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[PASSED] Injunct South Pacific

Postby Quebecshire » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:34 am

Submitted and hoping to get to vote ASAP.

Link here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1689010348

The World Assembly,

Strolling along the sandy beaches of South Pacific, a calm and tropical region home to a community with an established constitutional government,

Applauding South Pacific for enduring as long as it has without a Founder, now Governor, and simultaneously welcoming new nations into their society and cultivating a thriving democratic culture rooted in their founderless history, despite the associated risks,

Disheartened that this has naturally made South Pacific a target for bad-actors, with countless invasions occurring over the years. Most notably, one in 2020 which devastated the region due to rarer tactics employed by invaders,

Aware that South Pacific was thus previously Liberated by necessity in 2017 by Security Council Resolution 218, but understanding that the Liberation is no longer sufficient to guarantee the long-term safety of the region and its people,

Previously enthused that due to recent shifts in power, South Pacific has finally seen an opportunity to consolidate safe control over itself, only to be taken advantage of by invading forces as part of an annual celebration of brutality and barbarism,

Confident that the resolve of South Pacific’s longtime community can rebuild after this incursion, though certain that this Injunction is necessary to prevent a permanent annexation by the depraved forces of raiderdom,

Hereby Injuncts South Pacific.


To pre-empt the issues with the last attempt: Densaner wasn't involved in the draft (isn't credited obviously either), and since it was me they ripped off anyway, it doesn't really apply here.
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Postby Mlakhavia » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:39 am

Christ, that was fast.
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/ Independent of the Year 2023 / Air Marshal of the People's Revolutionary Air Force / Terror of Trinidad /

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Postby Quebecshire » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:40 am

Mlakhavia wrote:Christ, that was fast.

Would've been faster if I didn't wake up so late today :blush:
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Postby Bayerischer Nationalstaat » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:40 am

It’s been… what, an hour since they began the raid and took it over?

Eh… I guess I support it?
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Postby Mlakhavia » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:41 am

Quebecshire wrote:
Mlakhavia wrote:Christ, that was fast.

Would've been faster if I didn't wake up so late today :blush:

If only more defenders prioritised their circadian rhythms over this game like you do.

Whatever, support.
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Postby Improper Classifications » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:42 am

funny enough this would cause SP to be stuck in frontier state which would actually make them permanently vulnerable to raids
and in addition it would turn it into an off brand feeder
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Postby Mlakhavia » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:42 am

Improper Classifications wrote:funny enough this would cause SP to be stuck in frontier state which would actually make them permanently vulnerable to raids
and in addition it would turn it into an off brand feeder

Repeals exist.
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Postby Angeloid Astraea » Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:43 am

Oh wow, this was fast! Well done!

Anyway, I support this! Another raid put into the halls of the SC. =D
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Postby Big Boyz » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:37 am

an annual celebration of brutality and barbarism

New slogan! =D
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:40 am

Mlakhavia wrote:
Improper Classifications wrote:funny enough this would cause SP to be stuck in frontier state which would actually make them permanently vulnerable to raids
and in addition it would turn it into an off brand feeder

Repeals exist.

Or, alternatively, we can not actively harm South Pacific by reducing its ability to fight off raiders.
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Postby Fort Concord » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:42 am

Big Boyz wrote:
an annual celebration of brutality and barbarism

New slogan! =D

I pendalumed between that and "cruelty and barbarism" for a moment but decided I preferred the alliteration. :P

Wallenburg wrote:
Mlakhavia wrote:Repeals exist.

Or, alternatively, we can not actively harm South Pacific by reducing its ability to fight off raiders.


You're missing some context Wally - SP was already mid-transition (the first one, anyway) to gain a Governor. That's probably why it was so enticing to raiders, since the first transition was already paid for. So once raiders are gone, they may want it repealed to continue with that. They also might not... but that'll be a discussion we have with them later on.
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Postby Bayerischer Nationalstaat » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:42 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Mlakhavia wrote:Repeals exist.

Or, alternatively, we can not actively harm South Pacific by reducing its ability to fight off raiders.

Seems the best way to do this is to strike down the bill.
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:44 am

Fort Concord wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Or, alternatively, we can not actively harm South Pacific by reducing its ability to fight off raiders.


You're missing some context Wally - SP was already mid-transition (the first one, anyway) to gain a Governor. That's probably why it was so enticing to raiders, since the first transition was already paid for. So once raiders are gone, they may want it repealed to continue with that. They also might not... but that'll be a discussion we have with them later on.

