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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:18 pm
by New Carthagea
Khoronzon wrote:
New Carthagea wrote:Yes ! I've been here for a long time, and one of the most interesting things in this game is adjusting your NS stats by solving issues ! Sure, you can make some adjustments to it, but completely disregarding them sickens me.

The main problem with NS stats, aside from the obvious question of whether you actually want to commit to building up your gameside nation on top of written worldbuilding (though admittedly it isn't much of a commitment given issue frequency, but that depends on how many puppets you're trying to manage and how much you care to analyse options), is that they don't always make sense in context. If you're an MT/PMT nation-state or similar polity, they mostly work, but the further removed your nation is from a relatively standard country, the more problems NS stats start to have in terms of lining up with its actual canon.

That being said, I do answer issues somewhat actively on all the puppets I care to maintain, even when applying them to their lore doesn't make much sense. Boredom and force of habit, I suppose.


I agree.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:11 pm
by Valentine Z
Ohhh the thing that I hate the most regarding the NS Stats - I can't get all the sweet Industries with good environment.

Maybe I am not just trying hard enough! :P

Image

PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:39 pm
by Zitravgrad
Valentine Z wrote:Ohhh the thing that I hate the most regarding the NS Stats - I can't get all the sweet Industries with good environment.

Maybe I am not just trying hard enough! :P


I just want more trout fishing industry. :(

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:10 am
by Tea Chuggers
I've been toying around with the idea of making non-cliché FT spacefaring and Actually Communist™ nations on puppets I set up and then promptly forgot about, how would that sound? I'm kinda getting burnt out on NS for this round but I might be able to drag myself, if kicking and screaming, to complete the two.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:38 am
by New Carthagea
Tea Chuggers wrote:I've been toying around with the idea of making non-cliché FT spacefaring and Actually Communist™ nations on puppets I set up and then promptly forgot about, how would that sound? I'm kinda getting burnt out on NS for this round but I might be able to drag myself, if kicking and screaming, to complete the two.

This.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:06 am
by Minskiev
Oh, right. Whoever mentioned the ever-present cliche that’s even in my nation of a leader that turns a nation around, you are dead on. Bullseye is too much of a gray area. Eagleseye.

There also do seem to be a lot of UK nations. Kind of like a mini cliche.

Personally, excluding Minskiev, which is just more of a serious nation, I like making cursed or based nations. I’m thinking of doing a sort of Most Serene Republic of Venice, but it’s in the Chinese Seas, and it’s..a commune. Yeah, like a merchant commune. No idea how it’s gonna work.

Anyways, to add to this conversation more, one more cliche:

The South.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:16 am
by Kiu Ghesik
Minskiev wrote:Oh, right. Whoever mentioned the ever-present cliche that’s even in my nation of a leader that turns a nation around, you are dead on. Bullseye is too much of a gray area. Eagleseye.

There also do seem to be a lot of UK nations. Kind of like a mini cliche.

Personally, excluding Minskiev, which is just more of a serious nation, I like making cursed or based nations. I’m thinking of doing a sort of Most Serene Republic of Venice, but it’s in the Chinese Seas, and it’s..a commune. Yeah, like a merchant commune. No idea how it’s gonna work.

Anyways, to add to this conversation more, one more cliche:

The South.

Cursed nations are fun. I was thinking of making a post-apocalyptic New Zealand that acts like the Swiss in the 1500s, selling out mercenaries to the wars of Australian monarchs. Not too cursed, but I thought it would be cool.

And yeah, there are a good number of resurgent/never-fell Confederacies, and I'm not quite sure why. A new civil war in America would either end up with America reestablishing itself and winning or shattering into at least three or four polities. The most interesting ones I've seen are Broader Confederate States, which is less a resurgent Confederacy and more its own thing, and that one Confederacy ruled by a really insecure crossdressing guy who grew a massive beard because he wants to enforce his masculinity or something IDK. That one was neat.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:20 am
by Western Fardelshufflestein
Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Minskiev wrote:Oh, right. Whoever mentioned the ever-present cliche that’s even in my nation of a leader that turns a nation around, you are dead on. Bullseye is too much of a gray area. Eagleseye.

