[PASSED] Injunct Magna Aurea

[Sedgistan]

hiiiiii girlies and non-girlies its 2am and i have a proposal so thanks for getting this far

big w helped me out a lot theyre very cool and sick and dumb and blonde and awesome and great so thank youuuuuu

This most swag body,

Embodying the watchful guardian of foundling regions across this world, ensuring their safe growth into maturity far from the tendrils of malevolence, hungry to choke out life across the multiverse,

Turning its gaze to the fledgling community of Magna Aurea, a region born in the age of Frontiers centered around the cherished tenets of free speech that stood out as an example of what a youthful, aspiring community can achieve,

Shaken that invading forces have recently swept over Magna Aurea, a saddening cloud forecasting doom to its subjugated nations and bright future, crushing any hopes for its development into a flourishing community on the world stage or as a safe haven for any who might seek refuge from the storms of this world,

Stirred that evil may further rain on the world’s ever-sunny parades through various means, bringing grey skies to the region’s bright future by extending permanent control over the region via the installation of a hostile Governor,

Aglow that, with an Injunction, a shimmering ray of hope may shine upon the future of Magna Aurea, greatly increasing its chances of weathering the storm by preventing such a belligerent takeover,

Positive that the community of Magna Aurea will rebound as a radiant collective, bronzed and struck by the whirlwind of opportunity presented by this council’s measures, and appreciating their support of this proposal,

Hereby Injuncts Magna Aurea.

Co-authored by: Westinor

[Peru 2022 RP]

hiiiiii girlies and non-girlies its 2am and i have a proposal so thanks for getting this far

big w helped me out a lot theyre very cool and sick and dumb and blonde and awesome and great so thank youuuuuu

This most swag body,

Embodying the watchful guardian of foundling regions across this world, ensuring their safe growth into maturity far from the tendrils of malevolence, hungry to choke out life across the multiverse,

Turning its gaze to the fledgling community of Magna Aurea, a region born in the age of Frontiers centered around the cherished tenets of free speech that stood out as an example of what a youthful, aspiring community can achieve,

Shaken that invading forces have recently swept over Magna Aurea, a saddening cloud forecasting doom to its subjugated nations and bright future, crushing any hopes for its development into a flourishing community on the world stage or as a safe haven for any who might seek refuge from the storms of this world,

Stirred that evil may further rain on the world’s ever-sunny parades through various means, bringing grey skies to the region’s bright future by extending permanent control over the region via the installation of a hostile Governor,

Aglow that, with an Injunction, a shimmering ray of hope may shine upon the future of Magna Aurea, greatly increasing its chances of weathering the storm by preventing such a belligerent takeover,

Positive that the community of Magna Aurea will rebound as a radiant collective, bronzed and struck by the whirlwind of opportunity presented by this council’s measures, and appreciating their support of this proposal,

Hereby Injuncts Magna Aurea.

Co-authored by: Westinor

1. Rename "This Most Swag Body" to "The Security Council"

[Timiskrane]

I'm not sure the "cherished tenets of free speech" are really things you want to be praising or memorializing about this region, considering that free speech involved embassies with fascist regions and allowing people like Rusticus to run free on their discord, but maybe that's just me.

[Angeloid Astraea]

Oh, so you're also going to Injuct Magna Aurea too? I know it's being attacked by the Sparkling Army of Sparkalia, and our allies in The People's Revolutionary Air Force, The Black Hawks, The Brotherhood of Malice, Lone Wolves United, Osiris' Sekhmet Legion, Ijaka, Lily, and Kantrias. I know it's a big group of intimidating folks too, so defenders and independents must be super interested in its preservation and want to protect it ASAP! I welcome this as a badge, a dedication to our operation that'll forever be in the halls of the Security Council. =D

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

I'm not sure the "cherished tenets of free speech" are really things you want to be praising or memorializing about this region, considering that free speech involved embassies with fascist regions and allowing people like Rusticus to run free on their discord, but maybe that's just me.

Well, that’s a good enough reason for me not to support this attempt.

Edit: oh and the writing is fairly crap as well.

[Fort Concord]

I'm not sure the "cherished tenets of free speech" are really things you want to be praising or memorializing about this region, considering that free speech involved embassies with fascist regions and allowing people like Rusticus to run free on their discord, but maybe that's just me.

