[PASSED] Liberate England

[Goobergunchia]

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Hello... I'm sure you can guess why we're here!

After a couple updates of fighting the good fight (and honestly having some pretty decent turnouts given the time of week, love you all who participated <3), including two easily successful delegacy tips, we're re-adjusting our strategy to damage mitigation.

The clause starter words are an acrostic that spell guinea pig, a reference to the theme for the liberationa attempts (see my flag).

Thank you to Westinor for your great help co-authoring and un-thank you to Tim for changing the goddamn font on the document 20 times while we wrote this.

Edit: This nation is controlled by Quebecshire, were that not obvious.

The Security Council,

Gazing upon England as a long-time community of nations dating back to near-antiquity, historically being guided by [nation=Tyrr], who served faithfully as World Assembly Delegate as early as 2003,

Understanding that many years later Tyrr took up the mantle of foundership in England, inspiring new hope among the international community that stability would reign once more on the region, and that it might flourish anew,

Illuminating with regret that this has proven to not be the case, and that the region has been subject to invasion numerous times over the years as a result of unfortunate instability in the continuation of its founder state,

Noting with horror the state that invading forces have once more rendered upon the region in an ongoing occupation, desecrating it and deposing the native Delegate [nation=Isle of Westland] in an unwarranted act of belligerence and malevolence,

Enthused by Isle of Westland’s dedication to defending their homeland, going above and beyond to fight for the freedom of England even in otherwise difficult circumstances, undoubtedly affirming their loyalty to their community,

Actively taking this opportunity to clarify that:

• Presently, Isle of Westland should be considered the rightful sovereign of England, having been WA Delegate for several months prior to the barbaric invasion mentioned above,
• Indicating that this document to liberate the region (thereby increasing the chances of its long-term safety) has been authorized by representatives of Isle of Westland on behalf of England,

Going forth with optimism that England will be freed from its wretched interlopers, and that the region may eventually find an era of steadiness, to the benefit of its member nations,

Hereby liberates England.

Co-author: Westinor

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Nicely written.

Timing? There is one proposal at vote and two in the queue ahead of yours, which makes it the best part of a couple of weeks before this would come into effect.

Are you looking to pull your own proposal out of the queue and asking Magecastle to do the same?

[Felix Legion I]

Timing? There is one proposal at vote and two in the queue ahead of yours, which makes it the best part of a couple of weeks before this would come into effect.

I have already discussed the matter in private with Magecastle, rest assured whatever steps necessary to ensure a smooth and timely liberation of England will be taken.

[Lenlyvit]

If both of those proposals are pulled in order to allow the liberation to go to vote sooner I'll gladly re-approve both of them at submitting.

[Tinhampton]

Thank you to Westinor for your great help co-authoring and un-thank you to Tim for changing the goddamn font on the document 20 times while we wrote this.

If Tim was involved in this draft, why was he not credited as a co-author alongside West?

Also: Why is proposal withdrawal being considered (or, for that matter, the longstanding defender tactic of undrafted liberations being perpetuated in this case)? Rhanukhan, the most influential native, has 7,748 influence. If the Delegate sat there for eight more days, they would not have enough influence to ban them, never mind Arthur, Isle of Westland, Felix Legion I, or any of the other England residents on top of that. This is not a TMC-style situation where raiders are able to keep the same person on 300 endorsements for several billion updates before going kapow.

[Repreteop]

Shotgun acceptance, BANG!

Full support!!!

[Felix Legion I]

If Tim was involved in this draft, why was he not credited as a co-author alongside West?

Tim was involved in the sense of proofreading before we submitted it, not drafting. I'm just giving him a little shit for messing around on the doc. The authorship information on the submitted draft is accurate.

Also: Why is proposal withdrawal being considered (or, for that matter, the longstanding defender tactic of undrafted liberations being perpetuated in this case)? Rhanukhan, the most influential native, has 7,748 influence. If the Delegate sat there for eight more days, they would not have enough influence to ban them, never mind Arthur, Isle of Westland, Felix Legion I, or any of the other England residents on top of that. This is not a TMC-style situation where raiders are able to keep the same person on 300 endorsements for several billion updates before going kapow.

You've made this argument many times and every time you've done so it's been either in (continued) ignorance or in bad-faith. Maybe my answer will get through to you this time.

