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Postby Oneracon » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:40 am

The Realm of God wrote:Man translates into Latin as homo, homo is used in the modern sense to denote humanity such as Homo Sapian. Therefore as a suffix, man denotes a human.being, so there is no problem is there.


I see the dots, Senator, but I fail to see the connections.
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Postby Fulflood » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:41 am

The Realm of God wrote:Man translates into Latin as homo, homo is used in the modern sense to denote humanity such as Homo Sapian. Therefore as a suffix, man denotes a human.being, so there is no problem is there.

A translation doesn't mean those words are exactly equivalent.
Also, if -man were generally agreed to denote a human being, why would people so comfortably use terms such as 'policewoman'?

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Political correctness is a buzzword created by reactionaries to describe social consideration.



I think that not codifying a societal assumption that certain professions should be associated with males is fairly important. As for "PC", see above.

Why is it do hard to call a girl a her and a boy a him? I mean seriously why does that matter if they feet called by a gender name? If someone's a transgender person then you call them by the gender they associate with. I mean I'm not going to go around going "look at it!" or "he's an it" as it takes away their human aspect. Honestly Coasta brought up a good point we have no forign policy and no Immagration plan but some how what we call people is more important?

I don't think you quite understand what we're talking about. I'm fine (and I think most of us are) with calling that person a chairman or chairwoman once they're in the position, but when we're talking about the position in an abstract sense, many of us would argue that no gender-related terms should be used.
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Postby Oneracon » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:44 am

Pyreneesia wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Political correctness is a buzzword created by reactionaries to describe social consideration.



I think that not codifying a societal assumption that certain professions should be associated with males is fairly important. As for "PC", see above.

Why is it do hard to call a girl a her and a boy a him? I mean seriously why does that matter if they feet called by a gender name? If someone's a transgender person then you call them by the gender they associate with. I mean I'm not going to go around going "look at it!" or "he's an it" as it takes away their human aspect. Honestly Coasta brought up a good point we have no forign policy and no Immagration plan but some how what we call people is more important?


You are going off on a tangent, Senator.

If you are in favour of calling "a girl a her and a boy a him" then wouldn't you be opposed to a bill that refers to the position in an abstract sense as a chairman?
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Postby Pyreneesia » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:03 am

Ok thank you for the clarification. Of Course of it just the position your talking about in general I dont see an issue with calling it the chair but regarding the person in charge yes. However my idea of it being a secondary issue still stands.
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Postby Oneracon » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:15 am

Pyreneesia wrote:Ok thank you for the clarification. Of Course of it just the position your talking about in general I dont see an issue with calling it the chair but regarding the person in charge yes. However my idea of it being a secondary issue still stands.


Well I agree with you there. It is a minor issue to what is otherwise a good bill.
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Postby Ainin » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:42 am

Seriously, people. The word "chairperson" exists for a reason...
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:55 am

Ainin wrote:Seriously, people. The word "chairperson" exists for a reason...

True.
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:58 am

Stratocracy bill?
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Postby Ainin » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:59 am

CTALNH wrote:Stratocracy bill?

...good luck finding someone to help you turn Aurentina into a military state.
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:00 am

Ainin wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Stratocracy bill?

...good luck finding someone to help you turn Aurentina into a military state.

I think somebody actually took some time to go draft a bill.
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:27 am

CTALNH wrote:Stratocracy bill?

A giant Nay
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:28 am

Geilinor wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Stratocracy bill?

A giant Nay

Aye you mean Aye
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Postby Oneracon » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:29 am

Ainin wrote:Seriously, people. The word "chairperson" exists for a reason...


Or we could just use "Chair" to refer to a person heading a meeting, it's been used since the 1650s
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Postby Unicario » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:30 am

CTALNH wrote:
Geilinor wrote:A giant Nay

Aye you mean Aye


Stop twisting words, Senator.
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Postby Ainin » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:31 am

Oneracon wrote:
Ainin wrote:Seriously, people. The word "chairperson" exists for a reason...


