[DRAFT] Liberate NAZI EUROPE

[Unibot II]

basically they are trying to refound the region in the hopes the Condemnation will be gone.

It would be, but it could very quickly be re-instated. It's not a viable way to dodge a condemnation.

But would they want to?

It sets the precedent that the admins will have to continually do this. What if a region is condemned with a generic name, and resurrected in five years.. do they have to go through the process of repealing? Isn't it wrong for the World Assembly to set a prejudge against a new community?

[Sedgistan]

Not necessarily, but that's a discussion that would arise when such an event happens.

[Unibot II]

Not necessarily, but that's a discussion that would arise when such an event happens.

And this is why we end up with so many cataclysmic dramatic debates.. because we never think these things through.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Isn't half this resolution basically illegal for using gameplay-specific language?

The Security Council,

Having considered the following annotations:

Annot.1 § NAZI EUROPE has had a long and extensive history with the Security Council, since its original condemnation with SC#3 and a second condemnation with SC#37. Nevertheless, it is a healthy region with a particularly inactive founder,

Annot.2 § On Jan. 23 2011, NAZI EUROPE's delegate, Laos Refugees passworded the region and proceeded without warning or consent to ban the region's most prominent members. Although there are conflicting reports about the reasons behind this puzzling situation due to the delegate's self-identification as a spy, there does appear to one prevailing and reasonable intention: by refounding the region, Laos Refugees will be able to semi-circumvent NAZI EUROPE's condemnation. Though this action will not 'repeal' SC#37 from the books, it will remove the condemnation badge,

Annot.3 § Refugees of this crisis are staying in Black Front and have spoken out against these rash and destructive actions by Laos Refugees,

Believing that whether or not this is the actual intent behind Laos's actions or not, this unconsented liberation will cause the condemnation badge to be removed, which suggests that the World Assembly should take action to prevent the circumvention of its legislation especially when this circumvention does not have the support of NAZI EUROPE's natives,

Hereby Liberates NAZI EUROPE.

Founders are not "inactive," nor can nations be accurately described as "spies" or "refugees" or "natives," or even by nicknames ("Laos"). In the same manner regions do not wear "badges" and while they can certainly be founded, they can't be "refounded", or "passworded" for that matter.

And I'm willing to bet that if a region dies off completely and is refounded with the same name, the badge will reappear, even if the new region has nothing whatsoever to do with the old one. The game code is not that sophisticated.

[St George of England]

Oh the irony.


Then again, in favour. For teh lulz.

[Tati Playtime]

*wipes tears of laughter from eyes*

This is a joke right and therefore should have been posted in 'Silly SC proposals'. Sedge, please end this nonsense forthwith.

Annot.1 § nazi europe has had a long and extensive history with the Security Council, since its original condemnation with SC#3 and a second condemnation with SC#37. Nevertheless, it is a healthy region with a particularly inactive founder,

Should read as follows: nazi europe has a long and infamous history...Nevertheless, it is a region run with a proven degenerate ideology or history in ns.
The wording of this paragraph is suspect, particularly the use of the words 'healthy region'. Even with Laos's so called 'racist ban' ne would never let Jews (note, not trolls) flying the Israeli flag into the region.

Annot.2 § On Jan. 23 2011, NAZI EUROPE's delegate, Laos Refugees passworded the region and proceeded without warning or consent to ban the region's most prominent members...

This is irrelevant because the region still has a founder, who inactive or not, is still the founder. You would have better luck getting this passed by banning them (The Dictatorship of The Confederate Empire) from the game, which is something I cant see happening.

Annot.3 § Refugees of this crisis are staying in Black Front and have spoken out against these rash and destructive actions by Laos Refugees,

Nazis, yes nazis, are now 'refugees' and are speaking out against 'rash and destructive' actions!
(That bit really did crack me up and should really be the nail in the coffin of this proposed liberation resolution).

Believing that whether or not this is the actual intent behind Laos's actions or not, this unconsented liberation will cause the condemnation badge to be removed, which suggests that the World Assembly should take action to prevent the circumvention of its legislation especially when this circumvention does not have the support of nazi europe's natives,

We now have nazis complaining about 'unconsented liberation', well they should know all about the pros and cons of that.

