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Kim Chiu
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Postby Kim Chiu » Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:13 am

The first few sentences are similar to Philippine history.

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Persagonian Republic
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Postby Persagonian Republic » Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:08 am

Uh, okay. That's pretty cool I guess.


During the Iran - Iraq War of 1981, massive amounts of Islamist prisoners who were former IRGC/Sepah soldiers were released in order to fight against Iraq out of pragmatism as many Iranian officers and soldiers were purged by the previous regime. All Iranians of different ethnicity, religions, and ideologies put aside their differences and pledged allegiance to the government under the Gang of Four to fight against a common Iraqi foe. A decree was issued by the Imperial Regent which allowed for former Sepah soldiers to be released and fight under the Basij force which was a component of the Armed Forces. They fought admirably well against the Iraqi Army and around 200,000 former Sepahs and Khomeini supporters volunteered to fight in the Basij. After the war they were given generous pensions as well as released although not without social programs with the aim of re-integrating them back to society. The Iran-Iraq War and the decision to release them helped in mending old wounds after the Iranian Revolution as well as paving the way for political normalization in the 90s after the military returned to the barracks and refrained from involving in politics.
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The State of Iran"Independence, Freedom, and the Iranian Nation"
Welcome to Iran | Overview | Anthem | Retcon Underway | Set in: 1980

After the success of the Nojeh Coup; Iran becomes a transitional regency, hybrid (military) regime which clamps down on everything politically Islamic. Now suffering from an Afghan-like insurgency from the Quds and MEK, and intricate deep state politics between the Gang of Four.
The "Persagonian Republic" is a misnomer. We are a transitional regency.

Ettela'at News: Previous officials of the old IR regime including Abdolhassan Banisadr and Ali Rajai reported missing after the Qom Raid. Rumors are abound that the Islamists are assembling the Al-Quds opposition to wage jihad against the new govt.

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Postby Allied Iran » Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:57 pm

Given how OTL, Sepah and the Basij basically prolonged the war needlessly for six years so they could send all possible opposition to be killed in warfare (Hello human wave attacks!) or just flat out kill them and implicate the Mujadideen for it, I half expected for you to just do that to them instead. Heaven knows if Allied Iran was to fight the Iran-Iraq War, we'd do just that.


Legally, belonging to any organization that promotes "Political Islam" is considered treason and grounds for a minimum of 5 years in prison. This policy was implemented in large part during the Military Dictatorship era after the Azar Coup, and was in essence just another part of the new state's campaign of wiping Islamists out and force secularization on every aspect of the society. The main problem is that it is up to the state to define what 'Political Islam' is, and given Islam as a religion is by its very definition political, almost all Mosques in the country are heavily monitored, and the slightest hint of criticism of the state based on religious doctrine will mean the police will be shooting up your mosque the next day.
Imperial State of PersiaKešvar-ī Šāhanšāhīh-ī Ērān
The timeline where Islam never made an impression in the Persosphere and Turks never crossed the Red Snake. Associated with Doechland
No'dad: Merry Tīr-ped-Frawardīn | "Christians make up a sixth of our people. Not doing so would be impolitic" PM Dadgostar justifies Easter Celebration after opposition from High Priesthood — "Persia stands with Egypt in its conflict against Arabs, but Alexandria must be held responsible for its mistreatment of the Nubians." Foreign Ministry states  — Bloodbath in Mushireb! Fighting breaks out between Arab militants—accused to be associated with Qatari Branch of Al-Ba'ath—and Persian civilians in Doha leaves 379 dead after occupation authorities intervened

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Greater Seludong
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Postby Greater Seludong » Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:15 pm

Nacrad wrote:So like the Functional Constituencies of the Hong Kong "LegCo"? That's an undemocratic system though.


The members elected to the auxiliary branches only draft and deliberate bills to be sent to the plenary of the National Legislature and do not serve as full members. In some way, they are respected as special committees of the National Legislature, although there are already existing committees of Indigenous Welfare and Youth Development. Both the Councils and the regular committees must approve a bill that tackles about the matters said earlier, but maybe overturned once the National Legislature, as a Grand Committee, voted to grant the bill passage from the committee stage. /skip
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Postby A m e n r i a » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:09 pm

Allied Iran wrote:Given how OTL, Sepah and the Basij basically prolonged the war needlessly for six years so they could send all possible opposition to be killed in warfare (Hello human wave attacks!) or just flat out kill them and implicate the Mujadideen for it, I half expected for you to just do that to them instead. Heaven knows if Allied Iran was to fight the Iran-Iraq War, we'd do just that.


