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Hammer Britannia
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:55 am

Eodor wrote:
Valentine Z wrote:I'm going to put it here again, because it happened a few times to me. I think I'll just live with it, but I will still talk about it. ;)

Valentijn “De Sierlijke en Vrij Valkyrie General” Samantha Maxwell Delta Weston Stijn Angelus Tracey Mitchell Constantine Sein Lin Zaw Naing is NOT a woman!

I mean, yeah, he has girl names, girl armor, but I think the factbook covers the He-part rather well.

This annoys even me and I have no connection to that character or those factbooks at all.

It's actually a common occurrence.

People just take one look at the leader's name/a quick glance at the factbook and make assumptions. Whether it be the wrong gender or the fact they are the spawn of Satan because they are person I politically disagree with X
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Hammer Britannia
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Hammer Britannia » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:57 am

Planet Illysia wrote:Cliche on this thread: People who find it cliche that nobody wants to play an average nation. That can be pretty boring and unforgettable, and the whole point of creating a fictional entity is to have something special about them. Even if their specialty is an absurd, rigid averageness.

It's not that everyone wants to make an average nation, it's that most people seem to prefer either being perfectly good or perfectly bad. You rarely see morally ambiguous nations anymore.
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Zitravgrad
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Postby Zitravgrad » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:58 am

^
Well...

In one incident, there was a player who read Feodora Alexeievna Miroslavskaya and called her a dude.

This is why I don't expand factbooks beyond average human's attention span (anymore). I know how it feels to see a leader with very long factbook, but I do try to read the basics.
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Zitravgrad (Зітравград) is a late PMT unicameral semi-presidential nation with a convoluted form of state capitalism backed by technocrats. A post-nuclear war tundra wasteland, the nation has the aesthetics of 19th-20th century Eastern Slavic world, complicated by post-steampunk sci-fi vibe. It has strong energy, mining and pharmaceutical industries but with stagnant agricultural sector. Currently going for a cultural revival and huge retconning, and it's been only ten years since Independence War. Lowkey a political black comedy with occasional serious gags. Flag: Mikhail Tukhachevsky
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Valentine Z
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Valentine Z » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:59 am

Planet Illysia wrote:Cliche on this thread: People who find it cliche that nobody wants to play an average nation. That can be pretty boring and unforgettable, and the whole point of creating a fictional entity is to have something special about them. Even if their specialty is an absurd, rigid averageness.


I admit, I don't really want to play an average nation, as in the ones with all the normal rules, normal legislations, and stuff. Politics is just isn't in me. :P

My biggest cliche so far is how everything in Valentine Z is a black-and-white scenario. It's either too good (love and friendliness), or too bad and banned (capital punishment, rudeness).

I have yet to make a Valentian who is basically an asshole towards everyone around him, like Snow White's Grumpy. People shun him because he's rude, so he decided to screw it all and live somewhere isolated.
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Las Palmeras
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Las Palmeras » Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:40 am

Ancient Astronauts: Cliche I'm guilty of, and 2 of my 3 puppets, mostly...sorta helps that I roughly plan my undergrad thesis to be a historical analysis of the concept.

I don't say anything explicitly in LP's factbooks save for some teasing commentary over Martian observation and the origin of the neko in timescales- and references to one of my favorite animu that also involves the theme, Fushigi no Umi no Nadia- things become more obvious in Grand Celestial Domain and Sopdet Bemusement World. And a really lame joke about cat-worshiping empires with solar god-monarchs...

I have to say though that I personally haven't really seen it in much use though; some fantasy and dark horror nations may find similar things in creator gods or a precursor race, but that's it IIRC. Also some Halo-themed nations -because of their theme's plot- a year back but I don't see them as often as I do now.
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Dawetid
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Dawetid » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:23 am

I’m surprised that nobody brought this up.

Someone could start a topic with completely factually false information, and the topic could go on for pages, but as soon as someone presents facts to negate the topic, and attempt to explain, then they are immediately warned for “threadjack” or “flaming”.
Even worse, this has spread out of General to Forum7.
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Phrase of the week
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K̆vā́ lav są̌.
I want to die.
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Valentine Z
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Valentine Z » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:58 am

Dawetid wrote:I’m surprised that nobody brought this up.

Someone could start a topic with completely factually false information, and the topic could go on for pages, but as soon as someone presents facts to negate the topic, and attempt to explain, then they are immediately warned for “threadjack” or “flaming”.
Even worse, this has spread out of General to Forum7.


Or taking a nation too seriously. I will have to say, there can be some inconsistent facts for a nation along the way because I understand, you are still worldbuilding, but imagine how you feel when you are being nitpicked... for your fictional nation.

Not that I got into it before, but I know a couple of times when a nation will get OOCly (not in-character) nitpicked for being a socialist, or capitalist, or any political compass.
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Glory to De Sierlijke und Verwonderlijk Feline Utopia et its Heerlijk Autonomous Opperheerschappij ov Valentine Z !
>>> >>> >>> Q & A Here! <<< <<< <<<
• About me.
• You thought I'm a She. But it is I, a dude!
Silver Commonwealth is the long-lost, evil, and short brother of Valentine Z!
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Zitravgrad
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Zitravgrad » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:36 pm

So in the WA, I feel like all we are doing these days is repealing old resolutions...

Not all the time but still...
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Frievolk
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Frievolk » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:42 pm

Zitravgrad wrote:So in the WA, I feel like all we are doing these days is repealing old resolutions...

Not all the time but still...

That's generally what happens in the WA at any time tho.