For the above reasons, I here by ask for this 'liberation' proposal to be rejected as soon as possible.

(To Scarsaw and the other nazi revisionist clowns, you had this coming for so long and now you run to the sc who you have previously criticized on many occasions for its 'unfair' treatment of ne.
Scarsaw, I have no interest if your mother converted to Judaism. You support a real life ideology that has been proven without an iota of doubt to be totally corrupt and morally bankrupt in its treatment and subsequent genocide of certain sections of humanity. You can witter on to your hearts content about how nazi germany was doing fine until the Wannsee Conference, but the reality of the situation was that certain groups of people knew that the writing was on the wall long before this and decided to leave, if they could. Did you hear the one about the Jew who wanted to remain a resident of nazi germany? No, neither did I.
For your information sound systems, oh how we remember those halcyon genocidal days, DID discuss the most 'efficient way' of gassing jews on the rmb of ne).

[Unibot II]

Isn't half this resolution basically illegal for using gameplay-specific language?

The Security Council,

Having considered the following annotations:

Annot.1 § NAZI EUROPE has had a long and extensive history with the Security Council, since its original condemnation with SC#3 and a second condemnation with SC#37. Nevertheless, it is a healthy region with a particularly inactive founder,

Annot.2 § On Jan. 23 2011, NAZI EUROPE's delegate, Laos Refugees passworded the region and proceeded without warning or consent to ban the region's most prominent members. Although there are conflicting reports about the reasons behind this puzzling situation due to the delegate's self-identification as a spy, there does appear to one prevailing and reasonable intention: by refounding the region, Laos Refugees will be able to semi-circumvent NAZI EUROPE's condemnation. Though this action will not 'repeal' SC#37 from the books, it will remove the condemnation badge,

Annot.3 § Refugees of this crisis are staying in Black Front and have spoken out against these rash and destructive actions by Laos Refugees,

Believing that whether or not this is the actual intent behind Laos's actions or not, this unconsented liberation will cause the condemnation badge to be removed, which suggests that the World Assembly should take action to prevent the circumvention of its legislation especially when this circumvention does not have the support of NAZI EUROPE's natives,

Hereby Liberates NAZI EUROPE.

Founders are not "inactive," nor can nations be accurately described as "spies" or "refugees" or "natives," or even by nicknames ("Laos"). In the same manner regions do not wear "badges" and while they can certainly be founded, they can't be "refounded", or "passworded" for that matter.

And I'm willing to bet that if a region dies off completely and is refounded with the same name, the badge will reappear, even if the new region has nothing whatsoever to do with the old one. The game code is not that sophisticated.

"delegate's self-identification as a spy," <--> " Laos's actions " , these bits I'd be concerned about, the others have been used before with the exception of the condemnation badge, I don't think that should be a RIV violation because the badge may exist in a roleplay context. If it is, it's just another legitimate gameplay qualm that RIV forces us to ignore and make our resolutions as weak as dishwater for tea -- and I wouldn't bet against the mods being capable of making such a terribly short-sighted decision either.

[Sedgistan]

"Condemnation badge" would be a problem, calling a nation a 'spy' possibly is (though we've had nations called 'sleepers' recently). "Laos" should just be changed to "Laos Refugees".

Re-founding, founder, inactive, passwording, natives and refugees (in the way it's used) are all fine.

[Laos Refugees]

This is quite outrageous. I have spoken to many of the nations that are in Black Front about refounding the region, the issue was, who was going to refound it. When I told them that it should be me, they knowingly started to support Scarsaw to take the delegate position from me. I have done nothing wrong, and there is nothing wrong with the region. I have contacted the founder, just so he knows that this is the best plan. Sure, it'll take me a estimated 50 days to remove everyone, due to foolish way I went through with the plan, but it still will work. This has less to do with a condemnation then it does with having a more active founder.

[Frattastan]

I have done nothing wrong

Forum destruction

[Laos Refugees]

I have done nothing wrong

Forum destruction

Clarify.

[The Rich Port]

I'm confused as to what the hell's going on...
But I know for a fact the Nazis in Nazi Europe aren't really racists, so FOR.