Well, that’s a good enough reason for me not to support this attempt.

Timiskrane is being unreasonable. I spoke with one of the natives earlier and once I provided evidence of Raxus' behavior, he made it very clear he wanted him gone. If they come back and refuse to do anything about it that's a different story, but it's absurd to expect the average random native to know everything the GP groups do about Raxus/Rusticus.

[Timiskrane]

Well, that’s a good enough reason for me not to support this attempt.

Timiskrane is being unreasonable. I spoke with one of the natives earlier and once I provided evidence of Raxus' behavior, he made it very clear he wanted him gone. If they come back and refuse to do anything about it that's a different story, but it's absurd to expect the average random native to know everything the GP groups do about Raxus/Rusticus.

This region made non-moderation a core pillar of their community. The administration may not be fascist or problematic in and of itself, but it certainly allowed people like that into their community, as policy. This was part of the consideration given during target selection. Perhaps they've changed their tune now, and if so, then whatever, but it still doesn't explain why on earth you as an author would willingly choose to highlight that aspect of the region when you literally did not have to. I am not expecting you to not liberate MA. I am expecting you to not praise undesirable behaviour in SC resolutions just because the community engaging in it was raided.

[The Ice States]

Timiskrane is being unreasonable. I spoke with one of the natives earlier and once I provided evidence of Raxus' behavior, he made it very clear he wanted him gone. If they come back and refuse to do anything about it that's a different story, but it's absurd to expect the average random native to know everything the GP groups do about Raxus/Rusticus.

This region made non-moderation a core pillar of their community. The administration may not be fascist or problematic in and of itself, but it certainly allowed people like that into their community, as policy. This was part of the consideration given during target selection. Perhaps they've changed their tune now, and if so, then whatever, but it still doesn't explain why on earth you as an author would willingly choose to highlight that aspect of the region when you literally did not have to. I am not expecting you to not liberate MA. I am expecting you to not praise undesirable behaviour in SC resolutions just because the community engaging in it was raided.

Assuming this is true, I have to say that I agree. I will vote for this regardless, but the "free speech" wording should not have been included in the proposal -- honestly, given its position at the very end of the queue (assuming no queue stuffing shenanigans occur in that time), I would prefer that this be withdrawn and resubmitted to remove that wording.

[Angeloid Astraea]

Well, that’s a good enough reason for me not to support this attempt.

Timiskrane is being unreasonable. I spoke with one of the natives earlier and once I provided evidence of Raxus' behavior, he made it very clear he wanted him gone. If they come back and refuse to do anything about it that's a different story, but it's absurd to expect the average random native to know everything the GP groups do about Raxus/Rusticus.

I bet that one native was Ovenerium. They made it very clear in their discussions with us that they are a minority opinion in their own region regarding how to treat extreme political opinions. I can provide links to evidence of this statement if need be, but Overnerium should readily admit that anyway because they seem honest. Just remove the part that praises the "free speech" absolutism and resubmit, it's not that difficult. =/

[Ovenerium]

I am a representative for the meantime of Magna Aurea and I believe we are being misunderstood quickly. As a native player of Magna Aurea, we did indeed embrace being open to people of various opinions. Little did we know that we, who are not regular gameplayers of NationStates, realized that such a premise of goodwill will be a gateway to also be considered part of a community we dont want to be part of: Fascists.

I, me specifically, did not realize we had established friendly relations with so-called Fascist Regions. From my own point of view, we were completely absent minded to that fact, me and a heck load of the Magna Aurea administration. For me, as a new player, they were just embassies which I did not think would hold great meaning or weight. But it seems it does, a realization I had to know harshly. It leaves me to have a question myself to everybody in the gameplay world - Is it a good thing if you attack regions that never had any idea what, which, or who The actors are in the wider gameplay world?

I support any attempts to save the region I call home. And rest assured if we succeed. we will take measures that will help us avoid such measures taken against us.

We are not fascists. We never were. I never was. If you keep labeling as as such, generalizing everyone into one big box labeled Fascists. Then you are wrong.

[The Ice States]

I am a representative for the meantime of Magna Aurea and I believe we are being misunderstood quickly. As a native, we did indeed embrace being open to people of various opinions. Little did we know that we, who are not regular gameplayers of NationStates, realized that such a premise of goodwill will be a gateway to also be considered part of a community we dont want to be part of: Fascists.