There also do seem to be a lot of UK nations. Kind of like a mini cliche.

Personally, excluding Minskiev, which is just more of a serious nation, I like making cursed or based nations. I’m thinking of doing a sort of Most Serene Republic of Venice, but it’s in the Chinese Seas, and it’s..a commune. Yeah, like a merchant commune. No idea how it’s gonna work.

Anyways, to add to this conversation more, one more cliche:

The South.

Cursed nations are fun. I was thinking of making a post-apocalyptic New Zealand that acts like the Swiss in the 1500s, selling out mercenaries to the wars of Australian monarchs. Not too cursed, but I thought it would be cool.

And yeah, there are a good number of resurgent/never-fell Confederacies, and I'm not quite sure why. A new civil war in America would either end up with America reestablishing itself and winning or shattering into at least three or four polities. The most interesting ones I've seen are Broader Confederate States, which is less a resurgent Confederacy and more its own thing, and that one Confederacy ruled by a really insecure crossdressing guy who grew a massive beard because he wants to enforce his masculinity or something IDK. That one was neat.


I would love to see this cursed New Zealand. Just don't invade/exploit dear WF.

Yeah, I started on a cursed nation reality that involves the United States giving Ohio to North Korea. Oh, and California is North California and South California now.

Cursed nations are fun.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:45 am
by New Carthagea
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:Cursed nations are fun. I was thinking of making a post-apocalyptic New Zealand that acts like the Swiss in the 1500s, selling out mercenaries to the wars of Australian monarchs. Not too cursed, but I thought it would be cool.

And yeah, there are a good number of resurgent/never-fell Confederacies, and I'm not quite sure why. A new civil war in America would either end up with America reestablishing itself and winning or shattering into at least three or four polities. The most interesting ones I've seen are Broader Confederate States, which is less a resurgent Confederacy and more its own thing, and that one Confederacy ruled by a really insecure crossdressing guy who grew a massive beard because he wants to enforce his masculinity or something IDK. That one was neat.


I would love to see this cursed New Zealand. Just don't invade/exploit dear WF.

Yeah, I started on a cursed nation reality that involves the United States giving Ohio to North Korea. Oh, and California is North California and South California now.

Cursed nations are fun.


#JusticeForOhio

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:48 am
by Western Fardelshufflestein
New Carthagea wrote:
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
I would love to see this cursed New Zealand. Just don't invade/exploit dear WF.

Yeah, I started on a cursed nation reality that involves the United States giving Ohio to North Korea. Oh, and California is North California and South California now.

Cursed nations are fun.


#JusticeForOhio


In that universe, pretty much. Either that, or...

OUR GLORIOUS OHIO MILITARY COMPLEX IS VISITED BY OUR GLORIOUS LEADER. CITIZENS CHEER AND FALL ON THEIR KNEES AT THE MERE SIGHT OF HIS ETERNAL GLORY.


Something like that. Basically, nearly everyone originally living in OH left, and NoKo has taken over. Now, they are...probably conducting super military operations, I would assume.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:49 am
by New Carthagea
Let me create a cursed nation myself. Can't resist the urge with all you guys doing it.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:52 am
by Baloo Kingdom
*lives in Ohio*

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:54 am
by Western Fardelshufflestein
Baloo Kingdom wrote:*lives in Ohio*

You'll be fine. Just do not vote for anyone named Jarvis Mitchell who outlines a Four-Step Plan and bears eerie resemblance to Kenneth Branagh.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:02 am
by New Carthagea
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
Baloo Kingdom wrote:*lives in Ohio*

You'll be fine. Just do not vote for anyone named Jarvis Mitchell who outlines a Four-Step Plan and bears eerie resemblance to Kenneth Branagh.


Kenneth Branagh: Exists

WF:
Image

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:03 am
by Western Fardelshufflestein
New Carthagea wrote:
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:You'll be fine. Just do not vote for anyone named Jarvis Mitchell who outlines a Four-Step Plan and bears eerie resemblance to Kenneth Branagh.


