NSG Senate Coffee Shop: We don't serve decaf

[The New World Oceania]

Don't we need to pass a bill on how elections will be held before we can elect a President? Hell, we haven't even voted to have a President.

Well. We aren't having a supreme leader, so it's a default President it seems.

You literally haven't read the Supreme Leader proposal. I don't think you know where to find it. You have never laid eyes upon it. This is comparable to a grade-school dropout telling me where I should go for grad school.

[Maklohi Vai]

Well. We aren't having a supreme leader, so it's a default President it seems.

You literally haven't read the Supreme Leader proposal. I don't think you know where to find it. You have never laid eyes upon it. This is comparable to a grade-school dropout telling me where I should go for grad school.

*admin hat on*

Calm down.

[The Nihilistic view]

Regardless of the nature of the outburst the fact remains we can't have elections before the position of president is a legal position. Otherwise we are just electing the president of nothing in particular who carries all the authority of a dead fish.

So timetabling it before we pass a bill is pointlessly stupid.

[Kralta]

Regardless of the nature of the outburst the fact remains we can't have elections before the position of president is a legal position. Otherwise we are just electing the president of nothing in particular who carries all the authority of a dead fish.

So timetabling it before we pass a bill is pointlessly stupid.

Is it going to take us sixteen more days to pass the act?

[Belmaria]

Regardless of the nature of the outburst the fact remains we can't have elections before the position of president is a legal position. Otherwise we are just electing the president of nothing in particular who carries all the authority of a dead fish.

So timetabling it before we pass a bill is pointlessly stupid.

Is it going to take us sixteen more days to pass the act?

Probably not that long. Maybe a week, if we all chip in and steamroll it through.

[Maklohi Vai]

Yes, we set elections with the presumption that we'd get something passed in 16 days, hoping that wasn't too much to ask.

[Maklohi Vai]

Coming back to this post, I've talked with Beta and Ainin and we thought a queue is actually a good idea. It will be maintained by volunteers until the official government comes in.

Damn old fogies.

On another note, are we allowed to move to table bills in the Chamber?

They're automatically tabled if they have 5 sponsors. No queue until we have a government, though.

[The Liberated Territories]

Been working on this. Thank you Drago.

PROPERTY ACT (name pending)

ARTICLE I.
Definition of Property
Property shall be defined as the right and/or interest which a person has in land and labor to the exclusion of others.

ARTICLE II.
Entitlement of Property:
All citizens, by their right of self ownership, are granted the right to obtain, retain, modify, distribute, and destroy their property, so long as it doesn’t infringe on the same rights of others.

ARTICLE III.
Recognizance of Property:
The recognition of claims of property shall be upheld by the government of the Calaverde.

ARTICLE IV.
Acquisition of Property:
-Homesteading
Property which is not owned by a private individual or group nor is owned by the government, may be claimed by any individual or group, provided that property has been put artificial value into by that individual or group.

-Inheritance
Property may be given to any receiving party upon the death of the owner of that property. In this situation, those who receive the property of the deceased shall be entirely dictated by the last will and testament of the deceased owner. Property which is not inherited shall be ceded to the next of kin.

ARTICLE V.
Transfer of Property:
The transfer or trading of property between two consenting parties shall be respected and recognized by the government of Calaverde.

ARTICLE VI.
Compensation of Property:
Compensation for the acquisition of property by any party must involve the acquiring party to pay the full value of the property in question.

ARTICLE VII.
Enforcement of Property:
The government of Calaverde shall have the responsibility to protect the property of all citizens and businesses in possession of property within Calaverde. Protection of property by the government may be through means of police, fire, and disaster management or any means deemed necessary to protect property.

ARTICLE VIII.
Eminent Domain:
Eminent Domain shall be restricted to public works only, and only in the public benefit. Property owners who have had their residences or businesses destroyed shall be compensated for the full market value of their property, plus equal value restitution for the projected profit loss if an enterprise or business.

[Lykens]

Eminent domain shouldn't be allowed. Who's to determine whether that old lady's house needs to be demolished for a new park, is in public benefit?

[The Liberated Territories]

Eminent domain shouldn't be allowed. Who's to determine whether that old lady's house needs to be demolished for a new park, is in public benefit?

I agree, but the majority would never allow it.

[Ainin]

Eminent domain shouldn't be allowed. Who's to determine whether that old lady's house needs to be demolished for a new park, is in public benefit?

This person.

[The Liberated Territories]

Eminent domain shouldn't be allowed. Who's to determine whether that old lady's house needs to be demolished for a new park, is in public benefit?