Legally, belonging to any organization that promotes "Political Islam" is considered treason and grounds for a minimum of 5 years in prison. This policy was implemented in large part during the Military Dictatorship era after the Azar Coup, and was in essence just another part of the new state's campaign of wiping Islamists out and force secularization on every aspect of the society. The main problem is that it is up to the state to define what 'Political Islam' is, and given Islam as a religion is by its very definition political, almost all Mosques in the country are heavily monitored, and the slightest hint of criticism of the state based on religious doctrine will mean the police will be shooting up your mosque the next day.


Of course, prevent your people from following the perfect, fool-proof system from an omnipotent entity of infinite wisdom and have them try come up with something better with their puny human minds, what could possibly go wrong? Oh wait, everything. End this insanity and drag your people out of the dark ages, they'll thank you in Heaven.

The Crown of Heaven and Earth, Tianshi's crown, is hardly, if ever, worn. That's because it's less of a status symbol and more of a piece of armour, with the jewel able to give him the ability to channel his Qi into a beam attack. Considering his durability, Tianshi seldom needs to wear armour, especially with how his wings can act as shields and are tougher that the rest of his body. Why is the crown named that way? It's made from an alloy with some Earth metals as ingredients and some ingredients from outside of Earth. Some say it's the same rock that fell from Heaven at the time of Adam and Eve (the same black rock in the Ka'bah), others say it's some alien metal.
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Sinocentric Asian theocratic absolute monarchy. Set 28 years in the future. On-site factbooks are no longer canon. A 13.14 civilization, according to this index.
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Hanoverian Great Britain
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Postby Hanoverian Great Britain » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:43 am

The crown has surely an interesting background but above all its intriguing features, is there an alternative crown that is worn during coronation events?

Despite a temporary split in the union between the United Kingdom and Hanover during the short reign of Queen Victoria, the union between the respective countries has since been restored and currently remains well preserved into the modern day. However, this union was once more put to the test in the year of 1996, when in a sudden, an official announcement was released declaring that the then reigning king William VI's successor was to be a female. This revelation, which came around a month before the birth of the current Queen Alexandra, raised doubts about a potential abolition of Hanover's longstanding Salic Law, which had then barred females from succeeding to the throne such as the case of Queen Victoria. With the local Parliament of Lower Saxony (alternatively referred to as Hanover) split, a referendum was held among the local public and in a historical, and triumphant moment, the results were overwhelmingly in favour of abolishing the Salic Law and into maintaining the current union. Eventually, the proposed bill was formally granted royal assent as soon as news of the birth of the future queen was announced nationwide.

In all, this occasion formally marked the end of Hanover's 182 year old usage of the Salic Law since the establishment of Hanover's royal institution in 1814 under George III.
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Nevertopia
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Postby Nevertopia » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:31 am

Your queen is the girl from split?
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Les Fils de Lucifer
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Postby Les Fils de Lucifer » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:51 am

Hanoverian Great Britain wrote:Despite a temporary split in the union between the United Kingdom and Hanover during the short reign of Queen Victoria, the union between the respective countries has since been restored and currently remains well preserved into the modern day. However, this union was once more put to the test in the year of 1996, when in a sudden, an official announcement was released declaring that the then reigning king William VI's successor was to be a female. This revelation, which came around a month before the birth of the current Queen Alexandra, raised doubts about a potential abolition of Hanover's longstanding Salic Law, which had then barred females from succeeding to the throne such as the case of Queen Victoria. With the local Parliament of Lower Saxony (alternatively referred to as Hanover) split, a referendum was held among the local public and in a historical, and triumphant moment, the results were overwhelmingly in favour of abolishing the Salic Law and into maintaining the current union. Eventually, the proposed bill was formally granted royal assent as soon as news of the birth of the future queen was announced nationwide.

In all, this occasion formally marked the end of Hanover's 182 year old usage of the Salic Law since the establishment of Hanover's royal institution in 1814 under George III.


