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Postby Jedinsto » Mon Nov 14, 2022 7:55 pm

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The World Assembly,

Introducing Tinhampton as an athletic powerhouse, several-time World Assembly Delegate, and the author of numerous World Assembly resolutions,

Recalling Tinhampton's victory in the 73rd Cup of Harmony (CoH), an international football event, using only amateur players,

Documenting that the Tinhamptonian manager of that CoH-winning team, Rachel Coltfield, went on to manage the national team of Squidroidia, and led the team to a World Cup qualification as well as being ranked #7 in the world for the sport of football,

Recognizing that Tinhampton's government career primarily began in the Federation of Fictitious States, where Tinhampton served as a senator until the collapse of the region,

Noting that in their time in the Federation of Fictitious States, Tinhampton also served as World Assembly Delegate for four months,

Further noting that many records detailing Tinhampton's work in the Federation has since been lost,

Documenting that Tinhampton moved to Auctor following the collapse of the Federation,

Lauding Tinhampton's delegacy in Auctor, where they grew the region's population significantly and established a new government,

Remembering the expulsion of all the residents of Auctor, including Tinhampton,

Honoring Tinhampton's subsequent foundership of Sophia, where they served as World Assembly Delegate once again and grew a World Assembly-based region, established a legitimate government, and grew its voting power,

Acknowledging Tinhampton's co-authorship of six General Assembly resolutions, most notably:
  • GA #540, Supporting People With Disabilities, a civil rights resolution to guarantee certain rights to disabled individuals including accessibility, access to mental health support services, and access to certain medical information,
  • GA #582, Access to Effective Medication, which ensures all people in member nations are provided with access to medication for their ailments, and that such medications are affordable, and
  • GA #597, Addressing Domestic Abuse, a strong resolution which sets out the definitions for domestic abuse and ensures that it is a criminal offense in all member nations, equally ensures that schools in member nations provide resources to children who may wish to report domestic abuse, and bans the use of marriage status as a defense for abuse charges,

Detailing Tinhampton's co-authorship of two Security Council resolutions, Commend HumanSanity and Commend Valentine Z,

Noticing Tinhampton's brief ventures into military and government-sanctioning measures via liberation legislation by the authorship of the following resolutions:

Applauding Tinhampton's primary authorship of three commendations of prominent members of the international sports community, namely:

Further applauding Tinhampton's authorship of a fourth commendation, Commend Sacara, a nation that has dealt heavily in issues faced by nations on a daily basis,

Kicking and giggling in amazement at Tinhampton's primary authorship of eight General Assembly resolutions, most notably:

Believing that the accomplishments of the aforementioned nation are significant and numerous, enough so to warrant a commendation by this august assembly,

Hereby Commends Tinhampton.


The World Assembly,

Introducing Tinhampton as an athletic powerhouse, several-time World Assembly Delegate, and the author of numerous World Assembly resolutions,

Recalling Tinhampton's victory in the 73rd Cup of Harmony (CoH), one of the largest sporting events in the known universe where only one nation may prevail and walk away in all glory over the other 31 nations,

Crying tears of joy at the amazing work of Tinhampton to build its national football team as well as its club teams, with exceptional and extremely in-depth media coverage of its players and their interactions, creating an entertaining sight for all who wish to witness it,

Clapping excessively at the thought of Tinhampton’s years of hard work to build its football team and compete in international events,

Hootin’ and hollerin’ at the fact that the Tinhamptonian manager of that CoH-winning team, Rachel Coltfield, went on to manage the national team of Squidroidia, and led the team to a World Cup qualification as well as being ranked #7 in the world for the sport of football,

Astounded by Tinhampton’s further contributions to the international football community through its commendation of three international sports powerhouses, through its authorship of the following resolutions:
  • SC#251, "Commend Alasdair I Frosticus",
  • SC#374, "Commend Nephara", and
  • SC#375, "Commend Cassadaigua",

Documenting that Tinhampton began its government career in the Federation of Fictitious States, where it served as delegate for four months as well as senator until the collapse of the region, then moved to Auctor following the collapse of the Federation,

