Security Council Guide and Q&A Thread

[Westinor]

What is an injuction in NationStates. Like what are the refering to when they say "injuction" in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=531800

An "Injunction" is a new proposal type that's currently in the works of being implemented alongside the new "Frontier/Stronghold" update. It essentially stops a region from transitioning either way between Frontier and Stronghold status (at least, so long as it's been initiated by the Delegate). I've held off on adding that in for now since it hasn't actually been implemented, but I'll toss in a short blurb so people at least know what it's in reference to.

[Team Leo]

What is an injuction in NationStates. Like what are the refering to when they say "injuction" in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=531800

An "Injunction" is a new proposal type that's currently in the works of being implemented alongside the new "Frontier/Stronghold" update. It essentially stops a region from transitioning either way between Frontier and Stronghold status (at least, so long as it's been initiated by the Delegate). I've held off on adding that in for now since it hasn't actually been implemented, but I'll toss in a short blurb so people at least know what it's in reference to.

Oh thanks!

[Fachumonn]

Wow, cool! Great job, Westinor!

[Westinor]

Hello everyone! So I've finished the new How to Research section - I had originally intended for it to release with the original draft of the guide, but it simply didn't come out the way I wanted it to. So I thought I'd finish up a few more proposals so that I'd have a better grasp of what I'm talking about. While the current version still does not truly do the entire process of research justice, in my opinion, I have found that perhaps research itself is too fluid of a process to provide a very concrete, step-by-step approach. So this section attempts to lay out most major research ideas in hopefully helpful ways! Please let me know if there's anything wrong with/areas that could be cleaned up in this section. Thanks so much, and have a wonderful day!

[Tinhampton]

Nice work, as ever.

I'd like to bring up a question from the old Q&A that was never answered:

At what stage in the SC's history did the community start treating nominee consent as an overriding factor for C&Cs?

I'm fairly confident it was around 2020, based solely on gut feeling. Consent was discussed in the [ed: old, Sedge-written] Guide to the Security Council when it was still pinned in the 2010s, but the Guide didn't make strong judgments either way - and it was still uncommon practice when I was starting out in 2018ish. (I never bothered to ask Arch if he ever wanted Commend Alasdair I Frosticus, but nobody seemed to care. By September of that year, Fratt literally let his nation CTE to avoid having the Commend badge show on it).

But by 2021-22 or so, every other C&C thread had somebody asking "Has [NOMINEENAME] given their consent to this?". Was there a turning point - a particularly big scandal involving somebody being nominated without their consent, say - a couple of years ago that I didn't pay attention to? Or was this a gradual shift like the move to explicitly labelling gameplay posts IC and OOC?

Reposting this question has reminded me that, on July 12th, the old Guide will have been unpinned for a majority of Tinhampton's existence. (But not for a majority of my NS career until September 9th!)

[Reino do Brazil]

good, but where do I write the condemnation?

[Tinhampton]

good, but where do I write the condemnation?

It looks like you've posted it in your own thread. It's broadly accepted that you should create a thread to draft your proposal in before you submit it.

[Omnicontrol]

If a region is C/Ced, ceases to exist, and is refounded, does the new region get the badge and tag?

[Hulldom]

If a region is C/Ced, ceases to exist, and is refounded, does the new region get the badge and tag?

Yep! See Allied States of Euroislanders.

[All Tears Must Fall]

I'd like to bring up a question from the old Q&A that was never answered:

At what stage in the SC's history did the community start treating nominee consent as an overriding factor for C&Cs?

I'm fairly confident it was around 2020, based solely on gut feeling. Consent was discussed in the [ed: old, Sedge-written] Guide to the Security Council when it was still pinned in the 2010s, but the Guide didn't make strong judgments either way - and it was still uncommon practice when I was starting out in 2018ish. (I never bothered to ask Arch if he ever wanted Commend Alasdair I Frosticus, but nobody seemed to care. By September of that year, Fratt literally let his nation CTE to avoid having the Commend badge show on it).

But by 2021-22 or so, every other C&C thread had somebody asking "Has [NOMINEENAME] given their consent to this?". Was there a turning point - a particularly big scandal involving somebody being nominated without their consent, say - a couple of years ago that I didn't pay attention to? Or was this a gradual shift like the move to explicitly labelling gameplay posts IC and OOC?

This is a fantastic question that I mut not have noticed - I was not around during this time period so I don't think I can answer it confidently. I think something to note is that the idea of consent was likely to my understanding always there, but because the norms of the SC were rather in flux throughout the 2010s it never fully formed into anything - my theory is that you could probably trace the practice of consent from the initial introduction of liberations and asking for consent of natives, and observe it happening more commonly as Condemns became more "congratulatory" as opposed to punishments. The latter is important, imo, as the consolidation of Condemnations into the more regular "C/C" type also made it clear that C/Cs were more than just the SC's own way of haphazardly recognizing actions, with what feels like a different, more principled approach nowadays. This is centered around the Gameplay side of the SC, because to be quite honest for a long time that's what the SC mostly was - but with fewer actions that seemed punishable by condemnation (i.e. less coups, which make up a decent number of older condemns) and an adversity to that route of action anyways I would think that meant more reason to ask for consent. I don't know if there were specific proposals that ended up being the catalyst for discussions around consent or not that I might be overlooking; Commend Fratt, as you've brought up, is an example I've heard raised before though. I would also imagine that with few other areas aside from GP having adopted a more principled approach to writing C/Cs (as you've mentioned with Commend Arch) that those particular category of proposals simply didn't really have any precedent for doing so.