Regarding the WA, btw, Whenever a controversial GA resolution is passed, you can expect a hundred repeal resolutions both in the forums and in the proposals until a)it is repealed (in which case you'll start getting the same resolution in the forums and proposals) or some other, more controversial GA resolution is passed.
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Jebslund
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Postby Jebslund » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:48 pm

Zitravgrad wrote:So in the WA, I feel like all we are doing these days is repealing old resolutions...

Not all the time but still...

Piggybacking off of that...

Noobs either drafting resolutions without bothering to read the rules, doing so having read the rules, but insisting they don't apply to their draft because [completely asinine reasoning], submitting without bothering to read/understand the rules (or, indeed, even knowing what a proposal in the sense of the WA *is*), or submitting a half-assed/blatantly illegal proposal, then posting in the WA forums to beg for votes.
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Fox Shogunate
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Fox Shogunate » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:41 pm

Most of Japanese nations tend to be either variations of Imperial Japan, or straight anime nations. (I believe, that I am one of the few there, that has made a Republican Japan, which isn't communist)
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Dawetid
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Postby Dawetid » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:01 pm

Fox Shogunate wrote:Most of Japanese nations tend to be either variations of Imperial Japan, or straight anime nations. (I believe, that I am one of the few there, that has made a Republican Japan, which isn't communist)

Actually I had an idea of a republican Japan but gave up on it later. Still using it for issues, though.
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Phrase of the week
ကွားလဝ်သာ်ႉ။
K̆vā́ lav są̌.
I want to die.
(requested by Valentine Z)
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A m e n r i a
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby A m e n r i a » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:05 pm

Knessniet wrote:Oh! I got a good one!

When a nation is a monarchy, they tend to be an overly benevolent near welfare state, or they are a constitutional monarchy where the monarch is just a big ol' social activist with only ceremonial duties.


Is that why you made a hypocritical leader? :p

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Valgora
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Valgora » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:57 pm

In some F7 threads - specifically the "What Does the AN's Motto Tell You?" - players will provide a motto; however, that motto won't be in English and said player fails to provide a Translation of said motto requiring everyone else to use something like Google Translate.

In fact, I remember one time where one nation's motto was in a language that Google didn't even know; and they didn't provide a translation.
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Zitravgrad
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Postby Zitravgrad » Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:18 am

Next cliche: Newspaper with the nation's name in its name.

There is nothing wrong about that but it's just a tad boring. :p
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The Rapture Republic
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Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby The Rapture Republic » Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:44 am

Zitravgrad wrote:Next cliche: Newspaper with the nation's name in its name.

There is nothing wrong about that but it's just a tad boring. :p

Not if the newspaper is required to have the name of the nation in it, when working with the franchise your nation is based on.


Next cliche; FFT Nations with a load of information that makes your brain want to explode with the complexity of it all. However, when having the unlucky to rp with them in rps, you struggle at getting the idea of how the FFT weaponry works and googling doesn’t help at all.
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The Biggles Syndicate
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby The Biggles Syndicate » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:35 am

Speaking of this very thread's title, some nations are resurrections of the Roman Empire.
Sort of like the outside examples there.
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Ccanda
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Founded: Mar 14, 2018
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ccanda » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:38 am

If you don't add the flag ripple effect, what even are you doing?
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Hammer Britannia
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:39 am

Ccanda wrote:If you don't add the flag ripple effect, what even are you doing?

Preventing the spread of Eye cancer, which is a serious problem within the NS community.
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Ccanda
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Ccanda » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:40 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Ccanda wrote:If you don't add the flag ripple effect, what even are you doing?

Preventing the spread of Eye cancer, which is a serious problem within the NS community.

i don't know enough about the subject of eye cancer to argue that, but okay.
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Vadterland
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Founded: Jul 12, 2018
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Vadterland » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:45 am

Ccanda wrote:If you don't add the flag ripple effect, what even are you doing?

Making the flag look nicer, in most cases. There are only a few examples where adding the ripple really looks good on a flag.
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Ccanda
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Postby Ccanda » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:51 am

Vadterland wrote:
Ccanda wrote:If you don't add the flag ripple effect, what even are you doing?

Making the flag look nicer, in most cases. There are only a few examples where adding the ripple really looks good on a flag.

this is like saying you don't want sharks with fricking lazar beams attached to their heads.
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Vadterland
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Vadterland » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:52 am

Ccanda wrote:
Vadterland wrote:Making the flag look nicer, in most cases. There are only a few examples where adding the ripple really looks good on a flag.

this is like saying you don't want sharks with fricking lazar beams attached to their heads.

No, it's not. There are cases where ripple works, and cases where it doesn't, and the latter outnumbers the former by a fairly significant margin.
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An empire in Central Europa, born and forged in the fires of war, currently led by the militaristic Kaizerina Solarya. Surrounded on all sides by invaders and saboteurs, and in the midst of a war to end all wars, the Fatherland stands on guard.

Attention all NSers, Vadterland is in great danger, and it needs YOUR help to wipe out the Entente. To do this, it needs an army and a mage corps commanded by a loli. To help it, all it needs is your credit card number, the three numbers on the back, and the expiration month and date. But you gotta be quick so that Vadterland can win the Weltkrieg, and achieve peace with honor!

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Hammer Britannia
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:54 am

Ccanda wrote:
Vadterland wrote:Making the flag look nicer, in most cases. There are only a few examples where adding the ripple really looks good on a flag.

this is like saying you don't want sharks with fricking lazar beams attached to their heads.

No, it's more like not wanting mayo

On most foods mayo is disgusting, but sometimes it works.
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Postby Ccanda » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:54 am

i bet you're real fun at parties.
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