NS Cliches: Rebooted

[New Carthagea]

Yes ! I've been here for a long time, and one of the most interesting things in this game is adjusting your NS stats by solving issues ! Sure, you can make some adjustments to it, but completely disregarding them sickens me.

The main problem with NS stats, aside from the obvious question of whether you actually want to commit to building up your gameside nation on top of written worldbuilding (though admittedly it isn't much of a commitment given issue frequency, but that depends on how many puppets you're trying to manage and how much you care to analyse options), is that they don't always make sense in context. If you're an MT/PMT nation-state or similar polity, they mostly work, but the further removed your nation is from a relatively standard country, the more problems NS stats start to have in terms of lining up with its actual canon.

That being said, I do answer issues somewhat actively on all the puppets I care to maintain, even when applying them to their lore doesn't make much sense. Boredom and force of habit, I suppose.

I agree.

[Valentine Z]

Ohhh the thing that I hate the most regarding the NS Stats - I can't get all the sweet Industries with good environment.

Maybe I am not just trying hard enough!

[Zitravgrad]

Ohhh the thing that I hate the most regarding the NS Stats - I can't get all the sweet Industries with good environment.

Maybe I am not just trying hard enough!

(Image)

I just want more trout fishing industry.

[Tea Chuggers]

I've been toying around with the idea of making non-cliché FT spacefaring and Actually Communist™ nations on puppets I set up and then promptly forgot about, how would that sound? I'm kinda getting burnt out on NS for this round but I might be able to drag myself, if kicking and screaming, to complete the two.

[New Carthagea]

I've been toying around with the idea of making non-cliché FT spacefaring and Actually Communist™ nations on puppets I set up and then promptly forgot about, how would that sound? I'm kinda getting burnt out on NS for this round but I might be able to drag myself, if kicking and screaming, to complete the two.

This.

[Minskiev]

Oh, right. Whoever mentioned the ever-present cliche that’s even in my nation of a leader that turns a nation around, you are dead on. Bullseye is too much of a gray area. Eagleseye.

There also do seem to be a lot of UK nations. Kind of like a mini cliche.

Personally, excluding Minskiev, which is just more of a serious nation, I like making cursed or based nations. I’m thinking of doing a sort of Most Serene Republic of Venice, but it’s in the Chinese Seas, and it’s..a commune. Yeah, like a merchant commune. No idea how it’s gonna work.

Anyways, to add to this conversation more, one more cliche:

The South.

[Kiu Ghesik]

Oh, right. Whoever mentioned the ever-present cliche that’s even in my nation of a leader that turns a nation around, you are dead on. Bullseye is too much of a gray area. Eagleseye.

There also do seem to be a lot of UK nations. Kind of like a mini cliche.

Personally, excluding Minskiev, which is just more of a serious nation, I like making cursed or based nations. I’m thinking of doing a sort of Most Serene Republic of Venice, but it’s in the Chinese Seas, and it’s..a commune. Yeah, like a merchant commune. No idea how it’s gonna work.

Anyways, to add to this conversation more, one more cliche:

The South.

Cursed nations are fun. I was thinking of making a post-apocalyptic New Zealand that acts like the Swiss in the 1500s, selling out mercenaries to the wars of Australian monarchs. Not too cursed, but I thought it would be cool.

And yeah, there are a good number of resurgent/never-fell Confederacies, and I'm not quite sure why. A new civil war in America would either end up with America reestablishing itself and winning or shattering into at least three or four polities. The most interesting ones I've seen are Broader Confederate States, which is less a resurgent Confederacy and more its own thing, and that one Confederacy ruled by a really insecure crossdressing guy who grew a massive beard because he wants to enforce his masculinity or something IDK. That one was neat.

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

Oh, right. Whoever mentioned the ever-present cliche that’s even in my nation of a leader that turns a nation around, you are dead on. Bullseye is too much of a gray area. Eagleseye.

There also do seem to be a lot of UK nations. Kind of like a mini cliche.

Personally, excluding Minskiev, which is just more of a serious nation, I like making cursed or based nations. I’m thinking of doing a sort of Most Serene Republic of Venice, but it’s in the Chinese Seas, and it’s..a commune. Yeah, like a merchant commune. No idea how it’s gonna work.

Anyways, to add to this conversation more, one more cliche:

The South.

Cursed nations are fun. I was thinking of making a post-apocalyptic New Zealand that acts like the Swiss in the 1500s, selling out mercenaries to the wars of Australian monarchs. Not too cursed, but I thought it would be cool.

And yeah, there are a good number of resurgent/never-fell Confederacies, and I'm not quite sure why. A new civil war in America would either end up with America reestablishing itself and winning or shattering into at least three or four polities. The most interesting ones I've seen are Broader Confederate States, which is less a resurgent Confederacy and more its own thing, and that one Confederacy ruled by a really insecure crossdressing guy who grew a massive beard because he wants to enforce his masculinity or something IDK. That one was neat.

I would love to see this cursed New Zealand. Just don't invade/exploit dear WF.

Yeah, I started on a cursed nation reality that involves the United States giving Ohio to North Korea. Oh, and California is North California and South California now.

Cursed nations are fun.

[New Carthagea]

Cursed nations are fun. I was thinking of making a post-apocalyptic New Zealand that acts like the Swiss in the 1500s, selling out mercenaries to the wars of Australian monarchs. Not too cursed, but I thought it would be cool.

And yeah, there are a good number of resurgent/never-fell Confederacies, and I'm not quite sure why. A new civil war in America would either end up with America reestablishing itself and winning or shattering into at least three or four polities. The most interesting ones I've seen are Broader Confederate States, which is less a resurgent Confederacy and more its own thing, and that one Confederacy ruled by a really insecure crossdressing guy who grew a massive beard because he wants to enforce his masculinity or something IDK. That one was neat.