The abolition of Salic law is something to be applauded. It had its uses and was generally a useful tool in maintaining male supremacy within patriarchal societies, but that is no longer the case in the modern world and only locks out potentially great leaders from the throne.
The most distinguishing trait of les Fils de Lucifer in comparison to other mafia-type criminal organisations is its strong Satanist influences. In addition to its name, which translates to ‘the Sons of Lucifer’, the Detroit-based crime syndicate also incorporates Satanist symbology and iconography in its symbols, language and inner workings. It is believed that made men within les Fils de Lucifer are required to bind themselves to an oath that resembles Omertà in the presence of a shrine or statue with Lucifer’s likeness and to spill their own blood to seal it. Those who break this oath are often executed by fire along with whoever might be a threat to the group itself.
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A m e n r i a
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Postby A m e n r i a » Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:56 am

Hanoverian Great Britain wrote:The crown has surely an interesting background but above all its intriguing features, is there an alternative crown that is worn during coronation events?

Despite a temporary split in the union between the United Kingdom and Hanover during the short reign of Queen Victoria, the union between the respective countries has since been restored and currently remains well preserved into the modern day. However, this union was once more put to the test in the year of 1996, when in a sudden, an official announcement was released declaring that the then reigning king William VI's successor was to be a female. This revelation, which came around a month before the birth of the current Queen Alexandra, raised doubts about a potential abolition of Hanover's longstanding Salic Law, which had then barred females from succeeding to the throne such as the case of Queen Victoria. With the local Parliament of Lower Saxony (alternatively referred to as Hanover) split, a referendum was held among the local public and in a historical, and triumphant moment, the results were overwhelmingly in favour of abolishing the Salic Law and into maintaining the current union. Eventually, the proposed bill was formally granted royal assent as soon as news of the birth of the future queen was announced nationwide.

In all, this occasion formally marked the end of Hanover's 182 year old usage of the Salic Law since the establishment of Hanover's royal institution in 1814 under George III.


Not really, no, since there has only been one coronation since the nation was founded. /Skip and wink
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Postby Santa Selena » Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:10 am

Les Fils de Lucifer wrote:
Hanoverian Great Britain wrote:Despite a temporary split in the union between the United Kingdom and Hanover during the short reign of Queen Victoria, the union between the respective countries has since been restored and currently remains well preserved into the modern day. However, this union was once more put to the test in the year of 1996, when in a sudden, an official announcement was released declaring that the then reigning king William VI's successor was to be a female. This revelation, which came around a month before the birth of the current Queen Alexandra, raised doubts about a potential abolition of Hanover's longstanding Salic Law, which had then barred females from succeeding to the throne such as the case of Queen Victoria. With the local Parliament of Lower Saxony (alternatively referred to as Hanover) split, a referendum was held among the local public and in a historical, and triumphant moment, the results were overwhelmingly in favour of abolishing the Salic Law and into maintaining the current union. Eventually, the proposed bill was formally granted royal assent as soon as news of the birth of the future queen was announced nationwide.

In all, this occasion formally marked the end of Hanover's 182 year old usage of the Salic Law since the establishment of Hanover's royal institution in 1814 under George III.


The abolition of Salic law is something to be applauded. It had its uses and was generally a useful tool in maintaining male supremacy within patriarchal societies, but that is no longer the case in the modern world and only locks out potentially great leaders from the throne.
The most distinguishing trait of les Fils de Lucifer in comparison to other mafia-type criminal organisations is its strong Satanist influences. In addition to its name, which translates to ‘the Sons of Lucifer’, the Detroit-based crime syndicate also incorporates Satanist symbology and iconography in its symbols, language and inner workings. It is believed that made men within les Fils de Lucifer are required to bind themselves to an oath that resembles Omertà in the presence of a shrine or statue with Lucifer’s likeness and to spill their own blood to seal it. Those who break this oath are often executed by fire along with whoever might be a threat to the group itself.

Umm, at least I know another reason to stay away from Detroit!


Santa Selena is actually one of the few countries to have colonies oversea territories, these being Tao Moin and Zak. The way we got Tao Moin was from purchasing an island off of the coast of China for 50 Billion in 1911. Ever since then, China has been trying to regain it, but due to these contracts, they're unable to. Tao Moin has since become a city of the likes of Macau, with the revenue from trade and more adding up to more than 100 Billion in profit.
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Postby Grootfries Rijk » Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:26 am