Lauding Tinhampton's delegacy in Auctor, where it grew the region's population fourfold and established a new government,

Remembering the expulsion of all the residents of Auctor, including Tinhampton,

Honoring Tinhampton's subsequent foundership of Sophia, where it served as World Assembly Delegate once again and grew a World Assembly-based region, established a legitimate government, and grew its voting power to a peak of 49 votes in this assembly,

Acknowledging Tinhampton's co-authorship of six General Assembly resolutions, most notably:
  • GA #540, "Supporting People With Disabilities", a civil rights resolution to guarantee certain rights to disabled individuals including accessibility, access to mental health support services, and access to certain medical information,
  • GA #582, "Access to Effective Medication", which ensures all people in member nations are provided with access to medication for their ailments, and that such medications are affordable, and
  • GA #597, "Addressing Domestic Abuse", a strong resolution which sets out the definitions for domestic abuse and ensures that it is a criminal offense in all member nations, equally ensures that schools in member nations provide resources to children who may wish to report domestic abuse, and bans the use of marriage status as a defense for abuse charges,

Detailing Tinhampton's co-authorship of two Security Council resolutions:
  • SC#356, "Commend HumanSanity," an excellent piece of work made to honor the achievements of the long-time region builder that is HumanSanity, and
  • "Commend Valentine Z", a sizeable resolution passed by an extremely large margin due to its detail,

Noticing Tinhampton's brief ventures into military and government-sanctioning measures via liberation legislation by the authorship of the following resolutions:
  • SC#250, "Repeal: Liberate Femdom Empire",
  • SC#267, "Repeal: Liberate the East Pacific", and
  • SC#385, "Repeal: Liberate a Liberal Haven", also noteworthy for being the most popular World Assembly resolution ever,

Further applauding Tinhampton's authorship of a fourth commendation, "Commend Sacara", a nation that has dealt heavily in issues faced by nations on a daily basis,

Kicking and giggling in amazement at Tinhampton's primary authorship of eight General Assembly resolutions, most notably:
  • GA#559, "End Conversion Therapy", a resolution to ban the evil practice of conversion therapy,
  • GA#578, "Transgender Self Determination", a resolution to ensure that individuals may legally change their gender,

Believing that the accomplishments of the aforementioned nation are significant and numerous, enough so to warrant a commendation by this august assembly,

Hereby Commends Tinhampton.


The World Assembly,

Introducing Tinhampton as an athletic powerhouse, several-time World Assembly Delegate, and the author of numerous World Assembly resolutions,

Recalling Tinhampton's victory in the 73rd Cup of Harmony (CoH), one of the largest sporting events in the known universe where only one nation may prevail and walk away in all glory over the other 31 nations, where it pulled off the incredible feat of victory using only amateur players,

Crying tears of joy at the amazing work of Tinhampton to build its national football team as well as its club teams, with exceptional and extremely in-depth media coverage of its players and their interactions, creating an entertaining spectacle for all who wish to witness it,

Clapping excessively at the thought of Tinhampton’s years of hard work to build its football team and compete in international events,

Hootin’ and hollerin’ at the fact that the Tinhamptonian manager of that CoH-winning team, Rachel Coltfield, went on to manage the national team of Squidroidia, and led the team to a World Cup qualification as well as being ranked #7 in the world for the sport of football,

Astounded by Tinhampton’s further contributions to the international football community through its commendation of three international sports powerhouses, through its authorship of the following resolutions:
  • SC#251, "Commend Alasdair I Frosticus",
  • SC#374, "Commend Nephara", and
  • SC#375, "Commend Cassadaigua",

Lauding Tinhampton's World Assembly delegacy in Auctor, where it grew the region's population fourfold and established a new, functioning and active government,

Remembering the expulsion of all the residents of Auctor, including Tinhampton,

Honoring Tinhampton's subsequent foundership of Sophia, where it served as World Assembly Delegate once again and grew a World Assembly-based region, established a legitimate government, and grew its voting power to a peak of 49 votes in this assembly,

