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Postby Caleonia » Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:45 am

Nah, it’s more fun screwing around with stuff you don’t know about and trying to make abominations based around what you don’t know.

Not knowing what is happening next is more fun than knowing what is happening next, but in a practical sense knowing what is happening next is important.
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Postby Window Land » Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:38 am

agree


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Postby The African Emirates » Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:40 am

That was a bit hard to read, but agreed.




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Postby Las Palmeras » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:14 pm

Disagree. I've probably seen worse.


Keeping the Promise is an obscure movie.
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Postby Khoronzon » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:42 pm

Given that I've never heard of it before reading the above two posts, I'm inclined to agree.


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The Wasatch
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Postby The Wasatch » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:44 pm

Disagree.

Citizens in a modern society don't require weapons.
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Postby Strahcoin » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:52 pm

The Wasatch wrote:Citizens in a modern society don't require weapons.

Partially disagreed. Some don't, but some do. And the populace should be armed for self-defense and a deterrence against tyranny.

Also, "weapons" is a very broad category.

While fascism is bad, people on NationStates should be allowed to play fascist nations. After all, any ideology (whether it be capitalism, communism, conservatism, liberalism, progressivism, socialism, anarchism, etc.) can be seen as bad/offensive, just because one is playing a fascist nation doesn't necessarily mean that he/she supports the ideology.
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Postby Las Palmeras » Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:02 pm

Bruh. A good deal of nations roleplay or are modeled on fascist countries. I'm pretty sure that I've seen aplenty countries with fasces, the Italian Social Republic's flag, black suns, fashy-looking runes...the no-swastika rule doesn't necessarily exclude that possibility.


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Postby Soleos » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:32 pm

Disagree. Mustard is good, but not on falafel.

Anarcho-Capitalism and Anarcho-Communism are funny meme ideologies but those who support it unironcially are almost universally cringe.
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Postby Archipelago Bay » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:41 pm

Agree



Democracy is the best form of government

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Postby North German Realm » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:45 pm

It's not the "best" form of government. That suggests there are other "good" types of government. Democracy is the only good form of government


The parliamentary model is not designed for republicanism and shouldn't be implemented in republican governments.
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Postby Kyria » Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:25 pm

Disagreed.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:03 am

I wouldn't call him an idiot, he knows exactly what he's doing. We can argue and night about whether or not it's benevolent, but he certainly knows what he's doing


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Drongonia
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Postby Drongonia » Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:10 am

Agree. You're employing them to do a job, so why make them pay for one of the tools of that job?


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Postby Caleonia » Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:11 am

Agree, but it shouldn’t come down to the consumer to pay for it

Lobbyists are ruining the world.
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Postby Satuga » Fri Oct 04, 2019 6:20 am

Agreed, politicians should be looking at ways to benefit everyone not just their own party.

while were on the track of politics, while Bernie does have good points on colleges or health care, introducing complete socialism to the US is a bad idea and could lead to something much more dangerous *cough* communism *cough*.
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Postby North German Realm » Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:17 am

Eh. I very much doubt socialism (even actual socialism, much less Bernie's social democratic policies) could result in a USSR if implemented through legislature.


The "having socialist policies leads to communism" argument doesn't have any merit, because none of the quote-unquote communist countries in the last century were actually elected democratically and through legislature.
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Postby Soleos » Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:18 am

Disagree. Americans are just an ideological backwater on the socialism vs capitalism debate.
Agree.

Elizabeth Warren & Andrew Yang have their flaws, but Warren especially is our only viable Plan B should Bernie not get the nomination. Andrew Yang's economic policies will spell disaster for the poor in the long-term (as $1000/month can only work for those in rural Iowa but not urban poor in San Francisco), but he's at least an intelligent man that's more likely to adapt & modify than Harris or Buttigieg.
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Postby Las Palmeras » Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:00 pm

Agree, he's adaptable. He's the only candidate I know of that's mentioned things like automation changing the economy.


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Postby Soleos » Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:58 pm

After looking it up, I agree. Who would think of such a god?


US Democrats seriously need to stop praising Republicans for something as commonly decent as criticising Trump. It's not praiseworthy to have some type of conscience and see that Trump is a destructive figure. At the same time, you assholes are actually humanising monsters who are extremely detrimental to the poor, LGBTQ+, and women's bodily autonomy all because they said "Trump's not a nice man".
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Postby Strahcoin » Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:40 pm

Soleos wrote:US Democrats seriously need to stop praising Republicans for something as commonly decent as criticising Trump. It's not praiseworthy to have some type of conscience and see that Trump is a destructive figure. At the same time, you assholes are actually humanising monsters who are extremely detrimental to the poor, LGBTQ+, and women's bodily autonomy all because they said "Trump's not a nice man".

Uh, what? Trump voiced support for the LGBT community. He grew the economy and greatly decreased the unemployment rate. And abortion is an infringement upon the fetuses' bodily autonomy, anyways.

No evidence that Trump is destructive or monstrous.

Calling Trump a monster just because you disagree with his policies and his boisterous personality is immoral. It's okay to criticize him, but dehumanizing him is crossing the line.
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Postby North German Realm » Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:44 pm

No actually. He is a monster, and normalizing his reactionary and retarded views in domestic (and somewhat in economic) policies is harmful to a developed society.


The US political system will remain a shitshow like it has been since 2016 as long as the Democrats still believe that the Republicans will take a step forward if they do the same.
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Postby New Transeurasia » Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:37 pm

Agree. We should just leave the Republicans with Bush, the last Republicans to do any sort of good for their country.

The electoral college unevenly distributes voting power among citizens, is obsolete(and has been since the invention of the telegraph), and should be disbanded.
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Postby Soleos » Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:14 pm

Strahcoin wrote:
Soleos wrote:US Democrats seriously need to stop praising Republicans for something as commonly decent as criticising Trump. It's not praiseworthy to have some type of conscience and see that Trump is a destructive figure. At the same time, you assholes are actually humanising monsters who are extremely detrimental to the poor, LGBTQ+, and women's bodily autonomy all because they said "Trump's not a nice man".

Uh, what? Trump voiced support for the LGBT community. He grew the economy and greatly decreased the unemployment rate. And abortion is an infringement upon the fetuses' bodily autonomy, anyways.

No evidence that Trump is destructive or monstrous.

Calling Trump a monster just because you disagree with his policies and his boisterous personality is immoral. It's okay to criticize him, but dehumanizing him is crossing the line.


I'm not calling Trump a monster in my post (though he is in his own way), I'm calling Democrats to stop praising the likes of Romney and McCain who have and still are, enemies of the LGBTQ Community and The poor and thus, are monsters.

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Agree.

"Abortion is murder" is bullshit. The infant's not conscious, life and consciousness are two different thing. And from an economic perspective, mothers who can't afford to raise a child shouldn't be forced to live in poverty & eat off the taxpayers. Which is something Republicans should be supporting but apparently "fAcTs dOn'T cArE aBoUt YoUr FeElInGs"
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Postby Drongonia » Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:17 am

I disagree as by the time most abortions occur, babies can feel pain.
Also, imagine calling someone a monster because they don't like homosexuality.


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