I'm just surprised they haven't just occupied it and taken it over like the Indians did with Goa. If the only legal claim Saint Selena has to the island is a piece of paper, then effective occupation would easily do it in.
Frisian West Indies is a collective name given to the possessions of Frisia in the Caribbeans. Legally speaking, each of these colonies (the entirety of which are located on the islands of New Heligoland, New Ljouwert, Frisoland, New Ditmarsh, New Dykeland and New Grins) is owned by a collection of different Frisian Colonial and Trade companies and the position of Frisian government is only to protect the investment of companies that belong to the Frisian people. The total population of Frisian West Indies is around 25,000 as they are primarily trading stations, manufactories and "company towns" built to settle said manufacturers and traders.
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Kingdom of Frisia | Cyningdōm Frīsland
Iċ mæġ wiþerbelifiġe Frisia Magna en wende hit to ān "āgentīdeliċ"-ūtġiefe þis landes
Nov 21, 1689

Current Mission: Dismantling Portugal
Kingdom of Frisia declares war on Portugal over Portugal's unwarranted aggression in the West Indies, pledges to 'make them pay for the grave insult'. | Portuguese forces invade, capture Oswaldburh in the Walbeeck Islands. | Frisian EIC seizes Macau after successful amphibious assault. | Khmer rebels defeat Pasai forces in the Second Battle of Oudong. | Persian forces cross the Hormuz Strait, seize the fortress of Khasab. | Jerusalem, Parma, Tuscany and the Papal State join the Austrian-led Holy League against the Mukhtarid Empire.

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Postby Borgevia » Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:22 pm

Somehow that reminds me of Disney building employee hotel rooms or Amazon taking care of their IT team as a means of keeping them working over 10 hours with little breaks. While that is quite efficient, I shudder at how dystopian that sort of sound.


Borgovia, of all democracies, have the most stringent regulations on who a President or Prime Minister can appoint. For example: Due to "Separation of Duties", a Businessman or Economist are not allowed to hold 'high offices' in the Federal Government. They can be Members of Parliament or an Advisory committee, but are forbidden from being President (Executive), Prime Minister (Legislative), Governors (Federal State), or Regional Directors (Collection of States). In a corporate setting, Separation of Duties (or, Segregation of Duties) is an internal control system in place to prevent fraud. The same way you don't want a Programmer to have authority in Finance (Fraud in approving funds for projects) is the same way an Oil Executive should not be President: This is a recipe for fraud and thus, would be damaging to Democratic Integrity under the Amendment of "Paradox of Tolerance". Paradox of Tolerance means you need to be intolerant of intolerance otherwise the intolerant will turn the tolerant society intolerant. In relation, Borgovia must be aggressive in curbing all security holes to prevent as much fraud as possible, to be undemocratic (banning CEOs from holding office) towards what will make Democracy undemocratic.This can be compared to working for government in the USA: If you work for State or Federal government, you can't get a second job in a corporate setting as it will risk conflict of interests between Public and Private sectors.

Various departments like Technology, Environmentalism, Micro/Macro economics, etc apply this same rule. You are not allowed to hold positions in an EPA equivalent if you do not come from such backgrounds, specifically those that requires knowledge of Environmental Science. You are not allowed to be a part of a GDP Growth committee if you're not academically and professionally well versed in Micro or Macro economics. You're not allowed to be a Federal Judge dealing with Constitutional Law if you do not have a background in Constitutional Law. You're forbidden from holding a Dept of Treasury position if you have a Physics degree since that position requires Finance or Accounting knowledge. While Programmers, Plumbers, and Social Workers can run for PM or President, they also must prove they have some political experience to avoid fraud in government. A Plumber or Social Worker is unlikely to have a conflict of interest between their field and politics than if, say, you have someone who sat on the Board of Wal-Mart or billionaires in Real Estate hold such positions. The temptation for fraud is very high in that area, but very unlikely for a Nurse or Welder.
Was once a ruthless capitalist Corporate State in South America (1800s - 1950s), but has since reformed into a Social Democratic, Federal, Parliamentary Republic whose politics is 90% of my irl views. We're Italo-Spanish-Chinese influenced and thus there's a lot of Chinese and Greco-Roman cultural references.

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Kingdom of Frisia | Cyningdōm Frīsland
Iċ mæġ wiþerbelifiġe Frisia Magna en wende hit to ān "āgentīdeliċ"-ūtġiefe þis landes
Nov 21, 1689

Current Mission: Dismantling Portugal
Kingdom of Frisia declares war on Portugal over Portugal's unwarranted aggression in the West Indies, pledges to 'make them pay for the grave insult'. | Portuguese forces invade, capture Oswaldburh in the Walbeeck Islands. | Frisian EIC seizes Macau after successful amphibious assault. | Khmer rebels defeat Pasai forces in the Second Battle of Oudong. | Persian forces cross the Hormuz Strait, seize the fortress of Khasab. | Jerusalem, Parma, Tuscany and the Papal State join the Austrian-led Holy League against the Mukhtarid Empire.

