Condemn The Greater German Reich (again)

[Saigonsin]

Due to lack of well written proposals for this condemnation, I've decided I'll take a crack at it.

Condemn The Greater German Reich
RECOGNIZING that new regions need time to grow, and without this time, new nations will stay in the default region, not allowing them to voice their opinions, shrinking the community.

RECOGNIZING that The Greater German Reich raids regions that are either developing or new, not allowing them to grow at all and take advantage of features before learning about the threat of raids.

FURTHER RECOGNIZING that The Greater German Reich forces it's nations to participate in raids, and ejects and bans those who do not do so.

ASSERTING that above mentioned actions threaten the community, making condemnation the only option.

STRENUOUSLY ASSERTING that this condemnation has nothing to do with this regions ideology,

HEREBY CONDEMNS
The Greater German Reich

[Dinarii]

Due to lack of well written proposals for this condemnation, I've decided I'll take a crack at it.

Condemn The Greater German Reich
RECOGNIZING that new regions need time to grow, and without this time, new nations will stay in the default region, not allowing them to voice their opinions, shrinking the community.

RECOGNIZING that The Greater German Reich raids regions that are either developing or new, not allowing them to grow at all and take advantage of features before learning about the threat of raids.

FURTHER RECOGNIZING that The Greater German Reich forces it's nations to participate in raids, and ejects and bans those who do not do so.

ASSERTING that above mentioned actions threaten the community, making condemnation the only option.

STRENUOUSLY ASSERTING that this condemnation has nothing to do with this regions ideology,

HEREBY CONDEMNS
The Greater German Reich

Evidence? Again...See the commentary on the other Proposal. it applies just as much. This also needs some structural work, but that's neither here nor there.

[Durkadurkiranistan II]

Well, they're a bunch of Nazis which is a good enough reason for me vote to condemn.

[Lykosia]

Wait, we already have the "[PROPOSAL] Condemn The Greater German Reich", is this allowed?

[Flemingovia]

How about this:

"The Security Council

Taking the view that the Greater German Reich is a threat to defenceless regions
Having the opinion that they have ruthlessly oppressed their own nations and other regions
Evidenced by their invasion of (insert region of choice here)
Yet accepting their right to indulge in the raiding aspect of Nationstates life

Acknowledge widespread disgust at the attitudes of this region and
revulsion at their attitudes and actions
Equally feels shock and dismay at this region.

Nevertheless condemns this region
And calls on them to reform their practices
Zealously maintains the purity of the security council
Isolates this community through worldwide revulsion
States its opposition to the tactics used by GGR. "

Easy if you know the code.

[Unibot II]

How about this:

"The Security Council

Taking the view that the Greater German Reich is a threat to defenceless regions
Having the opinion that they have ruthlessly oppressed their own nations and other regions
Evidenced by their invasion of (insert region of choice here)
Yet accepting their right to indulge in the raiding aspect of Nationstates life

Acknowledge widespread disgust at the attitudes of this region and
revulsion at their attitudes and actions
Equally feels shock and dismay at this region.

Nevertheless condemns this region
And calls on them to reform their practices
Zealously maintains the purity of the security council
Isolates this community through worldwide revulsion
States its opposition to the tactics used by GGR. "

Easy if you know the code.

I've already tried something like that, the mods caught it.

[Flemingovia]

it wasn't exactly a serious suggestion. But it was fun to write

[Arisinga]

Our poloitical ideals and actions are in no way different than any other region that participates in raiding. And those new regions should have the common sense to kick out regional invaders. The Greater German Reich is invaded all the time by radical communists and clone nations. We just got attacked today. Yes, we are usually on the offence, indeed, our region is filled with Anti-Semites, but not all nations have an extermination program. I dont. So I am requesting that you withdraw this proposed condemnation on a region thats like any other major party based region.

[Volkhan]

And neither are nations forced into raiding, this is another baseless proposal.

Where is your evidence?

[Yasew]

i certainly agree. action should be taken

[Socialist States Owen]

Personally, I think we should all band together and raid the Greater German Reich.

[Saigonsin]

Personally, I think we should all band together and raid the Greater German Reich.

I've been trying to rally support for such action, but no one seems to want to.

[Saigonsin]

Our poloitical ideals and actions are in no way different than any other region that participates in raiding. And those new regions should have the common sense to kick out regional invaders. The Greater German Reich is invaded all the time by radical communists and clone nations. We just got attacked today. Yes, we are usually on the offence, indeed, our region is filled with Anti-Semites, but not all nations have an extermination program. I dont. So I am requesting that you withdraw this proposed condemnation on a region thats like any other major party based region.

