Commend NAZI EUROPE

[Saddams Kuwait]

Commend NAZI EUROPE
A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.


Category: Commendation

Nominee: NAZI EUROPE

Proposed by: Saddams Kuwait

Description: Believing that NAZI EUROPE's stoicism in the face of unfair condemnation is an example of great bravery;

Further believing that their proud defense of free speech for us all is particularly commendable;

Agreeing that merely advancing the cause of Nazism through speech rather than actions is not inappropriate;

And recognizing their region as a fun and engaging place for nations of all fascistic stripes;

Hereby Commends NAZI EUROPE
Approvals: 1 (Laos Refugees)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 53 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days, 3 hours

[Flemingovia]

I am no great expert on SC resolutions, but isn't this a bit vague? I found myself asking, how have they been stoical? How have they defended free speech? How have they advanced Nazism, and why should advancing Nazism through any means merit my commendation? What makes their region "fun and engaging"?

[Monikian WA Mission]

The Monikian Delegation will be abstaining from this.

[Laos Refugees]

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I grow tired of explaining things, but alias..
I am no great expert on SC resolutions, but isn't this a bit vague? It is, a bit, I agree I found myself asking, how have they been stoical? If I know the definition of stoical correctly, it has been no problem. It's not like the condemnation has put us in tears. How have they defended free speech? Why we have no real problem with ideology's voicing their ideals outside of N.E, we do ban would be trolls, so, eh. How have they advanced Nazism, and why should advancing Nazism through any means merit my commendation? Many nations in N.E have created their own versions on National Socialism, for RP or RL purposes, not that I truly believe that we deserve a pat on the back for it. What makes their region "fun and engaging"? The main members of our region are very sociable with each other, we do indeed enjoy debating over things, but we're no chunky cheese, however. While I have no honest belief this will pass, I shall approve it, because, why the hell not?

[Mallorea and Riva]

This cuts the likelihood of the repeal passing by half.
This should have been drafted. You present no examples, testimony, or any proof. And simply being stoic is not worthy of a commendation. If it was then we would all be worthy of them for being stoic in the face of oppression at different times.

[Flemingovia]

If i read your above post right, you seem to be saying that you do not feel you have done much of anything to merit this particular commendation.

Have I understood you correctly?

(EDIT: the above was in response to LAOS REFUGEES, of course.

[Pythria]

Against. I'll argue for the condemnation's repeal in the name of freedom, but I'm not going to commend them. As I said, (for me) this isn't about the region, it's about the resolution.

[Saddams Kuwait]

:palm:
This cuts the likelihood of the repeal passing by half.
This should have been drafted. You present no examples, testimony, or any proof. And simply being stoic is not worthy of a commendation. If it was then we would all be worthy of them for being stoic in the face of oppression at different times.

I will be telegramming every regional delegate so that they can rest assured that there will be a commendation to follow if they do vote to repeal the condemnation.

[Flemingovia]

i am sure that will help your cause no end.

[Mallorea and Riva]

You realize that you are spamming the queue if that is your intent?

[Ballotonia]

While I can see a pat on the head and a hug being appropriate for a group which has been unfairly targeted and punished for RL events in what should be a GAME, a commendation is likewise a bit much. Best would be for players to realize that NS is a game and treat is as such, and that it isn't appropriate to utilize the game to live out a RL grudge against one group or another. Had most other groups been treated like this, I believe mods and admins would've stepped in long ago. But we're talking 'evil Nazis', so then it's apparently all good.

Agreeing that merely advancing the cause of Nazism through speech rather than actions is not inappropriate;

And this I actually disagree with. Change "not inappropriate" to "legal" and I'd agree.

Ballotonia

[Rezavid]

Our nation reject sadistic states who enjoy people's suffering. Henceforth reject fascism totally.

[Meekinos]

We feel you've only drafted this to harm the repeal's chances of passing. You've effectively crippled our delegation's efforts to rally support to undo an error in the Security Council's history. We hope you're pleased with yourself. You've undone everything we've done in order to get the repeal passed. You're damaging everything we've worked for and demand that you rescind this immediately! You're doing nothing other than giving cause for delegates to vote against the repeal! Forget whatever campaign the delegates who are voting against our repeal may do, this will accomplish exactly that.

[Flemingovia]

I think it only fair to Saddam Kuwait to assume that this is a serious commendation until we see actual evidence to the contrary. Therefore I would ask SK how Nazi Europe have defended free speech for us all? Is it simply by existing, or were you thinking of a specific action of theirs?

[Kryozerkia]

I think it only fair to Saddam Kuwait to assume that this is a serious commendation until we see actual evidence to the contrary. Therefore I would ask SK how Nazi Europe have defended free speech for us all? Is it simply by existing, or were you thinking of a specific action of theirs?

Evidence or links demonstrating would help the development of the proposal. Which is why proposals like Condemn Great Nepal are able to stand up under pressure. Links and evidence was provided; it demonstrated why the actions should be condemned.