FYI you're stereotyping right off the bat, I recall one nation Sharpadurka that ceased to exist that was incredibly anti-semitic and when asked by one of my puppets states if he/she was in RL they proudly answered yes

No... I'm not. YOU are. The majority of "Nazis" in Nazi Europe are National Socialists/Fascists, which does not necessarily make you racist.

This is quite outrageous. I have spoken to many of the nations that are in Black Front about refounding the region, the issue was, who was going to refound it. When I told them that it should be me, they knowingly started to support Scarsaw to take the delegate position from me. I have done nothing wrong, and there is nothing wrong with the region. I have contacted the founder, just so he knows that this is the best plan. Sure, it'll take me a estimated 50 days to remove everyone, due to foolish way I went through with the plan, but it still will work. This has less to do with a condemnation then it does with having a more active founder.

It would be nice if we heard the founder say this.

[Laos Refugees]

This is quite outrageous. I have spoken to many of the nations that are in Black Front about refounding the region, the issue was, who was going to refound it. When I told them that it should be me, they knowingly started to support Scarsaw to take the delegate position from me. I have done nothing wrong, and there is nothing wrong with the region. I have contacted the founder, just so he knows that this is the best plan. Sure, it'll take me a estimated 50 days to remove everyone, due to foolish way I went through with the plan, but it still will work. This has less to do with a condemnation then it does with having a more active founder.

It would be nice if we heard the founder say this.

But you're not. He's too inactive, hell its been two years since he's even commented on the regional message board. He should know that this is better. If I truly wanted to take out Nazi Europe, just for some, blind hatred towards it, then this would show that there needs to be a new founder.

[The Rich Port]

It would be nice if we heard the founder say this.

But you're not. He's too inactive, hell its been two years since he's even commented on the regional message board. He should know that this is better. If I truly wanted to take out Nazi Europe, just for some, blind hatred towards it, then this would show that there needs to be a new founder.

Knowing all of this... He somehow made enough time to contact you? Aren't YOU special?

It would only take the bugger 5 seconds to say "I endorse Laos Refugees' political movements" and this whole issue would die.

[Tati Playtime]

Just to clarify, Laos, did you write the following tg?

"Go nuts, you call it.

Most amusing out look you have there. I've always hated National Socialism, yet you fools opened your arms and called me a comrade. You all should have listened to Poed Metalhedz, he was the only one who thought that a Asian in N.E was suspicious. But here I am, it took me a full year to pool enough trust so I could cause more turmoil for N.E. Some might call me a Communist spy, but that is not the truth. I am amused at how easily this worked, the forums are trashed, the region full of inactive children, and the founder isn't going to do anything, why would he? Now I get to sit back and watch and see what happens to N.E, one of the inactive nations will probably become delegate, and then leave having no idea what to do."

[Aglrinia]

FYI you're stereotyping right off the bat, I recall one nation Sharpadurka that ceased to exist that was incredibly anti-semitic and when asked by one of my puppets states if he/she was in RL they proudly answered yes

You said yourself that the nation CTE and so not apart of NE, nor are they an accurate representation of the members. In addition, for anyone who knows their NS history, it is known that NE did allow racists years ago but has stopped within the last year; before Laos locked the region, it was clear that any racist or antisemitic members would be banned. If Sharpadurka came back to NE today, he too would have been removed...which ones again renders your argument void.

If the founder is unable to find time for the godforsaken region he created, then I see no reason why the Security Council should.

So why are regions without a founder, who apparently cannot find the time to even log into NS, are attended to by the Security Council? If you are basing everything off of how active a founder is, than NE should have more justification than a region like Republicans as at least our founder isn't CTE, only inactive.

First off i'm not going to argue with someone that has countless palindromes in their argument, whilst frankly being head of a raider region i'm against nearly all liberation therefore I don't care the slightest about the region of the republicans i thought it was funny when a region call the republicans needed to be liberated.

[Aryan Shield]

Details are that sometime this morning EST, Laos banned senior members and other actives. He locked down the region and is slowly kicking, he proclaimed that he is a spy, he sent that TG to another NE native that i can and will retrieve for you. He also has layed numerous insults on me and my other compatriots.