Or we could just use "Chair" to refer to a person heading a meeting, it's been used since the 1650s

I think it sounds a bit dehumanizing to refer to someone as a "chair". "Chairperson" sounds a bit nicer, don't you think?
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Postby Oneracon » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:33 am

Ainin wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Or we could just use "Chair" to refer to a person heading a meeting, it's been used since the 1650s

I think it sounds a bit dehumanizing to refer to someone as a "chair". "Chairperson" sounds a bit nicer, don't you think?


How is referring to them as anthropomorphic furniture any better? :lol:
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Postby Welsh Cowboy » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:35 am

I don't see any issue with saying chairman, but I also think that this is a stupid debate and I think chairperson should be inserted.
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:46 am

Ainin wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Or we could just use "Chair" to refer to a person heading a meeting, it's been used since the 1650s

I think it sounds a bit dehumanizing to refer to someone as a "chair". "Chairperson" sounds a bit nicer, don't you think?

It isn't dehumanizing, it's metonymy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metonymy Like how the name of a national capital or the building it's situated in is used to represent the government, how we call reporters the "press", or how monarchies are referred to as the "crown.
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:52 am

Unicario wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Aye you mean Aye


Stop twisting words, Senator.

Emmm.....
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Postby Royalsoldiers » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:07 am

Commercial Usage of Railways
Urgency: Medium


Drafted By: Senator Nicholas Alford, Royalsoldiers [CFE]
Co-Authored By: Cronos Republic [CFE]
Sponsors: Cronos Republic [CFE], Byzantium Imperial [NIFP], Ainin [TR], Potenco [RG], Saint Haden [CFE], Pyreneesia [PC]

Defines Commercial Usage as the use of a railway by a private business as a means of transporting goods or products over large or short distances.

Recognizes [If the Railways Act Carries] that the railways of the nation belong to the people. Meaning that all Aurentines have the right to use the railways for proper purposes.

Assigns the task of determining whether the usage of railway by a private citizen is proper or legal to the local Railway Usage Committee who will mandate a basic set of guidelines on proper usage and determine whether or not a citizen's purpose is reasonable and will not harm other members of society. If their ruling is appealed by the citizen, the case is brought to the National Railway Usage Committee

Article 1-Usage of Railways For the Movement of Products

A-Gives any business the right to bring their case to the nearest Railway Usage Committee. They also are given the right to appeal to the National Railway Usage Committee.

B-The act hereby recognizes that railways are a major asset for the transportation of goods around a nation no matter the size.

C-Reserves the right of the government is regulate what they may transport and how they transport their goods along the national railways. This may include but not limited to the fuel, carbon emissions, and maintenance of the trains.

Article 2-Usage of Railways for the Transportation of People

A-Recognizes that many people use above-ground and underground railways, often referred to as subways, to get to work on travel across the nation for their own purposes.

B-Establishes a government subsidy in the railway transportation of people along short and long distances. This is to ensure that all citizens receive a fair price for their travel.

C-States that the Minister of Transportation is assigned the task and responsibility of determining a proper subsidy to private companies dedicated to the railway transportation of citizens.

D-Reserves the right of the government to perform regular inspections of the trains to ensure their safety to the individual citizen and the general public.

E-Reserves the right of the government is regulate what they may transport and how they transport their goods along the national railways. This may include but not limited to the fuel, carbon emissions, and maintenance of the trains.

Article 3-On Article 7 of the Railways Act

A-Assigns the task of developing total-electricity powered trains that are efficient and effective to the Ministry of Research and Astronomy and private partners that they may sponsor.

B-In the case that the Railways Act fails to carry, renders Article 3 null and void.

Article 4-Personal Usage of Railways

A-Personal Usage of Railways may reserved to farmers and other producers of essential goods if they wish to not use other companies or groups to transport their goods.

B-Requires that all citizens seeking personal usage of railways must bring their cause in front of the local Railways Usage Committee.

C-Only allows the usage of railways for personal usage if the purpose is to transfer essential goods and not the transportation of people.

D-Allows only citizens of Aurentina to be allowed to apply or request usage of the railways for personal usage.

Article 5-The Usage of Railways by the International Community

A-Allows the national government to use their discretion in deciding whether to allow usage of the railways through and out of Aurentina by a foreign nation or group.