[The Republic of Lanos]

I think it only fair to Saddam Kuwait to assume that this is a serious commendation until we see actual evidence to the contrary. Therefore I would ask SK how Nazi Europe have defended free speech for us all? Is it simply by existing, or were you thinking of a specific action of theirs?

Evidence or links demonstrating would help the development of the proposal. Which is why proposals like Condemn Great Nepal are able to stand up under pressure. Links and evidence was provided; it demonstrated why the actions should be condemned.

Don't forget Madam Moderator, that WASC#3 still stands strong despite practically *takes scouter off* OVER 9000! *crushes scouter* repeals. It serves that people do look at the original resolution and decide to vote to repeal or not.

With all that said, it would be the trouble to do research on the whole matter before voting.

I do recall one rumor: if a condemned region or nation were to be commended as well, would the great Max Barry resurrect himself and taketh away the WA with a colossal fireball of extra-dimensional inanity?

[Zoerb]

I do recall one rumor: if a condemned region or nation were to be commended as well, would the great Max Barry resurrect himself and taketh away the WA with a colossal fireball of extra-dimensional inanity?

Mabee thats how Gatesville can actually win...

And umm, this resolution doesn't make much sense. Plus it won't pass in a million years.

[Sedgistan]

I do recall one rumor: if a condemned region or nation were to be commended as well, would the great Max Barry resurrect himself and taketh away the WA with a colossal fireball of extra-dimensional inanity?

Answered ages ago:

It is my happy duty to point out, with gleeful nastiness, that when Max Himself discussed the possibility of a nation being both Commended and Condemned, he nodded his august head, said a meaningful word -- I think it was "meh" -- and opined that it was possible without breaking anything.

Nations/regions can't stack up multiple C&Cs for the same action/set of actions, but if the resolutions address different issues, there's no reason why a nation or region can't collect as many C&Cs as the WA can pass.

[Darenjo]

Dr. Li, Darenjon SC Ambassador, reads over the proposal.

"Well, goodbye any chances of the at-vote repeal passing," he mutters. "And I actually voted for it this time..."

"Most nations, Darenjo included, need proof to vote for a SC proposal. Granted, SC res 3 doesn't offer much in the way of proof, but then again, what is this, the third time that a repeal for it's been on the floor since I've worked here? One of these days it'll pass."

The doctor proceeds to leave the room, to check on the debate and possible injuries in the chamber where the repeal is being debated.

[Bears Armed]

I am no great expert on SC resolutions, but isn't this a bit vague?

No vaguer than the existing condemnation...

[Flemingovia]

This cuts the likelihood of the repeal passing by half.

You've effectively crippled our delegation's efforts to rally support

Well, goodbye any chances of the at-vote repeal passing,

if the repeal was so shaky that this poor attempt at a commend has blown its chances, then it never deserved to pass.

[Meekinos]

This cuts the likelihood of the repeal passing by half.

You've effectively crippled our delegation's efforts to rally support

Well, goodbye any chances of the at-vote repeal passing,

if the repeal was so shaky that this poor attempt at a commend has blown its chances, then it never deserved to pass.

No because it's just plain in bad taste. Especially since the repeal thread has mentions of a potential replacement condemnation, which would focus on actual acts committed by the region. It also makes it appear as though the repeal is supporting the commendation when in fact it isn't. It creates false impression and was badly timed; we wonder if it wasn't done on purpose to detract from our actual argument. It flies in the face of what we're trying to accomplish. We want to erase the mistakes of commending the advancement of any ideology and the condemnation of any ideology. We want a world were we commend great acts of heroism and peace; where we condemn malevolent actions.

[Umbra Ac Silentium]

One of the council members from Umbra Ac Silentium stood up, "Despite us being advocates of freedom of speech and expression, regardless of the held beliefs, we do not believe a group should be commended for merely not oppressing minorities. Nazi Europe neither deserves commendation simply for being a center of controversy. As such, we believe commending should be strictly left to those who do good for the global community, rather than for not being venomous about condemnations. As such, we will neither support or should it come to vote, vote for it." She immediately returned to her seat.

[Saddams Kuwait]

if the repeal was so shaky that this poor attempt at a commend has blown its chances, then it never deserved to pass.

No because it's just plain in bad taste. Especially since the repeal thread has mentions of a potential replacement condemnation, which would focus on actual acts committed by the region. It also makes it appear as though the repeal is supporting the commendation when in fact it isn't. It creates false impression and was badly timed; we wonder if it wasn't done on purpose to detract from our actual argument. It flies in the face of what we're trying to accomplish. We want to erase the mistakes of commending the advancement of any ideology and the condemnation of any ideology. We want a world were we commend great acts of heroism and peace; where we condemn malevolent actions.

What would ever give you that impression. I think NAZI EUROPE is great region people. The best in the game. Make the world safe for more NAZI regions too.

[Durkadurkiranistan II]

LOL. Saddams Kuwait deserves a medal for inadvertently crushing any hope of a repeal (not to mention he is one in a long line of great middle eastern themed nations ). Good stuff.