I imagine it boils down to Condemnations needing permission, and from there, it would only be natural to extend that to Commendations as well. The practice has likely been widespread for a while but some encounters with angry nominees might've codified it as principle?

[Westinor]

A brief section on Injunctions has been added, given the time that has settled since the proposal type's release and the category's general similarity to the Liberation category. I may have gotten some details or facts wrong in this section, so please let me know if anything seems off!! Thanks and have a wonderful day ^-^

[Larger Green Plants]

I do not know why there is a Commendations and Condemnations category that seems to make up a large proportion of the Security Councils resolutions.
This kind of thing is of very limited interest to the majority of players within the game and merely projects an impression of an "elitist" network.
While I am not saying that there should not be times when a nation or region receives a commendation or condemnation, the sheer volume of these that are appearing are severely devaluing such resolutions and turning them into a complete nonsense that no one gives a damn about.
I now personally vote against all these as a matter of principal and several other players that I have spoken to about this issue are also doing the same.
Is it not seriously time to cut back on this nonsense, stop putting forward so many of these sycophantic pieces of garbage and return to a situation where this kind of thing occurs very occasionally to acknowledge game wide issues?

[Refuge Isle]

I do not know why there is a Commendations and Condemnations category that seems to make up a large proportion of the Security Councils resolutions.

Well, they're half of all possible types of resolutions that can exist in the security council, not counting repeals. For the vast majority of the time the Security Council has been around, the only other possible type of resolution was a liberation, and regions are not often needing to have their passwords removed. So I'm not really sure what you're expecting.

[Free Social Conservatives]

[The WASC Declaration] could be done as a Declaration of war on the Brotherhood of Malice & TCB

I know this quote was meant for funnies but it made me wonder if there was any way to Declare that the SC is in a state of war against a nation or region. After all, there must be some situations in which lethal force is necessary, and passing legislation to recognize a state of war against such nations/regions would be needed to compel member nations to commit their militaries to the action.

[Unibot III]

[The WASC Declaration] could be done as a Declaration of war on the Brotherhood of Malice & TCB

I know this quote was meant for funnies but it made me wonder if there was any way to Declare that the SC is in a state of war against a nation or region. After all, there must be some situations in which lethal force is necessary, and passing legislation to recognize a state of war against such nations/regions would be needed to compel member nations to commit their militaries to the action.

I was being serious! The declaration could not compel member-nations but it could use strong language in those regards.

[Mauser aka Intermaria or Aituia]

Last question before I get into actual WA, but, do you need a WA Representative for SC or is it unnecessary?

[Embassy of Estonia]

Last question before I get into actual WA, but, do you need a WA Representative for SC or is it unnecessary?

Your WA nation gets into both the GA and SC automatically

[Zetronis]

Can I commend/condemn somebody who's not in the WA?
Can I injunct a region without a delegate?
Is it okay to use emojis in Proposals?
Has a nation ever been commended/condemned more than twice?

[Pacific Haven]

Can I commend/condemn somebody who's not in the WA?
Can I injunct a region without a delegate?
Is it okay to use emojis in Proposals?
Has a nation ever been commended/condemned more than twice?

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No
4. Yes

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Risking the threadlock to answer these questions, to be fair the title of this forum is a *little* misleading for newcomers.

Next time please go to Technical, or for C/C and injunctions, the Security Council forums.

[Verdant Haven]

Thread moved to Security Council.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Can I commend/condemn somebody who's not in the WA?
Can I injunct a region without a delegate?
Is it okay to use emojis in Proposals?
Has a nation ever been commended/condemned more than twice?

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No
4. Yes

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Risking the threadlock to answer these questions, to be fair the title of this forum is a *little* misleading for newcomers.

Next time please go to Technical, or for C/C and injunctions, the Security Council forums.

No. 4 is No. The Black Hawks have been Condemned twice - no other nation or region has more.

Sedgistan has been both Commended and Condemned, but both were repealed, though they held both badges simultaneously for a short while.

[Zetronis]

Thanks for the answers I really appreciate it
Can somebody lock this?

[Lans Isles]

This is a good thread. I will keep all of it in mind. : )

[Free Social Conservatives]

No. 4 is No. The Black Hawks have been Condemned twice - no other nation or region has more.

Sedgistan has been both Commended and Condemned, but both were repealed, though they held both badges simultaneously for a short while.

Imperium Anglorum has been commended twice. Both commendations are still in effect. I believe they are the only nation to have been commended twice by the Security Council. I hope that answers #4.

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Could someone do a legality check please? viewtopic.php?t=544493&f