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[DISCUSSION] Repeal "Commend Europeia"

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[DISCUSSION] Repeal "Commend Europeia"

Postby Lower Pomerania » Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:00 pm

The Security Council,

The Security Council is a place to debate ideas in international politics and it’s about time it addresses the Commendation of Europeia for it’s REPEAL, which in my point of view is no longer necessary for Commendation, as it has lost its validity; it no longer applies to the circumstances that currently surround and dominate Europeia.

The Commendation says Europeia and King HEM to be democratic and democratic values champions, although it's not the case.

King HEM has also made profund mistakes during their career that need to be reviewed by this Security Council. Circumstances of making decisions that affect stability; the sense of equality and justice; in the end bad decisions that have been detrimental to freedoms, democracy, good sense and that set a strong precedent of ignorance about mental health.

For years, King HEM and Europeia, have claimed to be a safe region for those suffering from mental illness, however, this is not the case in reality. There have been unfair procedures, in which ignorance has dominated, that have ended in institutional decisions, which turn this "democratic" region that promotes "equality values" and claims to be a “safe region for those suffering from mental health issues” into a region that discriminates people with mental health issues. What’s not worst, the one’s making this decisions, have not been elected by the citizens to make those decisions. Proving that it is a region with institutions of course, but they are facade institutions, because those who are really making institutional decisions are a handful of officials without a popular mandate. No democracy involved and no elections involved.

King HEM has made quite a few errors in judgment, which can serve as evidence, that he is a very flawed character that has lost the values he claims to defend, like Democratic values, that were commended by resolution of this Security Council.

The Resolution Commending Europeia claims that Europeia was first a Monarchy, it clearly says that it is no longer one, and that instead, it is a democracy and that because it is a democracy and proclaims to promote democratic values, it must be commended. However, Europeia today is no longer a democracy. Today it is a region that strongly lacks democratic values.

As I have argued, there are a handful of officials appointed by hand, who do not go through the polls or public scrutiny, and who make deep decisions about the region. Which leaves the officials who have been elected, without a voice or vote, without any power of decision, on this body of a handful of people chosen by hand, by King HEM and others of his choosing.

This is evidence that although the region is not officially recognized as a monarchy, it is true that King HEM has unlimited power and leadership over institutional decisions. Which shows that this regime that dominates the region is not democratic.

In the best of cases, Europeia is a hybrid regime, between democracy and dictatorship. It has indeed a Senate, were the citizens choose their Senators; it has indeed a president, elected by the citizens. But there are overtones of dictatorship, strongly rooted in the figure of King HEM, who under the figure of founder, has managed to monopolize many of the institutional and heavy decisions in that region. Which are not democratic. Who chose King HEM to have this ilimited role of founder-administrator? He is a figure from decades ago who still dominates that region as if he were a King.

King HEM is not an irrelevant figure without any power, he is a founder who after decades continues to hand-pick people on his committee to control many important decisions in Europeia.

King HEM does not allow values to prevail democratic leadership rotation. His leadership has been prevailing in that region for decades, which somehow shows a perpetuation of a status quo, where what he wants prevails.

Respected Council, respected dignitaries from many regions, democracy cannot be a facade for a king to make the decisions he wants with a committee that he has chosen himself, and that is not accountable to anyone, as if it were in a true democracy.

True democracies do not have leaders who have spent decades exercising so much power, or holding positions that allow them to remain actively involved in institutional decisions, or empowering committees that they themselves elect to make far-reaching decisions.

In a democracy, high-power positions must be rotated, not exercised by the same figure for decades, who, in addition to his influence, imposes decisions of an institutional nature.

The resolutions of the security council on the promotion of democratic values ​​must be in accordance with the values, principles, and real convictions of a true democracy.

Let's begin this discussion, from which a triumphant resolution will emerge, repealing the recommendation to Europeia, for sustaining inaccuracies and misrepresenting the truth.
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Postby Quebecshire » Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:12 pm

The Venerable Sopo — 29/11/2022 21:43
Whitmark (banned user) is making the rounds again. If you get an NS TG from him or a Discord DM please do not engage and let us know.
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The nation that he is telegramming from is "Lower Pomerania," for reference
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But it will probably be obvious when he asks if you want to help him destroy HEM.