I have nothing to say.

[Chaosbull]

all hail all raided we will take back the WA from the corrupt defender scum who control it, you know getting condemned, one shows that the wa is run by defenders (because only raider regions get condemned) also 70% of regions that get Liberate dies off or loses all it nations, at lest when a regions become apart of a raiders empire, they can join a active forum and live free of there region dieing

[St George of England]

As 'repulsive' as you may think the GGR's politics and ideology are, condemning a region for said politics and ideology is AGAINST THE FRIGGIN' RULES. Provide some evidence for these supposed 'crimes' (and fyi, IT IS there, if you look, albeit, imo, in too small a number to condemn them) and then maybe submit.

A Tip: Have a look at other passed Condemnations, you'll see they're a lot more developed that this.

[Saigonsin]

As 'repulsive' as you may think the GGR's politics and ideology are, condemning a region for said politics and ideology is AGAINST THE FRIGGIN' RULES. Provide some evidence for these supposed 'crimes' (and fyi, IT IS there, if you look, albeit, imo, in too small a number to condemn them) and then maybe submit.

A Tip: Have a look at other passed Condemnations, you'll see they're a lot more developed that this.

I never said ANYTHING about their politics, and it's very hard to get proof because when their founder or delegate is on, they kick a crapton of people.

[Saigonsin]

all hail all raided we will take back the WA from the corrupt defender scum who control it, you know getting condemned, one shows that the wa is run by defenders (because only raider regions get condemned) also 70% of regions that get Liberate dies off or loses all it nations, at lest when a regions become apart of a raiders empire, they can join a active forum and live free of there region dieing

(Assuming that percentage is real.)And that gives YOU the right to raid them? I'm pretty sure that's the goal of your raids anyway.
Also, USE SPELL CHECK, PLEASE.

[Saigonsin]

New version.

Condemn The Greater German Reich
RECOGNIZING that new regions need time to grow, and without this time, new nations will stay in the default region, not allowing them to voice their opinions, shrinking the community of the world.

RECOGNIZING that The Greater German Reich raids regions that are either developing or new, not allowing them to grow at all and take advantage of features before learning about the threat of raids.

FURTHER RECOGNIZING that The Greater German Reich forces it's nations to participate in raids, and ejects and bans those who do not do so.

PROVEN by The Greater German Reich's constant ejection and banning of members.

ASSERTING that above mentioned actions threaten the community, making condemnation the only option.

STRENUOUSLY ASSERTING that this condemnation has nothing to do with this region's ideology,

HEREBY CONDEMNS
The Greater German Reich

[Selegnia]

RECOGNIZING that The Greater German Reich raids regions that are either developing or new, not allowing them to grow at all and take advantage of features before learning about the threat of raids.

False

FURTHER RECOGNIZING that The Greater German Reich forces it's nations to participate in raids, and ejects and bans those who do not do so.

False

I've lived in the GGR for months, and can tell that what you write is an invention. People there are very nice and active and we only ban nations that insult our people in the forum. Some regions should learn about this. And... was Republicans a new region, trying to develop? Don't make me laugh.

[Saigonsin]

RECOGNIZING that The Greater German Reich raids regions that are either developing or new, not allowing them to grow at all and take advantage of features before learning about the threat of raids.

False

FURTHER RECOGNIZING that The Greater German Reich forces it's nations to participate in raids, and ejects and bans those who do not do so.

False

I've lived in the GGR for months, and can tell that what you write is an invention. People there are very nice and active and we only ban nations that insult our people in the forum. Some regions should learn about this. And... was Republicans a new region, trying to develop? Don't make me laugh.

Putting false next to my claims doesn't help you at ALL.
Nice? Raiding new regions isn't very nice.
Nice? Forcing the SC to take three days to fully liberate Republicans isn't very nice.
Only ban people who insult you on the forums? I've been on the forums, I've seen very little insults, but tons of bans.
Republicans was starting to develop, but were against your fascist ideologies, so you raided them, aka censorship.

And you can seem to dish out a shit ton of hate, but can't seem to take any sort of criticism.

[Chaosbull]

all hai raiders

[Sedgistan]

all hai raiders

Please make some effort to debate the proposal.