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Postby Rooseveltian-America » Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:21 pm

That's actually pretty interesting how your government handles people trying to get into office, I'm not sure what else to say about though.

In the year 1885, a group of explorers were searching the Atlantic ocean in search of the long lost city of Atlantis. After months of searching, they came across a sunken city that held much highly advanced technology, one of the explorers found a symbol, which they deciphered, eventually finding out that they found the long lost city of Atlantis itself. The explorers were not only stunned at their discovery, but they found out that the long lost city was much more advanced than they had thought. Soon, after returning with their discoveries, the world soon gathered to the location of Atlantis to take the technology for their own. The United States, under the pressure of being potentially conquered by the European powers, decided to take some of the technology for their own and deconstruct it to make their own. After a period of five years, the United States started to dramatically increase their way of life with the new inventions their citizens were making, improved automobiles that didn't have to be refueled for months, electric trains, advanced zeppelins, and even new firearms for the average American to use for hunting and self-defense.

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Postby Godular » Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:46 pm

There is a series by SM Stirling called the Black Chamber that looks at what the US would be like under Teddy Roosevelt if he held power a lot longer.

The storyline presented in your factoid seems like too many things at once. But I'm probably just spoiled for that era now.




The Godulans as a people were never the most militarily adept folks around, and they knew it. Even early on in their history, they worked at all times to make up for their relative lack of strategic skill with innovation and sheer ferocity. Compared to their contemporaries at the time, they were seen as nerds that had the resources and determination to brute-force their way through any problem. Even now, this has marked influences on their overall combat strategy. A common adage of Godulan Military Policy is: 'When in doubt, go all-out!'

They may have been nerds, but they were also seen by outsiders as possessed of a temperament similar to that of wolverines.

Wolverines have been known to kill enemies many times their size.
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Postby Russo-Galician-French Alliance » Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:18 pm

oh god oh fuck the Wolverines are like Tiberium Wars commandos aaaAAAA




The Battle of the Margate Bay, circa 1959, or the Humiliation of the Royal Navy, was a stunning defeat in the Euroforces-Eurosoviet War, it had taken place in Margate, Southern England, during the battle, two Missile Submarines managed to sneak past Royal Navy defenses and cripple the entire Royal Navy in one fell swoop.

During the initial hour, two Alliance Armed Forces Missile Submarines, USS Vigo and USS Normandy, managed to sneak their way to Margate Harbour, which was hosting several Naval Yards for the Royal Navy, then Vigo opened fire, destroying British Destroyer HMS Margate, Normandy focused its missile fire on the Naval Yards, which went down after 3 Salvos from Normandy.

After Normandy destroyed the Naval Yards, Vigo continued its killing spree, destroying Iowa-class Cruiser HMS Thunderbolt, and detonating the ammunition of British Gunboats HMS Marshal Ney and HMS Canterbury, causing a chain reaction that detonated nearby ships as well, casualties included HMS Maidstone, an Iowa-class Cruiser, HMS Tonbridge, a Town-class Guided Missile Destroyer, and HMS Harrow, a Wasp-class Aircraft Carrier.

Normandy and Vigo soon continued their killing spree, leaving nothing alive in Margate Bay, the Mobile Construction Vehicle there and its buildings were razed to the ground by the missile fire, and all the ships there were turned to scrap metal in mere hours.

The United Kingdom had lost its entire Naval Force, and humiliating it in front of its Euroforces Allies, who condemned the UK for disgusting neglect of its Navy, the Royal Navy Admirals believed to be responsible for this neglect were fired and executed by Euroforces High Command, and the United Kingdom lost all of its pre-existing ships, forcing it to rebuild, finishing in 1961, one year before Operation Red Berry.

The United Kingdom had assumed nothing was audacious enough to sneak into the waters of the Royal Navy, which was a fatal flaw, the second fatal flaw was that they concentrated all their ships there to re-arm them in the same location in preparation for an invasion of the UER, which would not come to pass thanks to this 'battle'.

Vigo and Normandy returned back home to tell the tale, the crews being awarded the Eurosoviet Medal of Supreme Honor, the highest honor in the newly-formed Alliance Armed Forces.
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A world where Red Alert went mad and Stalin nuked the Allies, here's a union comprised of an ex-Allied Nation, Galicians attempting to save themselves, and Russians on the road to recovery.

