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Postby Fort Concord » Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:14 pm

We're once again bumping this for some more feedback!
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Postby Quebecshire » Mon Apr 24, 2023 8:59 am

We're bumping this again for any feedback. :)
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Postby Quebecshire » Sat Apr 29, 2023 4:21 pm

Giving this a bump again. We'll be moving to last call somewhat soon.
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Postby Minskiev » Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:16 pm

We're bumping this again for any feedback. We're bumping this again for any feedback. We're bumping this again for any feedback. We're bumping this again for any feedback. We're bumping this again for any feedback. We're bumping this again for any feedback. We're bumping this again for any feedback.

NuCa’s presence enhanced the quality and success of AWP by industriously working

Nuca's presence industriously worked doesn't make sense. I would change the subject to NuCa instead of his presence, especially since your whole list is predicated on that subject.

(infiltrating New Folsom as AI Robot)

This seems like it could be removed. If you had more characters to work with, I would like to know what New Folsom was, assuming that Al Robot was NuCa's puppet, and what New Folsom's (assuming it was a raider org) role in the raid was. But since you don't have that breathing room, the information is unexplained and doesn't enhance the argument, not to mention it hurts the flow a bit.

alongside Tycholand , subsequently


and subsequently

Appreciating NuCa’s role in quashing Sedgistan’s coup of the South Pacific, while serving as Minister of Justice and Security, and their key contributions to cleaning up in the aftermath of the struggle, including the exile of Sedgistan and counterintelligence operations to neutralise their supporters.


This reads weirdly to me. Maybe try:

"Appreciating NuCa's role in quashing Sedgistan’s coup of the South Pacific and cleaning up in the aftermath of the struggle as Minister of Justice and Security, including exiling Sedgistan and conducting counterintelligence operations to neutralise their supporters."

(I'm curious as to what these counterintelligence operations were, admittedly, but I can't think of a less-shady way to phrase something I don't know the details of)

Otherwise looks good.
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:16 am

Minskiev wrote:
(infiltrating New Folsom as AI Robot)

This seems like it could be removed. If you had more characters to work with, I would like to know what New Folsom was, assuming that Al Robot was NuCa's puppet, and what New Folsom's (assuming it was a raider org) role in the raid was. But since you don't have that breathing room, the information is unexplained and doesn't enhance the argument, not to mention it hurts the flow a bit.

I can confirm New Folsom was a raider region (more of a federal republic than an org), operating mostly in 2006 and 2008. From the accounts I have of them, they had the numbers to perform their own occupations outright during that time frame, and almost all of Unknown's early membership was made up of former members of New Folsom. I'm not actually sure what New Folsom's role was in the Belgium operation, however- the region officially merged into Unknown on 31 July 2009, and I was underneath the impression that Belgium wasn't liberated until later in the year.

EDIT: Further research- Belgium was liberated just a few days before, and AI Robot was serving as their director of intelligence as of the 20th of July 2009. If AI Robot was NuCa, it means NuCa was independently undercover in New Folsom as Al Robot and simultaneously as Berkley Run in Unknown/TBOB, which I didn't know at all. I can see, however, that the leak was identified at the time as being from New Folsom, though, so they must have been deployed to Belgium.
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Postby Quebecshire » Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:01 pm

Kazaman and I have decided to move this to last call.


Regarding the feedback above from Minskiev,

I've addressed the smaller wording changes, implementing them for the most part.

Regarding AI Robot, as the resolution says (your snip is narrower), "NuCa obtained the code of entry from Scoochi2 (infiltrating New Folsom as AI Robot)". Since NuCa also took a leading role in the historic liberation, it is relevant information, so I won't be removing it at this time.

I re-did the Appreciating clause with your suggestion, plus small tweaks.

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:
EDIT: Further research- Belgium was liberated just a few days before, and AI Robot was serving as their director of intelligence as of the 20th of July 2009. If AI Robot was NuCa, it means NuCa was independently undercover in New Folsom as Al Robot and simultaneously as Berkley Run in Unknown/TBOB, which I didn't know at all. I can see, however, that the leak was identified at the time as being from New Folsom, though, so they must have been deployed to Belgium.


As I explained above when quoting to Minskiev, AI Robot was Soochi2, operating under NuCa's supervision, and being the party that gave NuCa the code of entry allowing the liberation (which he had a leading role in) to take place.
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Sun Apr 30, 2023 11:23 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:EDIT: Further research- Belgium was liberated just a few days before, and AI Robot was serving as their director of intelligence as of the 20th of July 2009. If AI Robot was NuCa, it means NuCa was independently undercover in New Folsom as Al Robot and simultaneously as Berkley Run in Unknown/TBOB, which I didn't know at all. I can see, however, that the leak was identified at the time as being from New Folsom, though, so they must have been deployed to Belgium.