I, me specifically, did not realize we had established friendly relations with so-called Fascist Regions. From my own point of view, we were completely absent minded to that fact, me and a heck load of the Magna Aurea administration. For me, as a new player, they were just embassies which I did not think would hold great meaning or weight. But it seems it does, a realization I had to know harshly. It leaves me to have a question myself to everybody in the gameplay world - Is it a good thing if you attack regions that never had any idea what, which, or who The actors are in the wider gameplay world?

I support any attempts to save the region I call home. And rest assured if we succeed. we will take measures that will help us avoid such measures taken against us.

We are not fascists. We never were. I never was. If you keep labeling as as such, generalizing everyone into one big box labeled Fascists. Then you are wrong.

To be clear, I have no issues with liberating the region, and I don't believe you are "fascists" -- I am even currently piling for defenders in Magna Aurea, and would vote for this injunction regardless. My issue is purely with the inclusion of the "free speech" wording in the proposal, which should have been omitted.

[Angeloid Astraea]

I want this Injuction as badge of honor so I want it passed as well. I just want it resubmitted without the free speech bit. It's not like someone is up at this hour ready to manipulate the queue with exactly one proposal during what would be a quick withdraw-resubmit. Everyone went to sleep and I'm about to go to sleep.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Well, that’s a good enough reason for me not to support this attempt.

Timiskrane is being unreasonable. I spoke with one of the natives earlier and once I provided evidence of Raxus' behavior, he made it very clear he wanted him gone. If they come back and refuse to do anything about it that's a different story, but it's absurd to expect the average random native to know everything the GP groups do about Raxus/Rusticus.

It’s called due diligence - if you’re in a leadership role in a region you should be doing checks on who you’re allowing access via Embassies.

I agree average Joe Public in a region probably won’t know - the leadership of the region should.

I want this Injuction as badge of honor so I want it passed as well. I just want it resubmitted without the free speech bit. It's not like someone is up at this hour ready to manipulate the queue with exactly one proposal during what would be a quick withdraw-resubmit. Everyone went to sleep and I'm about to go to sleep.

News flash - however much you harp on about it absolutely nobody apart from yourselves see this as a badge of honour for raiders. All you show by going on and on and on ad nauseam about it is how much leaving you out of the draft hurts your poor little hearts.

[RomanAugustus]

Well, that’s a good enough reason for me not to support this attempt.

Timiskrane is being unreasonable. I spoke with one of the natives earlier and once I provided evidence of Raxus' behavior, he made it very clear he wanted him gone. If they come back and refuse to do anything about it that's a different story, but it's absurd to expect the average random native to know everything the GP groups do about Raxus/Rusticus.

That native was myself. I am investigating now and talking to my colleges after the invaders leave as to what we should do with that guy. I've made it very clear personally to him that hate speech of any kind will never be tolerated.

[Big Boys Ville]

The fact that this is being submitted via a fenda puppet is concerning. Withdraw it and resubmit with your main, unless your too scared

[Ostrovskiy]

Standard libjunct, common procedure, no you won't get "credit", and let's get back to sieging while these 2 pass handily.

[Minskiev]

The fact that this is being submitted via a fenda puppet is concerning. Withdraw it and resubmit with your main, unless your too scared

12 Walruses is my puppet. I submitted it there because it was in the WA and in the region that this proposal targets. If I resigned WA just to submit it on my main, it would inadvertently hurt the liberation effort.

[Mlakhavia]

Support on principle; apparently the raid lead org wants this, so who am I to object? Nevertheless, the 'free speech' clause is incredibly inappropriate.

Freedom of speech is a noble goal, but Magna Aurea's policy - one of the main reasons TCB sanctioned PRAF participation in the operation - is not mere freedom of speech, and should not be condoned. It was explicitly done with language that cultivated a non-moderated space. By no means am I arguing that an Injunction isn't necessary, but I would strongly urge the author to withdraw this and resubmit it without that clause. Free speech absolutism is inherently corrosive for an internet space, and provides potential openings for fascism, an issue that Magna Aurea's leadership might have found themselves mired in had this not been brought to attention. That is not something that should be praised in a protective resolution, and I think we as a community should acknowledge this.