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Postby Grootfries Rijk » Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:30 am

That's... huh. The closest thing we've had in our history was in the second Battle of London, which directly led to the First Great Fire of London (1556), also destroying 60% of the English Navy. Mind you, England was nowhere close to a naval power at this point (nor will it ever really become in our timeline but that's irrelevant) so they're not really strange. But still, crippling the entire Navy with only 2 subs? Wow.


Frisian West Indies is a collective name given to the possessions of Frisia in the Caribbeans. Legally speaking, each of these colonies (the entirety of which are located on the islands of New Heligoland, New Ljouwert, Frisoland, New Ditmarsh, New Dykeland and New Grins) is owned by a collection of different Frisian Colonial and Trade companies and the position of Frisian government is only to protect the investment of companies that belong to the Frisian people. The total population of Frisian West Indies is around 25,000 as they are primarily trading stations, manufactories and "company towns" built to settle said manufacturers and traders.
Kingdom of Frisia | Cyningdōm Frīsland
Iċ mæġ wiþerbelifiġe Frisia Magna en wende hit to ān "āgentīdeliċ"-ūtġiefe þis landes
Nov 21, 1689

Current Mission: Dismantling Portugal
Kingdom of Frisia declares war on Portugal over Portugal's unwarranted aggression in the West Indies, pledges to 'make them pay for the grave insult'. | Portuguese forces invade, capture Oswaldburh in the Walbeeck Islands. | Frisian EIC seizes Macau after successful amphibious assault. | Khmer rebels defeat Pasai forces in the Second Battle of Oudong. | Persian forces cross the Hormuz Strait, seize the fortress of Khasab. | Jerusalem, Parma, Tuscany and the Papal State join the Austrian-led Holy League against the Mukhtarid Empire.

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Borgevia
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Postby Borgevia » Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:18 am

That has a very Britishesque logic to it, and honestly, that's actually one of the better ways to operate a colony: Not directly own it, but keep it as a 'master planned' community. Perhaps it could also be a tourism hotspot?


Due to Borgovian politics favouring younger people to run ('young' as in people under 60 with political experience to keep the country adaptive and flexible as opposed to stagnant as seen in the EU and US), it eventually did create rifts with other countries due to widening age gaps. Take 2020: Victor Chang is a Gen Xer, his Parliament is mostly Gen Xer with some Millennials joining in, older Zoomers are running for local offices. It's what led to what many perceive as 'radical' policies like how Borgovia took aggressive measures against Covid-19 (shutting down borders with hotspots, freeze all billing/taxes, providing food and supplies to vulnerable populations, babysitting foreigners via freezing their visa duration until it's safe for them to willingly leave, etc) but also made Borgovians bold in calling out what they perceive as international inaction against threats that concerns younger people, like Gen Xers & Millennials.

President Chang closed borders with the United States in March 2020 despite it not being an epicentre due to Parliament's prediction that the USA would be a disaster: They voted against public healthcare in the middle of a pandemic, they have a large homeless population, despite having the same index case as S. Korea the country took almost no action, even Democrats didn't act until it got bad. No test kits and no contact tracing while Korea managed to do it. Around April, President Chang's prediction came true. Travels to and from the UK was also banned when Johnson failed to handle the pandemic. Before that, it caused a rift with Americans who are aware Victor clashed with Boomers from the US and EU over environmentalism, social welfare, market regulation/deregulation, and handling global conflicts. For the first time, US Democrats saw that the world not only think Republicans are insane, but Boomer Democrats as well. Boomers on Twitter rambling about Borgovia's President being some Putin asset didn't help their image either, ignoring that Borgovia's the most strict about the Maninsky Act (all non-trade and non-diplomatic travels between Borgovia and Russia is banned). It also energised American Millennials and Zoomers who used Borgovia as example of why Boomers need to get out of politics, or how Democrat's inaction towards environmentalism, income inequality, horrendous education system, etc is a laughingstock; disliking Trump is not enough and US/UK Boomers are being mocked and criticised to no end, Xer/Millennials in both countries also became bold and sought to force their way into politics inspired by Borgovia's younger government.