It seems a discussion to have now, rather than after this has already compromised their security.
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Postby New Master » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:45 am

Supported, as I had an alt in South Pacific and the community is really chill.
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Postby MKH Gyrfalcon Squadron » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:46 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Mlakhavia wrote:Repeals exist.

Or, alternatively, we can not actively harm South Pacific by reducing its ability to fight off raiders.

The more pressing issue right now is the fact that without this injunction, the region may never have to fight off raiders again... due to it becoming a trophy thereof.
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:49 am

MKH Gyrfalcon Squadron wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Or, alternatively, we can not actively harm South Pacific by reducing its ability to fight off raiders.

The more pressing issue right now is the fact that without this injunction, the region may never have to fight off raiders again... due to it becoming a trophy thereof.

So what you're saying is that defenders don't plan to liberate the region for at least the next couple weeks?
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Postby Togsland » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:49 am

We could perhaps spread out how many regions bring in new nations. That way the South Pacific is less of a target.

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Postby Quebecshire » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:50 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Fort Concord wrote:
You're missing some context Wally - SP was already mid-transition (the first one, anyway) to gain a Governor. That's probably why it was so enticing to raiders, since the first transition was already paid for. So once raiders are gone, they may want it repealed to continue with that. They also might not... but that'll be a discussion we have with them later on.

It seems a discussion to have now, rather than after this has already compromised their security.

I'm extremely confused as to what you mean here. The region is currently under occupation with half of the transition already underway (meaning raiders only have to do it one way now). This isn't a pre-emptive thing. It's a necessity.
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Postby MKH Gyrfalcon Squadron » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:50 am

Wallenburg wrote:
MKH Gyrfalcon Squadron wrote:The more pressing issue right now is the fact that without this injunction, the region may never have to fight off raiders again... due to it becoming a trophy thereof.

So what you're saying is that defenders don't plan to liberate the region for at least the next couple weeks?

Considering the sorry state of defenderdom, it's not a matter of what defenders *plan* to do, but what they're *able* to do. The fate of this region in the field is uncertain.
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Postby Bayerischer Nationalstaat » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:52 am

Togsland wrote:We could perhaps spread out how many regions bring in new nations. That way the South Pacific is less of a target.

Almost everyone wants to be a frontier, so that’ll be hard to do.
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:52 am

MKH Gyrfalcon Squadron wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:So what you're saying is that defenders don't plan to liberate the region for at least the next couple weeks?

Considering the sorry state of defenderdom, it's not a matter of what defenders *plan* to do, but what they're *able* to do. The fate of this region in the field is uncertain.

Well that's grim. I clearly had an outdated image of defender preparedness. I support this, I guess.
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Postby MKH Gyrfalcon Squadron » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:53 am

Wallenburg wrote:
MKH Gyrfalcon Squadron wrote:Considering the sorry state of defenderdom, it's not a matter of what defenders *plan* to do, but what they're *able* to do. The fate of this region in the field is uncertain.

Well that's grim. I clearly had an outdated image of defender preparedness. I support this, I guess.

When you don't keep up with modern happenings, it's easy to imagine it's still 2021. :p
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Postby Bayerischer Nationalstaat » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:54 am

Wallenburg wrote:
MKH Gyrfalcon Squadron wrote:Considering the sorry state of defenderdom, it's not a matter of what defenders *plan* to do, but what they're *able* to do. The fate of this region in the field is uncertain.

Well that's grim. I clearly had an outdated image of defender preparedness. I support this, I guess.

I’m unaware of even a single defender region past twenty five members that has succeeded in the last few weeks/months.


There might be some, but none that I’ve seen stop a raid.
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Postby MKH Gyrfalcon Squadron » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:55 am

Bayerischer Nationalstaat wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Well that's grim. I clearly had an outdated image of defender preparedness. I support this, I guess.

I’m unaware of even a single defender region past twenty five members.


There might be some, but none that I’ve seen try to stop a raid.

This is hilariously wrong too.
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Postby Togsland » Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:56 am

Bayerischer Nationalstaat wrote:
Togsland wrote:We could perhaps spread out how many regions bring in new nations. That way the South Pacific is less of a target.

Almost everyone wants to be a frontier, so that’ll be hard to do.


True, true.

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