I noticed there are only 45 nations left in NE at this time. Laos purged the region and has used ALL his Delegate powers to do so. He wants to re-found the region. To cause mayhem and confusion he also raised the Star of David over the Region; which since then has been replaced. I don't know what Laos is up to but until the civil war is over I strongly recommend NOT challenging the condemnation; but rather, his leadership. This is the only way to Liberate the region.

Those that have a problem with national socialism should take care in choosing their words. Lastly; a Condemn or Commend should be for the actions of the region; not the government type it represents.

[Laos Refugees]

But you're not. He's too inactive, hell its been two years since he's even commented on the regional message board. He should know that this is better. If I truly wanted to take out Nazi Europe, just for some, blind hatred towards it, then this would show that there needs to be a new founder.

Knowing all of this... He somehow made enough time to contact you? Aren't YOU special?

It would only take the bugger 5 seconds to say "I endorse Laos Refugees' political movements" and this whole issue would die.

He never contacted me, I contacted him, by sending him a telegram. Amazing, truly. If he logs in, then he'll read the message, and hopefully understand. If not, then that simply means that he would prefer that 'spys' like me could get in power. And no, Tati playtime. I did not. I assume Scarsaw, set you up to this, or maybe Vandengradde? But really, it doesn't matter. I didn't spend time fighting the condemnation, supporting National Socialism on the forums, and coming to my regional peers defense just so I could hijack a region and scream "Hey, I'm a spy, you bloody idiots".

[Tekcirb]

Yes Kill Fascism

[The Rich Port]

First off i'm not going to argue with someone that has countless palindromes in their argument, whilst frankly being head of a raider region i'm against nearly all liberation therefore I don't care the slightest about the region of the republicans i thought it was funny when a region call the republicans needed to be liberated.

Your bias is duly noted.

He never contacted me, I contacted him, by sending him a telegram. Amazing, truly. If he logs in, then he'll read the message, and hopefully understand. If not, then that simply means that he would prefer that 'spys' like me could get in power. And no, Tati playtime. I did not. I assume Scarsaw, set you up to this, or maybe Vandengradde? But really, it doesn't matter. I didn't spend time fighting the condemnation, supporting National Socialism on the forums, and coming to my regional peers defense just so I could hijack a region and scream "Hey, I'm a spy, you bloody idiots".

Has anyone actually SPOKEN to the founder before?

Scarsaw?

[Laos Refugees]

Has anyone actually SPOKEN to the founder before?

Scarsaw?

Probably Oh my days and Good Nazis, that's all that comes to mind, as they were the delegates before me and worked with him when he was active.

[Nazis in Space]

Laos Refugee's hilarious meltdown serves as a most illuminating example of why people were opposed to the glorious homeland of Nazi Europe and its most aryan population being refounded by him - psychologically unstable characters don't make for the most effective of founders.

Admittedly, they do make for pretty entertaining outbursts of erage. Ah, I remember way back when, in the bunker, when Göring requested chancellorship... Great laugh.

Adolf Hitler's Brain in a Jar & Mecha, out.

[The Rich Port]

Has anyone actually SPOKEN to the founder before?

Scarsaw?

Probably Oh my days and Good Nazis, that's all that comes to mind, as they were the delegates before me and worked with him when he was active.

Where the hell are all these people?

And why did YOU suddenly become delegate?

[Laos Refugees]

Probably Oh my days and Good Nazis, that's all that comes to mind, as they were the delegates before me and worked with him when he was active.

Where the hell are all these people?

And why did YOU suddenly become delegate?

Where are they? They ceased to exist a long time ago, like dust in the wind. Originally Telemia was going to be delegate, but unfortunately, he couldn't as he was busy with his military career. This whole situation would probably have been abandoned if I never unbanned Scarsaw, German Dragons, Christian Reich, and Vandegradde from the region, as they were banned by the delegate before me , Oh my days, for good reason.

[Aglrinia]

Where the hell are all these people?
And why did YOU suddenly become delegate?

He's been delegate for a decent amount of time if i'm correct, if I had to guess i'd say half a year...