The biggest irony though is that Victor Chang is one of the more 'conservative' member of the Progressive Party, he's basically an adherent to Taiwan's Three Principles of The People but with a Western Social Democratic twist. The Liberal Party, a pro-market party, also stated they "...reject the Laissez-Faire doctrine. We see the numbers differently, a market that promotes shared opportunity and prosperity... will bring shared tranquility and democracy" which is a hit to US Democrats who think Social Welfare is something to be debated while trying to align themselves with political parties of the 1st world.
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Postby The Great-German Empire » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:14 pm

My reaction to this 'interesting fact' is that the AN''s author loves feeling superior, with 'boomers' as a primary target. In a country where younger people would actually be 'encouraged' to run, they would also be coached in manipulation, corrupt profit and shutting down other young politicians who don't go through the proper channels. The innovations they would bring to the table would be new ways to better people's lives but better and more subtle ways to control them.



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Postby Hanoverian Great Britain » Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:23 am

While I am too shortsighted to comment on the actual specifications, I could agree however that it is certainly a mark of advancement in the technology of weaponry

Since the 18th century, the tradition of monarchs holding power over the government has largely decreased, rendering them, alongside the royal family into politically neutral states. However in 1961, the Queen Lauren Act 1961 was famously passed, following heavy campaigning and personal advocacy by the then American-born and part-time actress Queen Lauren, the consort of King Albert. Reportedly, the then queen had been worried of her 11 year old son's privacy and safety from the public media, as a result of increased coverage due to her acclaimed past before becoming queen consort.

As a result, she famously met and conversed several times with the then Prime Minister Harold Macmillan to propose a bill which would enact stringent reductions on the freedom of media coverage of high-profile people, which at that time was said to had exclusively targeted British paparazzi. The bill, after much debate concerning issues such as the freedom of press was momentously passed and was subsequently named in honour of the then Queen for her admirable effort and advocacy.
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Postby Grootfries Rijk » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:00 am

Honestly I wouldn't call this 'holding power over the government' much less keeping the government accountable, but if this 'right of privacy' only extends to royalty or 'people of high profile', it should be struck down.
It must be taken into account that slavery as a concept is just not accepted in Frisia. For an example, during the capture of the Spanish colony of Santiago (OTL Jamaica), the commanding admiral freed all 500 African slaves in the colony. With that in mind, back-breakng labor as punishment for property-related crimes is accepted. For that purpose, most criminals guilty of property-related crimes are shipped to the Frisian colonies in the West Indies to work on Plantations. Things become more complicated where native Africans are concerned: native tribesmen are tolerated by colonists and attempts are typically made to faciliate trade to benefit both sides -after all, Frisians are there to trade- but provided said natives raid or attack Frisian settlements in Africa, they are shipped en masse to the West Indies to serve 10-25 year-long sentences in the plantations.
Kingdom of Frisia | Cyningdōm Frīsland
Iċ mæġ wiþerbelifiġe Frisia Magna en wende hit to ān "āgentīdeliċ"-ūtġiefe þis landes
Nov 21, 1689

Current Mission: Dismantling Portugal
Kingdom of Frisia declares war on Portugal over Portugal's unwarranted aggression in the West Indies, pledges to 'make them pay for the grave insult'. | Portuguese forces invade, capture Oswaldburh in the Walbeeck Islands. | Frisian EIC seizes Macau after successful amphibious assault. | Khmer rebels defeat Pasai forces in the Second Battle of Oudong. | Persian forces cross the Hormuz Strait, seize the fortress of Khasab. | Jerusalem, Parma, Tuscany and the Papal State join the Austrian-led Holy League against the Mukhtarid Empire.

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Postby Persagonian Republic » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:31 am

Hard labor in a foreign distant land is still bad tho even though slavery is "not accepted" in Frisia. I wonder what might've influenced their mindset. Maybe religious or pragmatic reasons.


The current Iranian administration has very complicated relationship with Shia Muslims outside of Iran as the state juggles between geopolitical realpolitik and appeasing its Shia populace. Under the Regent, he proclaimed that Iran is the "protector of all Shias living outside of its borders" for the sake of winning religious support for his government. After all, Iran wants proxies that would fit their views and wrestle control from the Khomeinist Quds.

In Afghanistan, Iran supported the so-called "Tehran Nine" Shia groups loosely-aligned with the Mujahideen in resisting against the Afghan communist government. This was during the "Iran-Afghan Affair" where the US would give military support to Iran during the Iran-Iraq War only if they supported the Mujahideen alongside Punjabistan. That only ended in 1987 when Afghanistan renounced communism and Iran pressured Shia groups to align with the new Afghan government.