B-Requires that the Senate vote on whether or not usage of our railways for that nation should be allowed and outlawed.

C-Points out that much of international trade is by railway and that our railways are a necessary tool for international trade of commodities whether private or public.
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Postby Royalsoldiers » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:09 am

CTALNH wrote:Stratocracy bill?


I believe my answer exists in the alphabet itself, abcdefghijklmNOpqrstuvwxyz

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Postby Geilinor » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:10 am

Royalsoldiers wrote:
Commercial Usage of Railways
Urgency: Medium


Drafted By: Senator Nicholas Alford, Royalsoldiers [CFE]
Co-Authored By: Cronos Republic [CFE]
Sponsors: Cronos Republic [CFE], Byzantium Imperial [NIFP], Ainin [TR], Potenco [RG], Saint Haden [CFE]

Defines Commercial Usage as the use of a railway by a private business as a means of transporting goods or products over large or short distances.

Recognizes [If the Railways Act Carries] that the railways of the nation belong to the people. Meaning that all Aurentines have the right to use the railways for proper purposes.

Assigns the task of determining whether the usage of railway by a private citizen is proper or legal to the local Railway Usage Committee who will mandate a basic set of guidelines on proper usage and determine whether or not a citizen's purpose is reasonable and will not harm other members of society. If their ruling is appealed by the citizen, the case is brought to the National Railway Usage Committee

Article 1-Usage of Railways For the Movement of Products

A-Gives any business the right to bring their case to the nearest Railway Usage Committee. They also are given the right to appeal to the National Railway Usage Committee.

B-The act hereby recognizes that railways are a major asset for the transportation of goods around a nation no matter the size.

C-Reserves the right of the government is regulate what they may transport and how they transport their goods along the national railways. This may include but not limited to the fuel, carbon emissions, and maintenance of the trains.

Article 2-Usage of Railways for the Transportation of People

A-Recognizes that many people use above-ground and underground railways, often referred to as subways, to get to work on travel across the nation for their own purposes.

B-Establishes a government subsidy in the railway transportation of people along short and long distances. This is to ensure that all citizens receive a fair price for their travel.

C-Reserves the right of the government to perform regular inspections of the trains to ensure their safety to the individual citizen and the general public.

D-Reserves the right of the government is regulate what they may transport and how they transport their goods along the national railways. This may include but not limited to the fuel, carbon emissions, and maintenance of the trains.

Article 3-On Article 7 of the Railways Act

A-Assigns the task of developing total-electricity powered trains that are efficient and effective to the Ministry of Research and Astronomy and private partners that they may sponsor.

B-In the case that the Railways Act fails to carry, renders Article 3 null and void.

Article 4-Personal Usage of Railways

A-Personal Usage of Railways may reserved to farmers and other producers of essential goods if they wish to not use other companies or groups to transport their goods.

B-Requires that all citizens seeking personal usage of railways must bring their cause in front of the local Railways Usage Committee.

C-Only allows the usage of railways for personal usage if the purpose is to transfer essential goods and not the transportation of people.

D-Allows only citizens of Aurentina to be allowed to apply or request usage of the railways for personal usage.

Article 5-The Usage of Railways by the International Community

A-Allows the national government to use their discretion in deciding whether to allow usage of the railways through and out of Aurentina by a foreign nation or group.

B-Requires that the Senate vote on whether or not usage of our railways for that nation should be allowed and outlawed.

C-Points out that much of international trade is by railway and that our railways are a necessary tool for international trade of commodities whether private or public.

For 2b, how much would the subsidy be?
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:11 am

Royalsoldiers wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Stratocracy bill?


I believe my answer exists in the alphabet itself, abcdefghijklmNOpqrstuvwxyz

Why???????
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby Ainin » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:12 am

CTALNH wrote:
Royalsoldiers wrote:
I believe my answer exists in the alphabet itself, abcdefghijklmNOpqrstuvwxyz

Why???????

Because no one wants a military government, is that so hard to understand?
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Postby Oneracon » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:12 am

CTALNH wrote:
Royalsoldiers wrote:
I believe my answer exists in the alphabet itself, abcdefghijklmNOpqrstuvwxyz

Why???????


Because it didn't work for Burma.
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