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Postby Evil Mother » Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:16 pm

Whitmark, buddy o pal, u gotta let it go
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Postby Lower Pomerania » Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:18 pm

I see so far nobody interested in promoting real democratic values? Where is the evidence that I am "whinark"? Please let's talk about Democratic values in the Security Council resolutions, not about flawed and conspiracy theories.

Is it a lie that King HEM has a council of people handpicked by him?
It is a lie that King HEM continues to be dominant in Europeian politics and institutional decisions?

That's what we should be talking about. Not conspiracy theories about me being a banned user.
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Postby Quebecshire » Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:19 pm

Lower Pomerania wrote:I see so far nobody interested in promoting real democratic values?

Why would we promote bad values? Democracy is an L
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Postby Evil Mother » Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:25 pm

Lower Pomerania wrote: "whinark"

Minor spelling mistake
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Postby Ambrella » Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:25 pm

As a puppet of HEM, I am very disappointed to see this.
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Postby King HEM » Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:28 pm

I am formally asking that you stop harassing me.

I have given you every benefit of the doubt up to this point. I have given you every opportunity to end your campaign of abusive behavior toward me, including engaging in an extended telegram conversation with you last month, at the end of which, you pledged to move on. I am disheartened to see that that is not the case.

Please stop harassing me.
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Postby Lower Pomerania » Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:31 pm

Let's do our best to prove if that region is really democratic or not, no one has disputed my ideas, they just accuse me of being a person from the past, or somehow hurt, with whom I have absolutely no relationship. Proofs or theories in this sense are false, lack truth, and have only one objective: to divert attention.

Let's raise the debate as this security council deserves. Nowhere did it say that I want to "destroy" HEM. This is not personal, this is to the Security Council to discuss. That I am a previously banned individual winark is a false conspiracy theory. I am not Winark, nor have I been banned by Europeia, theories in this sense only prove that they do not want to talk about the lack of democracy in Europeia and King HEM's role as a King. Let's talk about what concerns us, what brings us together in this security council, is the lack of democracy, equality and values ​​in Europeia, which do not make them worthy of a commendation.

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Postby Quebecshire » Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:34 pm

Lower Pomerania wrote:nor have I been banned by Europeia

I mean, Whitmark or not, this is objectively untrue.
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Postby King HEM » Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:35 pm

Lower Pomerania wrote:Let's do our best to prove if that region is really democratic or not, no one has disputed my ideas, they just accuse me of being a person from the past, or somehow hurt, with whom I have absolutely no relationship. Proofs or theories in this sense are false, lack truth, and have only one objective: to divert attention.

Let's raise the debate as this security council deserves. Nowhere did it say that I want to "destroy" HEM. This is not personal, this is to the Security Council to discuss. That I am a previously banned individual winark is a false conspiracy theory. I am not Winark, nor have I been banned by Europeia, theories in this sense only prove that they do not want to talk about the lack of democracy in Europeia and King HEM's role as a King. Let's talk about what concerns us, what brings us together in this security council, is the lack of democracy, equality and values ​​in Europeia, which do not make them worthy of a commendation.

I engaged in an extended, civil, telegram conversation with you only weeks ago where you made clear that you are Whitmark. You have been harassing me for years and I'm asking for you to stop.

In the last telegram conversation we had, you asked if I would come after and prevent you from playing the game in other regions. I did not do so. I have never wished you ill will or harm, but your inappropriate, abusive behavior needs to stop.
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Postby Lower Pomerania » Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:37 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
Lower Pomerania wrote:nor have I been banned by Europeia

I mean, Whitmark or not, this is objectively untrue.


We must precisely talk about the abrupt falsehoods that are presented by Europeia, where King HEM has played an important role, undemocratic for decades. The topic for this council to discuss.

Impersonating people is not something democratic, it is deeply undemocratic and reveals the lack of ethics that some nations manage in their internal affairs to discredit. I don't fall for games. This is not personal for me. All I want is to discuss democratic values in a commendation resolution. Let's talk about the democratic values ​​in the resolutions of the security council.