I would love to see this cursed New Zealand. Just don't invade/exploit dear WF.

Yeah, I started on a cursed nation reality that involves the United States giving Ohio to North Korea. Oh, and California is North California and South California now.

Cursed nations are fun.

#JusticeForOhio

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

I would love to see this cursed New Zealand. Just don't invade/exploit dear WF.

Yeah, I started on a cursed nation reality that involves the United States giving Ohio to North Korea. Oh, and California is North California and South California now.

Cursed nations are fun.

#JusticeForOhio

In that universe, pretty much. Either that, or...

OUR GLORIOUS OHIO MILITARY COMPLEX IS VISITED BY OUR GLORIOUS LEADER. CITIZENS CHEER AND FALL ON THEIR KNEES AT THE MERE SIGHT OF HIS ETERNAL GLORY.

Something like that. Basically, nearly everyone originally living in OH left, and NoKo has taken over. Now, they are...probably conducting super military operations, I would assume.

[New Carthagea]

Let me create a cursed nation myself. Can't resist the urge with all you guys doing it.

[Baloo Kingdom]

*lives in Ohio*

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

*lives in Ohio*

You'll be fine. Just do not vote for anyone named Jarvis Mitchell who outlines a Four-Step Plan and bears eerie resemblance to Kenneth Branagh.

[New Carthagea]

*lives in Ohio*

You'll be fine. Just do not vote for anyone named Jarvis Mitchell who outlines a Four-Step Plan and bears eerie resemblance to Kenneth Branagh.

Kenneth Branagh: Exists

WF:

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

You'll be fine. Just do not vote for anyone named Jarvis Mitchell who outlines a Four-Step Plan and bears eerie resemblance to Kenneth Branagh.

Kenneth Branagh: Exists

WF:

Back on topic, an NS cliche I see is THE FLAG RIPPLE.
Not meant to be a criticism of any kind.

[Aeritai]

Kenneth Branagh: Exists

WF:

Back on topic, an NS cliche I see is THE FLAG RIPPLE.
Not meant to be a criticism of any kind.

Well the ripple does look good on some flags.

[New Carthagea]

It does on a very few in my opinion. In most cases, it just completely ruins it.

[Valentine Z]

The Ripple has both the hate and love bandwagon. The hate as in that people hate it just because it's there. As for the love, there's a limit on when you should use it.

In short, the ripple effect does not spell doom for your nation's flag, BUT at the same time, I think it's good to see if it suits your flag. It's ultimately up to your own discretion, but attributes such as being symmetrical, work the best! ^^ Experiment it around!

[Kiu Ghesik]

The Ripple has both the hate and love bandwagon. The hate as in that people hate it just because it's there. As for the love, there's a limit on when you should use it.

In short, the ripple effect does not spell doom for your nation's flag, BUT at the same time, I think it's good to see if it suits your flag. Symmetrical flags work the best! ^^

I think ripple is best on light-colored flags where it stands out. Even then, there's a chance it ruins the flag.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

Progressive, gay monarchs in a hereditary dynasty. Who needs succession?

[TURTLESHROOM II]

Back on topic, an NS cliche I see is THE FLAG RIPPLE.

Hey now, my nation looks great in rippled effects!

[Zitravgrad]

Character-related issues I am guilty of (probably not that cliche but still...):

1) side characters that probably have no business being important are made important
2) having a prime minister/subordinate to main leader just because the system needs one
3) "all-male/all-female" cast (not exactly me, but my nations do be male-dominant)
4) heavy character-based stories (a true obstacle in worldbuilding in certain cases -- my stories seem to be limited to how far my characters venture, leading me to have 100+ planned characters)
5) strawman politicians aka the guys your leader can roast, who often stand for what the leader and/or user is politically against (I won't lie, I have one or two, but I use them beyond the purpose of being roasted)

Progressive, gay monarchs in a hereditary dynasty. Who needs succession?

:crying_laughing_emoji:

[Valentine Z]

The Ripple has both the hate and love bandwagon. The hate as in that people hate it just because it's there. As for the love, there's a limit on when you should use it.

In short, the ripple effect does not spell doom for your nation's flag, BUT at the same time, I think it's good to see if it suits your flag. Symmetrical flags work the best! ^^

I think ripple is best on light-colored flags where it stands out. Even then, there's a chance it ruins the flag.

I certainly do blame the NS' technical limitations! The flag sizes, especially for GIF (in terms of dimension and file sizes) are extremely limiting. But this is another rant for another time, hehe. ^^;

So that's why Ripple effects, or if your flag is too crowded, it looks horrible, because of size-limitations, on top of data compression.

[Minskiev]

Character-related issues I am guilty of (probably not that cliche but still...):

1) side characters that probably have no business being important are made important
2) having a prime minister/subordinate to main leader just because the system needs one
3) "all-male/all-female" cast (not exactly me, but my nations do be male-dominant)
4) heavy character-based stories (a true obstacle in worldbuilding in certain cases -- my stories seem to be limited to how far my characters venture, leading me to have 100+ planned characters)
5) strawman politicians aka the guys your leader can roast, who often stand for what the leader and/or user is politically against (I won't lie, I have one or two, but I use them beyond the purpose of being roasted)

Progressive, gay monarchs in a hereditary dynasty. Who needs succession?

:crying_laughing_emoji:

That second one is exactly right.

[Zitravgrad]

Bruh, the worst application of ripple effect yet is the people who put ripple on picture flag.

Fortunately, it was once in a blue moon thing.