It's not like the SC is stuffed right now, and there's a large time window for an Injunction to take effect. Re-campaigns suck, yeah, but it's better than that clause reaching the floor in the Security Council. I'm with Timi on this one.

[Angeloid Astraea]

I want this Injuction as badge of honor so I want it passed as well. I just want it resubmitted without the free speech bit. It's not like someone is up at this hour ready to manipulate the queue with exactly one proposal during what would be a quick withdraw-resubmit. Everyone went to sleep and I'm about to go to sleep.

News flash - however much you harp on about it absolutely nobody apart from yourselves see this as a badge of honour for raiders. All you show by going on and on and on ad nauseam about it is how much leaving you out of the draft hurts your poor little hearts.

I don't understand. Whether I'm mentioned in the draft or not, I want my occupations to get recognized by the SC and these do that for me. If I point to the resolution and say "that was us", there's a nice big gameplay report for anyone that tries to deny it. If other raider organizations want to be name-dropped in an inherently defender institution like the Security Council, I'll back them up in that, but it's not something I personally expect. And I think this discussion about name credit is way less important than the discussion around scrubbing the draft of its praise of "free speech" absolutism, so I don't really want to get in a huge debate about name credit... so if you disagree or think I'm lying or whatever about how I view name credit, I'll just say I accept that and we should move on. =P

[Tinhampton]

As I said in the Lib thread: This is a submitted proposal, not a draft. The wording cannot be edited, changed, added to or deleted from to any degree at this juncture. It can only be withdrawn and resubmitted. (The misleading thread labelling is even worse in this thread than in Q's, given how people have already raised good-faith concerns about free speech vs hate speech.)

[0cala]

How about you actually try to liberate it, instead of throwing useless badges at it?

Dont make the same mistake as Yessssss

[Westinor]

I'm not sure the "cherished tenets of free speech" are really things you want to be praising or memorializing about this region, considering that free speech involved embassies with fascist regions and allowing people like Rusticus to run free on their discord, but maybe that's just me.

I appreciate your concern with the text in the draft. I'll address this as best as I can.


The above was the native response we got with record to Raxus' place in the Discord. The native government was made aware of these issues when defender leadership contacted their government, and is working to address it. This region is, understandably, a casual region with natives that don't log on to play NationStates everyday - they have a democratic system that allows them to address these problems when brought up in a reasonable manner, and so they have not yet been able to move to remove Raxus in the day that they've been notified about it since. An unfortunate product of running a small region, but a standard that I don't think is reasonable to criticize. I have hope that they will amend this situation in their Discord quickly.

[Angeloid Astraea]

It's the absolutist free speech policy that they practiced before being raided that is being criticized, because that absolutist free speech policy is being celebrated in the Injuction that you helped co-author. Just change it and resubmit. The longer you make excuses for why you aren't doing exactly that, the more time you actually waste...

[Westinor]

It's the absolutist free speech policy that they practiced before being raided that is being criticized, because that absolutist free speech policy is being celebrated in the Injuction that you helped co-author. Just change it and resubmit. The longer you make excuses for why you aren't doing exactly that, the more time you actually waste...

That's not the policy being celebrated. We're noting the one that was adapted almost twelve hours before the injunction itself was drafted, when we first approached the region with our concerns about Raxus.

[Angeloid Astraea]

It's the absolutist free speech policy that they practiced before being raided that is being criticized, because that absolutist free speech policy is being celebrated in the Injuction that you helped co-author. Just change it and resubmit. The longer you make excuses for why you aren't doing exactly that, the more time you actually waste...

That's not the policy being celebrated. We're noting the one that was adapted almost twelve hours before the injunction itself was drafted, when we first approached the region with our concerns about Raxus.

But in the proposal you're celebrating the tenets of free speech that they were centered around at birth. "Turning its gaze to the fledgling community of Magna Aurea, a region born in the age of Frontiers centered around the cherished tenets of free speech that stood out as an example of what a youthful, aspiring community can achieve". They weren't born twelve hours before you drafted this.

What is the difficulty in changing that part to "Turning its gaze to the fledgling community of Magna Aurea, a region born in the age of Frontiers that stood out as an example of what a youthful, aspiring community can achieve" and resubmitting?