The longer until the region is liberated, the longer sieges have to be maintained. I understand that someone who's only ever been a raider for the brief time they were in R/D woudn't see the issue here, as they had the luxury of piling instead of amassing large groups of people to jump into the region every update at a precise time. As defenders do not have that luxury, we have to take into account a number of factors including but not limited to availability during the earlier weekdays for both natives and defenders (which is lesser than other parts of the week), the disruption of update times for non-Americans due to daylight davings, and other matters.

Regarding forum drafting, I think Westinor and I both have reputations as strong/capable authors and that this proposal came out well. There are no glaring errors as it was amply proof-read. We aren't discussing a commendation or condemnation, which needs to be carefully crafted to represent the nominee and their history. In a post-TMC world, regardless of specific timetables, it is the sensible decision to opt for the route of caution. At times liberations can be reasonably forum drafted, but even so this is often expedited compared to other proposal types. If you do have meaninful commentary on the draft itself, feel free to put it forth so we can learn from it going forward!

[WayNeacTia]

Tin has a point here. While it is guaranteed pass, is the situation so exigent that proposals need to be pulled in order to pass this a week earlier? I could see it if we were going after a OOC problem region or a fascist stronghold that had just become vulnerable. I am only asking as it seems I am uneducated on how R/D seems to work.

[Felix Legion I]

Tin has a point here. While it is guaranteed pass, is the situation so exigent that proposals need to be pulled in order to pass this a week earlier?

Chester - As I said to BBD, Magecastle and I have discussed the matter and are capable of making these judgement calls going forward. They, as a former officer in a defender military, understand the circumstances well and we'll address the situation regarding other proposals as it evolves.

I am only asking as it seems I am uneducated on how R/D seems to work.

Emphasis mine - correct. This is well established.

[Hulldom]

If both of those proposals are pulled in order to allow the liberation to go to vote sooner I'll gladly re-approve both of them at submitting.

+1, by the way.

[Witchcraft and Sorcery]

approved and full support - I’m sure the skilled and knowledgeable defenders who worked on this can address the issue of getting it to vote with a less than ideal queue situation. if they need to be pulled the authors know where to find me to re-approve.

well done y’all on this o/

[The Orwell Society]

meh

support

[Repreteop]

I must admit, since the case is that this may (unless I got it wrong) take a while to actually get put to vote, it may be possible that defensive efforts are successful beforehand.

Nevertheless, I do still indeed support this for now, then, and future.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Timing? There is one proposal at vote and two in the queue ahead of yours, which makes it the best part of a couple of weeks before this would come into effect.

I have already discussed the matter in private with Magecastle, rest assured whatever steps necessary to ensure a smooth and timely liberation of England will be taken.

Thank you. Question asked and more than adequately answered.

[Valtarre]

I should start by congratulating the forces of defenderdom for their efforts thusfar to dislodge England from the clutches of the Sekhmet Legion and their allies. You have all been worthy opponents, and the fight thusfar has been thrilling and engaging. Our little dance at its finest, no doubt.

Alas, the time has come, as it always does when an occupation lasts this long, for the Liberation proposal. I again raise a glass genuinely for the efforts on this one. We all know that one could defecate onto a scroll and present it to this council, and as long as it had the word "Liberation" on it and targeted an active occupation by adherents to raider unity, it would slide as easily through this body as an arrow through a besieger. Knowing this, I do give credit for the things this proposal does well. The acrostic is a classic stylistic touch, though I do admit I am unsure of the significance that guinea pigs have been playing for the defenders on this outing. I do also enjoy the narrative that has been spun about the origins of the region and the role of the former delegate.

My only criticism, which I am fully aware shall fall on deaf ears as always, is that for all the detail provided for the side characters of this story, the main antagonists are (as usual these days) left only with vague descriptors, befitting not their prominent role in this tale. This will never change, of course, unless in the future defenders pivot to an author who is more inclined to give credit where it is due. I have no delusions about this.