Kenneth Branagh: Exists

WF:
Image

:rofl:

Back on topic, an NS cliche I see is THE FLAG RIPPLE.
Not meant to be a criticism of any kind.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:06 am
by Aeritai
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:
New Carthagea wrote:
Kenneth Branagh: Exists

WF:
Image

:rofl:

Back on topic, an NS cliche I see is THE FLAG RIPPLE.
Not meant to be a criticism of any kind.


Well the ripple does look good on some flags.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:08 am
by New Carthagea
It does on a very few in my opinion. In most cases, it just completely ruins it.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:08 am
by Valentine Z
The Ripple has both the hate and love bandwagon. The hate as in that people hate it just because it's there. As for the love, there's a limit on when you should use it.

In short, the ripple effect does not spell doom for your nation's flag, BUT at the same time, I think it's good to see if it suits your flag. It's ultimately up to your own discretion, but attributes such as being symmetrical, work the best! ^^ Experiment it around!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:09 am
by Kiu Ghesik
Valentine Z wrote:The Ripple has both the hate and love bandwagon. The hate as in that people hate it just because it's there. As for the love, there's a limit on when you should use it.

In short, the ripple effect does not spell doom for your nation's flag, BUT at the same time, I think it's good to see if it suits your flag. Symmetrical flags work the best! ^^

I think ripple is best on light-colored flags where it stands out. Even then, there's a chance it ruins the flag.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:10 am
by TURTLESHROOM II
Progressive, gay monarchs in a hereditary dynasty. Who needs succession?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:11 am
by TURTLESHROOM II
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:Back on topic, an NS cliche I see is THE FLAG RIPPLE.


Hey now, my nation looks great in rippled effects!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:12 am
by Zitravgrad
Character-related issues I am guilty of (probably not that cliche but still...):
    1) side characters that probably have no business being important are made important
    2) having a prime minister/subordinate to main leader just because the system needs one
    3) "all-male/all-female" cast (not exactly me, but my nations do be male-dominant)
    4) heavy character-based stories (a true obstacle in worldbuilding in certain cases -- my stories seem to be limited to how far my characters venture, leading me to have 100+ planned characters)
    5) strawman politicians aka the guys your leader can roast, who often stand for what the leader and/or user is politically against (I won't lie, I have one or two, but I use them beyond the purpose of being roasted)

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:Progressive, gay monarchs in a hereditary dynasty. Who needs succession?

:crying_laughing_emoji:

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:12 am
by Valentine Z
Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Valentine Z wrote:The Ripple has both the hate and love bandwagon. The hate as in that people hate it just because it's there. As for the love, there's a limit on when you should use it.

In short, the ripple effect does not spell doom for your nation's flag, BUT at the same time, I think it's good to see if it suits your flag. Symmetrical flags work the best! ^^

I think ripple is best on light-colored flags where it stands out. Even then, there's a chance it ruins the flag.

I certainly do blame the NS' technical limitations! The flag sizes, especially for GIF (in terms of dimension and file sizes) are extremely limiting. But this is another rant for another time, hehe. ^^;

So that's why Ripple effects, or if your flag is too crowded, it looks horrible, because of size-limitations, on top of data compression.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:16 am
by Minskiev
Zitravgrad wrote:Character-related issues I am guilty of (probably not that cliche but still...):
    1) side characters that probably have no business being important are made important
    2) having a prime minister/subordinate to main leader just because the system needs one
    3) "all-male/all-female" cast (not exactly me, but my nations do be male-dominant)
    4) heavy character-based stories (a true obstacle in worldbuilding in certain cases -- my stories seem to be limited to how far my characters venture, leading me to have 100+ planned characters)
    5) strawman politicians aka the guys your leader can roast, who often stand for what the leader and/or user is politically against (I won't lie, I have one or two, but I use them beyond the purpose of being roasted)

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:Progressive, gay monarchs in a hereditary dynasty. Who needs succession?

:crying_laughing_emoji:


That second one is exactly right.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:16 am
by Zitravgrad
Bruh, the worst application of ripple effect yet is the people who put ripple on picture flag.

Fortunately, it was once in a blue moon thing.