Acknowledging Tinhampton's co-authorship of six General Assembly resolutions, chiefly inspired by a drive to assist new World Assembly authors, most notably:
  • GA #540, "Supporting People With Disabilities", a civil rights resolution to guarantee certain rights to disabled individuals including accessibility, access to mental health support services, and access to certain medical information,
  • GA #582, "Access to Effective Medication", which ensures all people in member nations are provided with access to medication for their ailments, and that such medications are affordable, and
  • GA #597, "Addressing Domestic Abuse", a strong resolution which sets out the definitions for domestic abuse and ensures that it is a criminal offense in all member nations, equally ensures that schools in member nations provide resources to children who may wish to report domestic abuse, and bans the use of marriage status as a defense for abuse charges,

Detailing Tinhampton's co-authorship of two Security Council resolutions:
  • SC#356, "Commend HumanSanity," an excellent piece of work made to honor the achievements of the long-time region builder that is HumanSanity, and
  • "Commend Valentine Z", a sizeable resolution passed by an extremely large margin due to its detail and the high commendability of the nominee,

Noting Tinhampton’s brief ventures into facing the pressing issues of this universe, through:
  • Its creation of press release #1115, created to solve the pressing issue of drug use in the many nations,
  • Its many policy changes and updates which have resulted in it being ranked in the top 1% of the universe in 24 different categories, top 5% in 16 categories, and top 10% in 8 different categories,
  • Its authorship of SC#382, Commend Sacara, another nation which has authored numerous press releases and engaged in much depth in the issues of the world,

Kicking and giggling in amazement at Tinhampton's primary authorship of eight General Assembly resolutions, most notably:
  • GA#559, "End Conversion Therapy", a resolution to ban the evil practice of conversion therapy,
  • GA#578, "Transgender Self Determination", a resolution to ensure that individuals may legally change their gender,

Acknowledging TInhampton’s contributions to the halls of the World Assembly by critiquing drafts created by other nations, and engaging in numerous debates over the years,

Gawking in awe at the fact that Tinhampton’s many badges of honor for its authorships as well as notable statistics has earned it a Legendary status among nations of the world,

Believing that the accomplishments of the aforementioned nation are significant and numerous, enough so to warrant a commendation by this august assembly,

Hereby Commends Tinhampton.
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Postby Magecastle Embassy Building A5 » Mon Nov 14, 2022 8:03 pm

Support for the nominee.

Jedinsto wrote:Recalling Tinhampton's victory in the 73rd Cup of Harmony (CoH), an international football event, using only amateur players,

I believe this should include more detail on what the CoH is -- it's one of the most important NSS tournaments, and just saying "Tinhampton won this international football event called Cup of Harmony" doesn't do this justice, in my opinion.

Recognizing that Tinhampton's government career primarily began in the Federation of Fictitious States, where Tinhampton served as a senator until the collapse of the region,

Noting that in their time in the Federation of Fictitious States, Tinhampton also served as World Assembly Delegate for four months,

What did Tinhampton do in these roles?

Further noting that many records detailing Tinhampton's work in the Federation has since been lost,

I'd advise removing this, since it doesn't seem to contribute to the case that Tinhampton is commendable.

Documenting that Tinhampton moved to Auctor following the collapse of the Federation,

Lauding Tinhampton's delegacy in Auctor, where they grew the region's population significantly and established a new government,

How much is "significantly"?

Remembering the expulsion of all the residents of Auctor, including Tinhampton,

Honoring Tinhampton's subsequent foundership of Sophia, where they served as World Assembly Delegate once again and grew a World Assembly-based region, established a legitimate government, and grew its voting power,

How did they do this? Grew it how much? Further, I don't think a peak of 49 votes is particularly impressive, so voting power doesn't seem to be the most important component of Tinhampton's stuff in Auctor.

Detailing Tinhampton's co-authorship of two Security Council resolutions, Commend HumanSanity and Commend Valentine Z,

Why is this good?