Instead, I will simply state for the historical record, for the benefit of all future readers, the invading personnel that a more just version of the Security Council would at the very least acknowledge by name:

The Sekhmet Legion of Osiris are the leaders of this operation. The raid of England will go down in the history books for the Legion as the operation where the might of raider unity in the new age was wielded for the first time to the Legion's ends. A debut of sorts onto the stage of longer term holds with grand statements and high engagement from raiders and defenders alike. For the vast majority of its current roster, especially the ones serving as regional officers in England, this is the most intense and prominent work that the world has gotten to enjoy since they enlisted. This is their raid, let that not be forgotten by history.

The Legion is supported, at the time of writing, by substantial forces provided by The Black Hawks, The Brotherhood of Malice, Ijaka, Lone Wolves United, Kantrias, Sparkalia, and The Communist Bloc. The current combined forces of raiderdom account for 158 individuals, on this 3rd day of the occupation.

[Felix Legion I]

Thanks for the compliments to our efforts.

The acrostic is a classic stylistic touch, though I do admit I am unsure of the significance that guinea pigs have been playing for the defenders on this outing.

I believe it was suggested due to the upcoming (now ongoing) commendation of Nakari.

My only criticism, which I am fully aware shall fall on deaf ears as always, is that for all the detail provided for the side characters of this story, the main antagonists are (as usual these days) left only with vague descriptors, befitting not their prominent role in this tale.

This complaint would land better if I was shouting out inidividual officers (or even defender/independent militaries in general!) involved in the siege efforts - which this proposal does not. There is zero reason to provide the, as you put it, main antagonists with clearly desired ego-strokes through meaningless shoutouts in a liberation for England and England's natives (the only ones directly mentioned in it). They're the main characters. You are, as the proposal puts it, interlopers.

This will never change, of course, unless in the future defenders pivot to an author who is more inclined to give credit where it is due. I have no delusions about this.

As always I appreciate you and your organization's committment to providing me with affordable housing in your head, times can be rough these days. That said, this is not a new (yeah February 2021 was over 2 years ago) concept, nor one specific to my style of authorship, to give some examples: (1) (2) (3).

[Valtarre]

This complaint would land better if I was shouting out inidividual officers (or even defender/independent militaries in general!) involved in the siege efforts - which this proposal does not. There is zero reason to provide the, as you put it, main antagonists with clearly desired ego-strokes through meaningless shoutouts in a liberation for England and England's natives (the only ones directly mentioned in it). They're the main characters. You are, as the proposal puts it, interlopers.

The affected region is not nameless, and neither are its antagonists. The story is incomplete without them, which side you favor in the conflict is irrelevant. You may call it meaningless, but perhaps if you were not getting proper credit for your contributions to the Gameplay tapestry, you may see things differently. Or perhaps not, since you tend to interpret getting proper credit as "living rent free" in the minds of people who dare to do so.

As always I appreciate you and your organization's committment to providing me with affordable housing in your head, times can be rough these days. That said, this is not a new (yeah February 2021 was over 2 years ago) concept, nor one specific to my style of authorship, to give some examples: (1) (2) (3).

The relentless march of time hardly stops for anyone, least of all me. Alas, for as long as I can recall the era (which well-exceeded a decade) where history was properly acknowledged in Security Council resolutions, I will at the very least make a passing effort at carrying that torch, as unwelcome as it may be to those who share your view. I will also note that I didn't mention or even allude to you at all in this bit, only a hypothetical "an author who is more inclined to give credit where it is due". I acknowledge that this trend did not start with you, and likely will not end with you either.

[Felix Legion I]

The narrative that anyone is neglecting history by not giving you special airtime in a political institution's legislation is silly. We have op reports, organization's records, and plenty more to well-document everything.

[Valtarre]

The narrative that anyone is neglecting history by not giving you special airtime in a political institution's legislation is silly. We have op reports, organization's records, and plenty more to well-document everything.

It is unfortunate that you believe the entire history of the institution prior to February 2021 (going by your provided source, anyway) is silly, but I only took the floor to do what you would not. That was all I intended to do, so if you don't mind, I have a few liberator bodies to help clean up around England's walls.

[Felix Legion I]

The narrative that anyone is neglecting history by not giving you special airtime in a political institution's legislation is silly. We have op reports, organization's records, and plenty more to well-document everything.

It is unfortunate that you believe the entire history of the institution prior to February 2021 (going by your provided source, anyway) is silly, but I only took the floor to do what you would not. That was all I intended to do, so if you don't mind, I have a few liberator bodies to help clean up around England's walls.