This person.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacie ... ority.html

[Ainin]

(Image)

This person.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacie ... ority.html

"This sort of reasoning is fallacious when the person in question is not an expert."

The judiciary is not an expert in administering justice.

[The Liberated Territories]

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacie ... ority.html

"This sort of reasoning is fallacious when the person in question is not an expert."

The judiciary is not an expert in administering justice.

So if the person was an expert, and said the sky was purple, would I believe them because they have authority?

[The Liberated Territories]

Been working on this. Thank you Drago.

PROPERTY ACT (name pending)

ARTICLE I.
Definition of Property
Property shall be defined as the right and/or interest which a person has in land and labor to the exclusion of others.

ARTICLE II.
Entitlement of Property:
All citizens, by their right of self ownership, are granted the right to obtain, retain, modify, distribute, and destroy their property, so long as it doesn’t infringe on the same rights of others.

ARTICLE III.
Recognizance of Property:
The recognition of claims of property shall be upheld by the government of the Calaverde.

ARTICLE IV.
Acquisition of Property:
-Homesteading
Property which is not owned by a private individual or group nor is owned by the government, may be claimed by any individual or group, provided that property has been put artificial value into by that individual or group.

-Inheritance
Property may be given to any receiving party upon the death of the owner of that property. In this situation, those who receive the property of the deceased shall be entirely dictated by the last will and testament of the deceased owner. Property which is not inherited shall be ceded to the next of kin.

ARTICLE V.
Transfer of Property:
The transfer or trading of property between two consenting parties shall be respected and recognized by the government of Calaverde.

ARTICLE VI.
Compensation of Property:
Compensation for the acquisition of property by any party must involve the acquiring party to pay the full value of the property in question.

ARTICLE VII.
Enforcement of Property:
The government of Calaverde shall have the responsibility to protect the property of all citizens and businesses in possession of property within Calaverde. Protection of property by the government may be through means of police, fire, and disaster management or any means deemed necessary to protect property.

ARTICLE VIII.
Eminent Domain:
Eminent Domain shall be restricted to public works only, and only in the public benefit. Property owners who have had their residences or businesses destroyed shall be compensated for the full market value of their property, plus equal value restitution for the projected profit loss if an enterprise or business.

FYI this may be used in a future bill of rights, with Ark and my co-authorship at least.

[Ainin]

"This sort of reasoning is fallacious when the person in question is not an expert."

The judiciary is not an expert in administering justice.

So if the person was an expert, and said the sky was purple, would I believe them because they have authority?

If the person was an expert in analysing the colour spectrum of the sky and there was no obvious evidence contradicting them, sure, why not?

[Ainin]

[Arkolon]

Much happen in the last 5 pages or can I just skip it?

[Lykens]

Much happen in the last 5 pages or can I just skip it?

A couple of people arguing over drug decriminalization, victimless crimes, what constitutes a victimless crime, and some other things. You can just skip it.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Eminent domain should exist. Otherwise progress would be non existent as there can be people with only a square meter in his ownership and to demand massive amounts of money for it.
Edit: About the drug issue myself personally see it as promoting drugs. I have no sympathy for people that due to their own drive to show how independent or cool they are take drugs and later develop an addiction. I have even less sympathy for the dealers. It goes as far as saying that even 30 years in prison is not a big punishment for what they do.

[Costa Fierro]

Because I am a pedantic motherfucker:

Amendments to the Police Establishment and Powers Act
Drafted by: Senator Carlos Alvarez Campos
Sponsors: Kouralia (apparently), New Zephua

RECOGNIZING: The valuable contribution to society that the reform of the police forces that the Police Establishment and Powers Act has made.

NOTING: That there are one or two issues with the act that have not been fully resolved.

HEREBY PROPOSES THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS:

Section One:
1A: Changes the mandated uniform in Section 6, Paragraph 1 of the Police Establishment and Powers act to omit the requirements for a winter dress uniform.

2A: Omits Paragraph 2 of Section 6 in its entirety.

3A: Proposes a change to Paragraph 2, Section 6 as the following: “All police vehicles shall wear markings to be determined by a selected committee of senators and law enforcement officials.” The committee shall deliberate on the new livery requirements and make decisions through votes or consensus.

[Geilinor]

Do we really need a committee of senators to choose police car livery?

[Costa Fierro]

Do we really need a committee of senators to choose police car livery?

Do we need battenburg markings?

[Britanno]

Do we need battenburg markings?

Does it fucking matter?

[Costa Fierro]

Do we need battenburg markings?

Does it fucking matter?

I think it does. I think it's a ridiculous proposal.