By the way, "buddy", something from a forum cannot be evidence, it is assumed that in nationstates they do not take into account what happens in the off site forums, an off site forum of which I was never a part, by the way.

Let's raise our standars and let's raise our debate, about the lack of democratic values in Europeia, which makes them unworthy of commendation. Why not discuss this? You guys are making this personal about a winark person, which I have no idea...
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Postby Lower Pomerania » Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:53 pm

Respected Delegates, Dignitaries, let's not fall for conspiracy theories and deeply false evidence, which has only been fabricated in a desperate attempt to discredit my true theories, that this region in question lacks any kind of true democratic values.

Let's talk about democratic values, and the worthy or unworthyness of this Commendation. That's the point in question, why divert attention to personal accusations that I have no idea about?

Wow, I am appalled to see the smear campaign against someone who dares to call things for what they are... Wow

Let's talk about the democratic values ​​that are lacking in Europeia and the role of King HEM(mentioned in the Commendation), and his role as King in this region. I only mention King HEM, because he is mentioned repeatedly in the commendation resolution, there is no harrasing from my part.

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Postby Lloenflys » Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:55 pm

Lower Pomerania wrote:Is it a lie that King HEM has a council of people handpicked by him?
It is a lie that King HEM continues to be dominant in Europeian politics and institutional decisions?


Yes. And Yes.

HEM doesn't get that involved in politics in Euro. When he does, he has the same amount of influence as most veterans, which is - some? I recently won election as President in Euro over his endorsement of my appointment. Despite this political disagreement he's remained nothing but pleasant and efficient in administrative duties. Europeia remains an exemplar of Democratic values. I'm thrilled to have a chance to lead it at the present time, and look forward to seeing it continue to prosper into the future.

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Postby Lower Pomerania » Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:03 pm

Dear Lloenflys, what you say is not true. You arrived relatively recently in that region, and you have not measured the footprint and influence that this King has over the region in mention on a institutional decisions basis.

It is true that you were elected president by popular vote, I congratulate you, and some say that you are quite good. But you do not really have the power there as president, those who really have power are the group of administrators or moderators or so called "Chancellors", who are the ones who make institutional and far-reaching decisions on behalf of the region; WITHOUT BEING ELECTED. Is this a lie? Decisions that by the way you as president, cannot institutionally challenge in any way, you do not have the power of veto or to intervene as president in the decisions of this council hand-picked by the King. Which shows that your position is a facade.

The group of Administrators/Chancellors/Moderators, are making far-reaching decisions without a popular mandate. Or is it false that King HEM, has a a lifetime role in the region?


Thanks for your intervention.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:07 pm

The SC is not your blog. Do you actually have a draft repeal to present or are you just going to continue to have verbal diarrhoea?
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Postby Camp Hebron » Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:13 pm

What the hell even is this proposal? You have provided absolutely zero evidence for your claims and when it's raised that you're apparently a player banned from Europeia, you continue to avoid the accusations.

You've given no evidence that you're not Whitmark.
You've given no evidence that HEM is tyrannical.
You've given no evidence that Europeia is under someone's thumb.

If HEM did have a council of people handpicked by them...they have no power? There's not a single person on this supposed "council" who controls Europeian politics. He's also not dominant in the region's politics, I've seen judicial cases that he's lost before, nobody sees him as infallible, though he is deeply respected.

Lloenflys is not new to Europeia, I have absolutely no idea where you got that from.

If you took the time to look at the Europeian Constitution (which you can't, because you are banned on their forums), you'd also know that the Supreme Chancellor only exists to moderate elections and give oaths of office to elected officials. Any other power they can exercise has been given to them by the Senate, and can thus be taken away by the same body. The President does not have direct power over the Supreme Chancellor (from what I can see), though they can still push for referenda that impeaches whoever holds the position. Also, the Supreme Chancellor was made through a joint-agreement of all Europeian citizens, not just HEM. The entire (or at least the majority) Europeian populace chose to keep the position and put Lethen in the office.