Missing the point, as per usual.

That being more common in the past (which we'll take your word for), is not what I called silly. What I called silly is the very particular argument raiders such as yourself have made since that's changed (or recently in particular), that not doing things how people used to is somehow an affront to history.

[Tinhampton]

The narrative that anyone is neglecting history by not giving you special airtime in a political institution's legislation is silly. We have op reports, organization's records, and plenty more to well-document everything.

In the year 2034, everybody will be able to easily access the Security Council resolution archives. Not everybody will be able or willing to trudge through hundreds of pages - or a couple of previous threads - just to unearth proof that Osiris and co were occupying England in March 2023. Where would you rather store your proof?

I moaned about the practice of nondescriptive Liberation texts three years ago.

[Felix Legion I]

The narrative that anyone is neglecting history by not giving you special airtime in a political institution's legislation is silly. We have op reports, organization's records, and plenty more to well-document everything.

In the year 2034, everybody will be able to easily access the Security Council resolution archives. Not everybody will be able or willing to trudge through hundreds of pages - or a couple of previous threads - just to unearth proof that Osiris and co were occupying England in March 2023. Where would you rather store your proof?

I moaned about the practice of nondescriptive Liberation texts three years ago.

Ironically, by linking that post, immediately followed by NuCa pointing out raider (and raider aligned) interest in undermining it... lol.

As someone currently working on SC proposals for two nominees whose careers were in major part the late 2000s and early 2010s, I think you're overstating the difficulty and looking for stuff that's... readily available on-site through forum search functions, regional history pages, and so on.

Anyway, I like to think this liberation is more descriptive and unique than a lot have been at times! I especially enjoyed adding the "Actively taking" sub-clauses, the acrostic, the historical tidbits (according to NS History, Tyrr became founder around 2011? I found that odd/interesting, might look into it more), etc. Westinor was a great help in all of that of course.

I'm just unconvinced not giving raiders ego-servicing air-time is a crime against history like it's made out to be.

[Isle of Westland]

The narrative that anyone is neglecting history by not giving you special airtime in a political institution's legislation is silly. We have op reports, organization's records, and plenty more to well-document everything.

It is unfortunate that you believe the entire history of the institution prior to February 2021 (going by your provided source, anyway) is silly, but I only took the floor to do what you would not. That was all I intended to do, so if you don't mind, I have a few liberator bodies to help clean up around England's walls.

We can put a golden star on your special sticker chart if you want?

[Valtarre]

We can put a golden star on your special sticker chart if you want?

The Security Council, with the exception of the relatively recent addition of Declarations, exists for the sole purpose of what could be condescendingly described as "putting golden stars on special sticker charts". One such sticker will be applied at the top of your region when this eventually passes. You can get on board with that and accept the inherent absurdity of this virtual world we're inhabiting, or you can continue to act like you're above it all.

Presumably, if the operation continues you'll be sent to ponder this reality in The Rejected Realms, and then the raid will be over, your golden liberation sticker will probably be removed, and you'll be back in jolly old England and we'll never speak again. You can choose to engage gracefully with your opponents in this short dance we have together and lean into your role as the hero of your region and we can all have fun, or you can be mean-spirited about it and contribute nothing to the story but schoolyard bully level drivel. I know what I'd find more fun, anyway.

[Felix Legion I]

You can choose to engage gracefully with your opponents in this short dance we have together and lean into your role as the hero of your region and we can all have fun, or you can be mean-spirited about it and contribute nothing to the story but schoolyard bully level drivel. I know what I'd find more fun, anyway.

Accepting the circumstances, doing his best to fight for his region in them, working competently with defenders even in dogshit scheduling and against the odds... seems pretty graceful to me.

Oh, right. But by "graceful", you meant lie down and take it, and put on a fake sunshine and rainbows attitude. Considering this is coming from the camp that loves to mock and jeer at natives, make polls about banning them, gloat about it (like you did in this post), and plenty more, I think he's doing fine.

You want him to embrace the role of hero for his region? Embrace the role of villain - and that includes that fact that unsurprisingly, most people aren't a fan of them - especially those that are actively being terrorized by them.

That was a funny post Westland, and it's been an honor to fight for England with you. Don't listen to anything Great Value Dracula says.