[TheThanksgiving Turkey]

RECOGNIZING that The Greater German Reich raids regions that are either developing or new, not allowing them to grow at all and take advantage of features before learning about the threat of raids.

False

FURTHER RECOGNIZING that The Greater German Reich forces it's nations to participate in raids, and ejects and bans those who do not do so.

False

I've lived in the GGR for months, and can tell that what you write is an invention. People there are very nice and active and we only ban nations that insult our people in the forum. Some regions should learn about this. And... was Republicans a new region, trying to develop? Don't make me laugh.

The truth between Slengnia and the proposer of the resolution is indeed murky. I can concur with Slengnia that to my knowledge nations were not forced to participate in raids (instead they used WA multis). Republicans was raided because us natives were few in number, not because we didn't know about raids. That said this turkey appreciates the spirit of the resolution, even if its execution falls short.

Per recent developments in The Greater German Reich -- they appear to be imploding, besieged by flamers (whose posts in my view border on violating NS' terms of service, but I am not a moderator) bent on stirring up discord for the sake of it -- such that one defender of GGR here in this forum has left the region.

For all the good intentions displayed for this condemnation, I am wary of supporting any of them; as it is hard to determine whether such a designation is really condemning -- or just a badge of stinking honor.

[Cuba Socialista]

The Government of Cuba Socialista wishes that it should be noted that Arisingia left his post as air minister of GGR out of disgust for racist tendencies, also, there is a published argument between a dissenter from the general hate and the racists pushing the line that Communist and Jews are sub human. Please direct yourselves to the RMB post of Free Socialist Canada in the region Communist International League. It was from a discussion I myself observed as well, but didn't print screen. This guy managed to grab the convo and post it on his region.

For those who wish to read it here and verify its audacity there afterwards, here was the discussion on The Greater German Reich's RMB 2 hours ago. Please note that the founder does not care about the racism in the region, and seems to openly endorse it by declaring ADOLF HITLER in bold red letters as their leader.

The GGRs recent forum talks,

The Federal Republic of Matthewnada

49 minutes ago
sigh...there goes one of the greatest leaders this region has ever had....

The Dominion of Volkhan

45 minutes ago
I beleive he did over-react, i was willing to discuss his problems

The Federal Republic of Matthewnada

40 minutes ago
Nikolai has a high moral compass, which is why he had so much contradiction to things here. I look up to him and he will truly be a big part of GGR history. I do not understand him, perhaps....heroes arent as simple as they are in books...

The Dominion of Volkhan

36 minutes ago
All of us here have the highest moral compasses, that is why we are here
If he wishes to ever return i will personally hold no grudge against him.

The Federal Republic of Matthewnada

31 minutes ago
NO, YOU KNOW WHAT, NO YOU DONT!!!
*slams my fist on my desk so hard that the wood breaks*
THIS MASS KILLING AND LYING THAT WE DO IS NOT MORAL, ITS WRONG!!!

The Dominion of Volkhan

24 minutes ago
In what was is it?

Its humane.

The Federal Republic of Matthewnada

21 minutes ago
*I take a swig of scotch*
without nikolai....this region has no heart....no compassion...it isnt human

The Dominion of Volkhan

14 minutes ago
You take things too seriously, we are a compassionate land.
As to the jews and communists, they are only sub-humans, Matthewnada.

Now let us join in a toast to our Reich's glorious future!

The Federal Republic of Matthewnada

6 minutes ago
there is no such thing as a sub human, its all dellusional bull sh^t

The Dominion of Volkhan

3 minutes ago
I would love to go into the subject with you, but sensing your mood at the moment ill leave it to another time.
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The Federal Republic of Matthewnada

2 hours ago

just let me wallow in the shattered hope of this region ever being seen as anything other than evil...

The Mechanicum Imperialis of Mattorn

118 minutes ago

*toasts*

The Armed Republic of Fascist Hungary

100 minutes ago

Communist pigs. We should drive them all out of here.





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Even the people who RP as nazis are tired of the general atmosphere it would seem from the RMB. Surely this shows that the region needs to be condemned and raided.

[St George of England]

Ambassador, you have misunderstood what condemnations are for. Unless some evidence is provided, evidence that is proof of wrong doing and not proof of their ideology, condemning them only serves to repeat the Nazi Europe debacle all over again. Because we will be condemning them for their ideology. I myself would find non-monarchist democracies abhorrent, but I have not drafted a condemnation of Separate Vermont, Fatatuttutti or any number of other democracies.