll sprinkle in a few Islamic nations. Not too cliche, but there’s like 3 communist Muslim nations I can recall, a few dynastic monarchist Islamic nations (although like duh), and that’s around it.

But... your two nations are a What If Russia and a haha funny meme nation! No, you can't be self-aware! That's illegal!

Nations in America, Monarchist Nations, and American Monarchist nations are pretty cliche as well.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:55 am
by Outer Acharet
Wexas wrote:
Outer Acharet wrote:But... your two nations are a What If Russia and a haha funny meme nation! No, you can't be self-aware! That's illegal!

Nations in America, Monarchist Nations, and American Monarchist nations are pretty cliche as well.

Fuck, now there's two of them!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:56 am
by Minskiev
Wexas wrote:
Outer Acharet wrote:But... your two nations are a What If Russia and a haha funny meme nation! No, you can't be self-aware! That's illegal!

Nations in America, Monarchist Nations, and American Monarchist nations are pretty cliche as well.


Says the American monarchist, smh my head.

And I’ll admit my Caliphate is pretty cliche, but it’s supposed to be a sort of serious joke. But What If Russia’s are mostly for like 1700-2000.

Woohoo, 859 views! Alright, the fanfic should be on F7, yes?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:21 pm
by Western Fardelshufflestein
  • Benevolent (or not) immortal multiversal leaders that have been alive for eons. (All with great users and diverse concepts; it is something I have not personally encountered in fiction beyond actual deities and thus stands out to me.)
  • Leaders who are...too perfect, I guess?
  • Nations with no explicit stance on whether or not they are Kenneth Branagh

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:23 pm
by Prorescia
Socialist or Social Democratic nations that are hyper left wing and also super peaceful unless if you disagree with them on a political opinion at which time they become demons bent on the destruction of whatever nation opposes them. I have seen so many nations like this.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:28 pm
by Aeritai
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
  • Benevolent (or not) immortal multiversal leaders that have been alive for eons. (All with great users and diverse concepts; it is something I have not personally encountered in fiction beyond actual deities and thus stands out to me.)
  • Leaders who are...too perfect, I guess?
  • Nations with no explicit stance on whether or not they are Kenneth Branagh


Yeah leaders who are too perfect seems unrealistic and that's coming from someone who's leader is perfect. I plan on changing that though by putting a criticism section on her factbook page the trouble is I need to come up with valid criticisms.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:32 pm
by Tea Chuggers
Nations where it's super obvious their leader is just them with Groucho glasses and a pseudonym [cough hack] playing out their power fantasy. Or, fantasy monsters that need to be exterminated post haste, do try to report them as soon as possible as they're quite dangerous, we'll take care of it while also stripping you of your rights to everything.

Outer Acharet wrote:I'm going to mention the most obvious one.

Neko commies.

Prorescia wrote:Socialist or Social Democratic nations that are hyper left wing and also super peaceful unless if you disagree with them on a political opinion at which time they become demons bent on the destruction of whatever nation opposes them. I have seen so many nations like this.

Moltr wrote:Communism by people who don't know what communism is.

These three go hand in hand. I've never seen a communist nation here that actually is communist, it's always the transitional state before communism... and a pretty poor one at that, given how far they stray from Marx's ideology. I guess it's not that much of a surprise since us in the Anglophone world generally refer to those transitional states (e.g. Vietnam, Venezuela) as "communist" when they're really just aspirational.
Combine it with anime catgirls and you just get something where it's incredibly obvious they're not actual communists, they're just doing it so they're popular on the Internet. I was kinda shocked when, say, zalgo text here sold out communism for Wolven girls but in hindsight it makes sense; if the communists here were really communists their nations would be radically different to how they actually are. I'm not entirely surprised; back when I was in the Accursed Farms discord server, I was the only one out of the whole server to have read the Communist Manifesto despite being the only one there not to be either socialist or communist. Now, I'm sure others have read it, but they didn't pipe up during that conversation where I dropped the 10 Commandments for Commie Commanders on them.
And for some reason if you disagree you're literally Hitler, only too stupid to find your own hands. And must be a man because no woman would be so stupid as to not be a leftist, because all women are exactly the same and have no subtlety or variation to them at all.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:24 pm
by Aikoland
It's not super common anymore, but remember when there used to be like 50 million 'Germany but the Nazis won' nations out there?

Back in the days when you were able to RP as Nazis without people assuming those were your RL views cuz RL Nazis on NS were basically just summer trolls and attempted raids from places like Stormfront.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:28 pm
by Kathol Rift
Tea Chuggers wrote:
Nations where it's super obvious their leader is just them with Groucho glasses and a pseudonym [cough hack] playing out their power fantasy. Or, fantasy monsters that need to be exterminated post haste, do try to report them as soon as possible as they're quite dangerous, we'll take care of it while also stripping you of your rights to everything.

Outer Acharet wrote:I'm going to mention the most obvious one.

Neko commies.

Prorescia wrote:Socialist or Social Democratic nations that are hyper left wing and also super peaceful unless if you disagree with them on a political opinion at which time they become demons bent on the destruction of whatever nation opposes them. I have seen so many nations like this.

Moltr wrote:Communism by people who don't know what communism is.

These three go hand in hand. I've never seen a communist nation here that actually is communist, it's always the transitional state before communism... and a pretty poor one at that, given how far they stray from Marx's ideology. I guess it's not that much of a surprise since us in the Anglophone world generally refer to those transitional states (e.g. Vietnam, Venezuela) as "communist" when they're really just aspirational.
Combine it with anime catgirls and you just get something where it's incredibly obvious they're not actual communists, they're just doing it so they're popular on the Internet. I was kinda shocked when, say, zalgo text here sold out communism for Wolven girls but in hindsight it makes sense; if the communists here were really communists their nations would be radically different to how they actually are. I'm not entirely surprised; back when I was in the Accursed Farms discord server, I was the only one out of the whole server to have read the Communist Manifesto despite being the only one there not to be either socialist or communist. Now, I'm sure others have read it, but they didn't pipe up during that conversation where I dropped the 10 Commandments for Commie Commanders on them.
And for some reason if you disagree you're literally Hitler, only too stupid to find your own hands. And must be a man because no woman would be so stupid as to not be a leftist, because all women are exactly the same and have no subtlety or variation to them at all.

I fully agree. I’ve met exactly one actually communist nation, and they are a person that believes in
communism IRL and has done tons and tons of research on the subject. They probably get more annoyed about this cliche than anyone else I’ve seen on this site.

And yeah, the easily triggered nations. That’s another cliche.