I don't quite agree with Europeia, but at the same time I still respect them and HEM, because I know of their contributions to NationStates and to offsite culture. To see this "proposal" is disappointing, to say the least.

EDIT: HEM has a "lifetime role" in the region because he is the founder. He literally has to have that role or else the region can be raided by others. Do you not know how regions work?
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Postby Lower Pomerania » Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:14 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:The SC is not your blog. Do you actually have a draft repeal to present or are you just going to continue to have verbal diarrhoea?


I'm sorry Dear Bhang Bhang Duc. I'm not that old, I'm have not been decades in this game, and thus, I lack experience in the ways the Security Council acts. I thought we would have an open discusion about the topic I presented, as I see in other about other repeals. Sorry.

I'm sorry to sound like I have verbal diarrhea, but I'm being hit with a number of horrible theories, which astonish me. The shameless scope that these nations have, to continue holding at whatever cost to a commendation that they do not deserve, has led them to frankly lose the truth.

I will be advising myself in the nations that have written to me to continue this debate and present an official draft, to officialy REPEAL Commend Europeia.

Any recommendation, analysis, help, I receive it, since I am not a nation that has been in this game for decades and I lack neccesary experience or connections. It's sad, really sad that King HEM with his many allies in many places, are actively seeking to discredit me, but we will continue in the search for the truth and true democracy.
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Postby Lloenflys » Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:17 pm

Lower Pomerania wrote:Dear Lloenflys, what you say is not true. You arrived relatively recently in that region, and you have not measured the footprint and influence that this King has over the region in mention on a institutional decisions basis.

It is true that you were elected president by popular vote, I congratulate you, and some say that you are quite good. But you do not really have the power there as president, those who really have power are the group of administrators or moderators or so called "Chancellors", who are the ones who make institutional and far-reaching decisions on behalf of the region; WITHOUT BEING ELECTED. Is this a lie? Decisions that by the way you as president, cannot institutionally challenge in any way, you do not have the power of veto or to intervene as president in the decisions of this council hand-picked by the King. Which shows that your position is a facade.

The group of Administrators/Chancellors/Moderators, are making far-reaching decisions without a popular mandate. Or is it false that King HEM, has a a lifetime role in the region?


Thanks for your intervention.


Lol I guess I'd better watch out for Lethen and his maniacal band of Chancellors and their anticipated interference with my Presidency. Oh wait, I served in the Chancellery. Oh wait, I've been a moderator. In any case, I think I'll take my chances with this crazy HEM character and continue enjoying being in the region I've been part of for 4+ years now. You go ahead and keep ranting here in the sandbox if you want to. Hopefully shouting nonsense into the void will provide you with some sense of ... comfort? Solace? Whatever it is you're looking for ...
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Postby Olde Delaware Jr » Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:22 pm

In 19 years this is only my....third? post on the forums. But I couldn't help myself.

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Postby Lime82 » Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:12 am

Whitmark please go seek professional help if you are able to access it. This obsession you have is not healthy, and you need to move on from it.

I think everyone else should just ignore this now. Stop giving him attention which is only going to further fuel his addiction. This is someone who almost certainly requires professional help, and the best thing we can do for ourselves, the people he harasses, and for him is to ignore him in the places where we cannot block or ban him.
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Postby Sedgistan » Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:54 am

I would encourage everyone to take particular care when posting in this topic, so that no-one falls foul of the "Harassment/Griefing" rule.

Lower Pomerania, you need to be clear whether you are attempting to repeal "Commend Europeia" or "Commend King HEM", and actually draft a proposal for whichever project you are pursuing. You have spent a lot of the thread talking about HEM, who is only mentioned briefly in "Commend Europeia".

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Postby Numero Capitan » Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:42 am

Despite Sedge’s comment above, this isn’t something I would bother pursuing and no one is going to write a proposal for you. Europeia has been a democratic region in good standing for longer than some players have been alive and HEM was one of the group of nations who also reformed the democratic system in The South Pacific, one of the longest running democracies in the game and a system that has survived more than a decade.

Whatever this crusade is that you’re on, it will only end up in more frustration for you. If you’re concerned about your mental health I wouldn’t recommend picking a losing battle.
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