As I explained above when quoting to Minskiev, AI Robot was Soochi2, operating under NuCa's supervision, and being the party that gave NuCa the code of entry allowing the liberation (which he had a leading role in) to take place.

My bad- I can't read.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Mon May 01, 2023 12:39 am

Minor nitpick time again. :)

From the perspective of Unknown, Berkley Run was masterfully leading an invasion in their name, yet all the while NuCa was transmitting updates on their own availability as the invader Delegate to FRA command,


Small suggested change in red.

An excellent draft, good luck when you take this to vote. NuCa is definitely deserving of a Commendation.
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Postby Quebecshire » Mon May 01, 2023 11:41 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Minor nitpick time again. :)

From the perspective of Unknown, Berkley Run was masterfully leading an invasion in their name, yet all the while NuCa was transmitting updates on their own availability as the invader Delegate to FRA command,


Small suggested change in red.

An excellent draft, good luck when you take this to vote. NuCa is definitely deserving of a Commendation.

Thank you, BBD!

I've implemented this with a slight replacement that I think keeps it flowing well.
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Postby King HEM » Mon May 01, 2023 6:02 pm

Not in love with the flowery line astroturfing the FRA (they sucked!!), but that minor quibble (and matter of personal opinion, frankly) is not enough to make me oppose this. Numero is a titan of gameplay and this is deserved.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Mon May 01, 2023 6:27 pm

Do we need to name drop a DOS player in the resolution?
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Postby Fort Concord » Mon May 01, 2023 6:35 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:Do we need to name drop a DOS player in the resolution?

It took me a minute to figure out what you meant, given how menial the mention is. That said, I'm fine removing Halcones' name. I'll either replace it with the organization responsible's name, or leave it unspecified in terms of organizer if it appeared to be more of a personal project.

I'll get to that sometime this evening.
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Postby Quebecshire » Tue May 02, 2023 10:47 am

The above is resolved.
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Postby Kazaman » Tue May 02, 2023 6:35 pm

We are planning to submit the proposal Friday, barring any major concerns or suggestions.

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Postby Quebecshire » Thu May 04, 2023 6:24 pm

A reminder that we plan to submit tomorrow. We are welcome to feedback up until submission, which will likely be in the afternoon or evening.
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Postby A Bloodred Moon » Fri May 05, 2023 5:56 am

I don't have specific points of feedback, as it is well-written and I could not find errors in the proposal. NuCa, obviously, is highly deserving and I support this proposal wholeheartedly.

Good luck with this.
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Postby Quebecshire » Fri May 05, 2023 10:29 pm

This has been submitted.

Thank you to everyone who provided feedback and/or voiced support!
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Postby Sedgistan » Wed May 24, 2023 9:24 am

Well that was a riveting debate.

Commend Numero Capitan was passed 11,026 votes to 2,891.

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Postby Fort Concord » Wed May 24, 2023 10:20 am

Sedgistan wrote:Well that was a riveting debate.


He's just that goddamn commendable. No debate needed. :P
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Postby The North Polish Union » Wed May 24, 2023 11:49 am

Sedgistan wrote:Well that was a riveting debate.

Commend Numero Capitan was passed 11,026 votes to 2,891.

When there are individuals publicizing the fact that the overwhelming majority of SC proposals are decided before they ever get to the floor thanks to behind-the-scenes vote-trading amongst major delegates, using this forum for debate has about as much merit as did political debates during the communist era in Poland.

EDIT: Added link to support my claim.
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Postby Numero Capitan » Wed May 24, 2023 12:32 pm

Thanks Kazaman and Quebec for your work on this and all the nice comments from friends and frenemies
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Postby Sedgistan » Wed May 24, 2023 2:06 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:
Sedgistan wrote:Well that was a riveting debate.

Commend Numero Capitan was passed 11,026 votes to 2,891.

When there are individuals publicizing the fact that the overwhelming majority of SC proposals are decided before they ever get to the floor thanks to behind-the-scenes vote-trading amongst major delegates, using this forum for debate has about as much merit as did political debates during the communist era in Poland.

EDIT: Added link to support my claim.

True, but people on NationStates the internet will argue things even when it's pointless and they achieve nothing. Other SC proposals whose outcome is obvious from the start get debate. Quebecshire is right on this one - Numero fully deserves the Commendation, and commands cross-border respect for his achievements and conduct.

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Postby Coronational Chechyans and affiliates » Thu May 25, 2023 6:34 am

The North Polish Union wrote:
Sedgistan wrote:Well that was a riveting debate.

Commend Numero Capitan was passed 11,026 votes to 2,891.

When there are individuals publicizing the fact that the overwhelming majority of SC proposals are decided before they ever get to the floor thanks to behind-the-scenes vote-trading amongst major delegates, using this forum for debate has about as much merit as did political debates during the communist era in Poland.

EDIT: Added link to support my claim.

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