In Lebanon, Iran clandestinely supported the Maronite-supremacist Lebanese Republic under the Kataeb as well as tacitly supporting Israel just for them to fight against Hezbollah (most of the IRGC commanders went to Lebanon to build Hezbollah). Yet Iran is actively encouraging fragmentation within group divided between the Pro-Quds and Pro-Iranian forces as well as publicly denouncing the Lebanese Republic and Israel's aggressive maneuvers around Palestine (Palestine is independent in our world).
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Postby Nacrad » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:22 am

Hah! The shi'ite-sunni split is still not rectified? Well I say bomb and gass all sunnis peacefully integrate the sunnis into the shi'ite populace.




Unlike most federal republics, Nacrad actually has set up a legal and peaceful process (albeit convoluted and requires 2 referendums) for states to secede. This was begrudgingly set up after the lengthy and highly controversial lawsuit against the Federal Government after it had passed Amendment III, which states that states are bound "in perpetuity". This case is studied as the Commonwealth of Oswain v. Federal Government in law universities around the nation. The lawsuit concluded that:

"The Constitution clearly states that the Federal Republic is a voluntary union. Thus, the Federal Government shall be obligated to set up a legal pathway for the states' withdrawal from the union, as the petitioning of independance alone is proof enough that the state hereto is no longer voluntarily in the union. As a result, it is my honour to rule that that lack of a legal pathway to independance is unconstitutional, and that the National Assembly has sixty days to repeal Constitutional Amendment III and set up a legal process for secession."

This references Chapter I of the Constitution, "The Federal Republic". Specifically, I-1, which states "The Federal Republic of Nacrad, shall ordain itself as the federation of states, voluntarily bound under the shared goal and banner of labour and friendship."

This means that, unlike many other federal republics, Nacrad's states may withdraw given that it receives support nationwide.
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Postby Hanoverian Great Britain » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:47 am

Well, as democratic as it sounds, it is certainly a crooked and a laughable curse on Nacrad itself, especially with the power of the media and advanced communication technologies. Anything could happen and a continuous streak of civil wars is not an impossibility.

Following the birth of Queen Alexandra in 1996, while the newborn princess was generally received in Britain, her popularity however somewhat skyrocketed in her mother's home country of Norway, leading to a small group of Norwegians, joined by a minority of Brits to peacefully advocate for an amendment towards Norway's succession law which would favor in Alexandra's mother Märtha Louise becoming heir apparent to her father Harald V, which would subsequently allow the future Queen Alexandra to become sovereign of both Britain and Norway.

However, this movement was immediately criticised by the fact that the aforementioned amendment would possibly result in termination of Alexandra's parents' marriage which could lead to a major succession crisis. However, as of now, she is currently third in line behind her uncle Crown Prince Haakon and cousin Prince Olav though it is unlikely for her to ever succeed to the Norwegian throne.
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Postby Grootfries Rijk » Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:12 pm

These forms of succession crises are what makes monarchy so amusing to watch. Of course, given both these countries are nation-states with strong parliamentary practice this wouldn't necessarily mean much -Canada and the UK aren't the same country even if they're in PU.


It must be taken into account that slavery as a concept is just not accepted in Frisia. For an example, during the capture of the Spanish colony of Santiago (OTL Jamaica), the commanding admiral freed all 500 African slaves in the colony. With that in mind, back-breakng labor as punishment for property-related crimes is accepted. For that purpose, most criminals guilty of property-related crimes are shipped to the Frisian colonies in the West Indies to work on Plantations. Things become more complicated where native Africans are concerned: native tribesmen are tolerated by colonists and attempts are typically made to faciliate trade to benefit both sides -after all, Frisians are there to trade- but provided said natives raid or attack Frisian settlements in Africa, they are shipped en masse to the West Indies to serve 10-25 year-long sentences in the plantations.
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Kingdom of Frisia | Cyningdōm Frīsland
Iċ mæġ wiþerbelifiġe Frisia Magna en wende hit to ān "āgentīdeliċ"-ūtġiefe þis landes
Nov 21, 1689

Current Mission: Dismantling Portugal
Kingdom of Frisia declares war on Portugal over Portugal's unwarranted aggression in the West Indies, pledges to 'make them pay for the grave insult'. | Portuguese forces invade, capture Oswaldburh in the Walbeeck Islands. | Frisian EIC seizes Macau after successful amphibious assault. | Khmer rebels defeat Pasai forces in the Second Battle of Oudong. | Persian forces cross the Hormuz Strait, seize the fortress of Khasab. | Jerusalem, Parma, Tuscany and the Papal State join the Austrian-led Holy League against the Mukhtarid Empire.

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