Applauding Tinhampton's primary authorship of three commendations of prominent members of the international sports community, namely:

I believe it would be worth explaining who these nations are. You could also, for narrative sake, include this earlier at the start of the proposal where you talk about their NSS contributions (you could say something like representing/advancing the presence of the sports community in the SC or something?)
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Postby Honeydewistania » Mon Nov 14, 2022 8:10 pm

You could had saved yourself some time by accepting that this would never pass and not writing this :p

If anything, more content should be granted to Tinhampton's NS Sports contributions and the RPs they post then leading the Federation of Fictitious States and other small but mostly insignificant regions (which you acknowledge by saying little records even exist)

Also, I think this should be a condemnation
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Postby Black Hawks Matter » Mon Nov 14, 2022 8:16 pm

You forgot to mention that Tinhampton is a woman. :eyebrow:

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Postby The Web of Life and Destiny » Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:00 pm

Black Hawks Matter wrote:You forgot to mention that Tinhampton is a woman. :eyebrow:

Almost like that’s against the rules or something.

Also, no, this will never pass. Why even bother?

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Postby Quebecshire » Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:01 pm

Opposed.

As for Tinhampton's Sports/RP contributions, I am not an expert and will defer to those more knowledgeable. However, being charitable, that's the only thing you've got going for her in this proposal and my understanding is that she would not be considered C/C-able on that basis alone.

Her WA approach is to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. You have not explained what is significant about any of her Security Council resolutions other than noting the popularity of Repeal "Liberate A Liberal Haven", the popularity of which is clearly creditable to its uncontroversial nature, not to Tinhampton herself nor her writing. Being the first person to contact the natives about the repeal is not commendable.

Regarding the parts about regional service and building,
Jedinsto wrote:Recognizing that Tinhampton's government career primarily began in the Federation of Fictitious States, where Tinhampton served as a senator until the collapse of the region,

Noting that in their time in the Federation of Fictitious States, Tinhampton also served as World Assembly Delegate for four months,


What is commendable about either of these things? What did they do as Senator? The region had a peak population of ~119 overall, and only ~84 under her Delegacy. What was commendable about her tenure as Delegate?

Jedinsto wrote:Lauding Tinhampton's delegacy in Auctor, where they grew the region's population significantly and established a new government,


Auctor's population peaked at 67 (under Tinhampton) and at that time she had 18 endorsements. The last records before Auctor's collapse show numbers of 57 nations in Auctor and 12 endorsements on Tinhampton.

Now, these numbers are entirely achievable with minimal dedication/attention. Stamps and API (or frankly just one or the other) can easily get a region to these numbers in a similar timeframe. It is not remotely indicative of a successful or dedicated region-builder.

Jedinsto wrote:Honoring Tinhampton's subsequent foundership of Sophia, where they served as World Assembly Delegate once again and grew a World Assembly-based region, established a legitimate government, and grew its voting power,


Tinhampton has peaked at 48 endorsements in Sophia, with a population high of 166. Not necessarily poor, but hardly commendable or particularly outstanding in terms of regional development. It's also worth noting Sophia has been in decline for some time now. While a region's quality should not be dismissed if it's no longer in its peak, we are talking about a region that was always completely unremarkable.

However, these shortcomings are compounded when we delve into what Sophia functionally is: her personal soapbox. All government releases have amounted to Tinhampton's personal opinions on a topic dressed up as formal statement, most of the Regional Officers have ceased to exist, and the region has not produced any players, events, or otherwise impacts on the game of particular note as a result of her work.
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Postby Pennyslov » Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:02 pm

Quebecshire wrote:Opposed.

As for Tinhampton's Sports/RP contributions, I am not an expert and will defer to those more knowledgeable. However, being charitable, that's the only thing you've got going for her in this proposal and my understanding is that she would not be considered C/C-able on that basis alone.

Her WA approach is to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. You have not explained what is significant about any of her Security Council resolutions other than noting the popularity of Repeal "Liberate A Liberal Haven", the popularity of which is clearly creditable to its uncontroversial nature, not to Tinhampton herself nor her writing. Being the first person to contact the natives about the repeal is not commendable.

Regarding the parts about regional service and building,
Jedinsto wrote:Recognizing that Tinhampton's government career primarily began in the Federation of Fictitious States, where Tinhampton served as a senator until the collapse of the region,

Noting that in their time in the Federation of Fictitious States, Tinhampton also served as World Assembly Delegate for four months,


What is commendable about either of these things? What did they do as Senator? The region had a peak population of ~119 overall, and only ~84 under her Delegacy. What was commendable about her tenure as Delegate?

Jedinsto wrote:Lauding Tinhampton's delegacy in Auctor, where they grew the region's population significantly and established a new government,


Auctor's population peaked at 67 (under Tinhampton) and at that time she had 18 endorsements. The last records before Auctor's collapse show numbers of 57 nations in Auctor and 12 endorsements on Tinhampton.

Now, these numbers are entirely achievable with minimal dedication/attention. Stamps and API (or frankly just one or the other) can easily get a region to these numbers in a similar timeframe. It is not remotely indicative of a successful or dedicated region-builder.

Jedinsto wrote:Honoring Tinhampton's subsequent foundership of Sophia, where they served as World Assembly Delegate once again and grew a World Assembly-based region, established a legitimate government, and grew its voting power,


Tinhampton has peaked at 48 endorsements in Sophia, with a population high of 166. Not necessarily poor, but hardly commendable or particularly outstanding in terms of regional development.

However, these shortcomings are compounded when we delve into what Sophia functionally is: her personal soapbox. All government releases have amounted to Tinhampton's personal opinions on a topic dressed up as formal statement, most of the Regional Officers have ceased to exist, and the region has not produced any players, events, or otherwise impacts on the game of particular note as a result of her work.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:02 am

As I have said numerous times before, in fact every time someone decides they’re going to C&C the nominee, zero support from me.

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Postby Valentine Z » Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:37 am

Despite her rather controversial modus operandi, the fact that she has 14 WA resolutions, 9 SC resolutions, and being more than determined to keep on going is more than good with me. ♥

In support of this, though only after you have evaluated and given more attention towards her participation and achievements in NS Sports as well. It is, in all honesty, a bit unfair to simply state that they do not deserve anything; but at the moment, the proposal needs a lot more meat and evaluation into the specifics.
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Postby Jedinsto » Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:30 am

Second draft has been posted.

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Postby Sedgistan » Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:00 am

It's very dry, even with those "Clapping excessively" bits, with lots of facts and lists, and little in the way of opinion.

A Commendation should explain why the nominee is worth of recognition, and blasting facts at the reader isn't doing that. Tinhampton is a unique player, and your proposal captures nothing of their character. They're uniquely annoying, certainly, and you should acknowledge that too, and try to persuade people why Tin is still worthy of recognition. You've little chance of success if you don't do that.

You will have to address this argument:
Quebecshire wrote:Her WA approach is to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks.

That might be by arguing that Tin has indefatigable spirit and creativity, which means they routinely attempt wacky stuff - some of it clearly ridiculous, stupid and unsuccessful (like trying to pass a Commendation to recognise a player's RL health diagnosis) - but some of it which is genuinely imaginative and unique, and enhances the experience of other players.

Personally, I found Tin incredibly annoying for a long time, but when it came to coding and testing Declarations, she was one of the beta testers, and incredibly helpful where her anal attention to detail was invaluable. She's still irritating at times, but I can appreciate the efforts of an enthusiastic, hard-working and creative player who cares, even if they don't always get it right. The proposal as currently written isn't fair on Tin though.

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Postby Honeydewistania » Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:36 am

I'm not really seeing what's improved on the second draft. It's still a lot of empty, meaningless clauses.

Major suggestions:
1. When writing about RP, please actually include RP. Was there any interesting/noteworthy RP storylines worth noting? There's no use inserting contributions to an roleplaying community like NS Sports into a proposal without referencing any RP. The Squidroidia mention is also weird since it takes up a whole clause to talk about work they've done, not Tinhampton, since Tinhampton has almost 0 effect on how Squidroidia gets a #7 rating OOCly

2. PLEASE rework how you introduce contributions to the Security Council. There's fragments of it everywhere and it's very messy. Also, I would not really write about repealing liberations. Especially literal four-liners in the case of Repeal Liberate Femdom Empire. Regarding coauthorships, it's good to elaborate that Tinhampton specifically helped out newer authors into their WA forays.

3. Elaborating on that last point, when talking about someone with as large of a presence in the WA, just mindlessly listing off authorships isn't interesting at all. As Sedge says, Tinhampton is a highly unique player whose personality/whatever you fail to capture in here. This is why I think a condemnation is especially well suited. "Tinhampton spams the WA with frivolous garbage to distract from the real agenda!" "TInhampton hitches onto proposals as coauthor to build a positive public image whilst sabotaging everything!" "Tinhampton's endless appointments of new ambassadors and inviting 18 year olds to write WA proposals is deliberately causing mayhem!" Or you could twist it around to make these sound good. In any case, it's a lot more interesting to read and tells me more about Tinhampton instead of them being yet another WA author.
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Postby Jedinsto » Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:20 am

As of now I'm working on a major redraft. I'm also considering completely changing this to a condemn.

^Stats would be included in the draft if it does switch to a condemn.
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Postby Simone Republic » Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:35 am

I suppose you can go on the angle of saying that Tin is the quintessential English eccentric (I don't use the word negatively) and celebrate her individuality and unusual contributions to NationStates.
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Simone Republic wrote:I suppose you can go on the angle of saying that Tin is the quintessential English eccentric (I don't use the word negatively) and celebrate her individuality and unusual contributions to NationStates.

Neither of which would be legal.
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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:33 am

Jedinsto wrote:As of now I'm working on a major redraft. I'm also considering completely changing this to a condemn.

^Stats would be included in the draft if it does switch to a condemn.

Tinhampton is certainly a worthy nominee; she has definitely had a substantial impact on the game. Though her approach is far from typical, her overall impact on the General Assembly has been positive. I look forwards to the new draft. Though I can see the concerns of other players, in terms of a number of low-quality drafts, I do not think that the quantity of proposals has been to any extent disruptive. Certainly, I agree that better, higher-quality drafts would be preferable, but commendations should not be disfavoured on the basis of possible, theoretical improvement, when somebody has already made a positive impact.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:16 pm

Jedinsto wrote:As of now I'm working on a major redraft. I'm also considering completely changing this to a condemn.

^Stats would be included in the draft if it does switch to a condemn.

Why stats? Her stats are hardly remarkable, and it'd be weird to paint her as an issues player when she barely answers them these days.

You could say Tinhampton is a dystopic wasteland self administrated plutocracy or whatever, but I would advise against including stats
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:53 pm

Thank you, Representative, for bringing this resolution to the floor. We already know exactly how we will vote.

Jedinsto wrote:As of now I'm working on a major redraft. I'm also considering completely changing this to a condemn.

We already know how we will vote on this version, too. Imagine that!

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Postby Foraldn » Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:33 pm

Foraldn is supportive of this proposal. We believe Tinhampton is a glorious nation with many worthy achievements as outlined in the draft.
However, the comments from the author on changing this to a condemn seem confusing and concerning. We would not support any condemnation of the nominee.
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Postby Hermes Express 123 » Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:32 pm

"I'm afraid that the Kaiserreich will be voting against this commendation. We feel that the nation of Tinhampton, and it's representatives, are not deserving of such an esteemed award from this Council".
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Postby Simone Republic » Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:20 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Simone Republic wrote:I suppose you can go on the angle of saying that Tin is the quintessential English eccentric (I don't use the word negatively) and celebrate her individuality and unusual contributions to NationStates.

Neither of which would be legal.


Obviously worded to comply with the metagaming rules.
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Postby Barbaria » Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:25 am

I once, through another account, had an idea to commend Tinhampton. However, when I telegrammed the suggestion to him, he just stated he wasn't commend-worthy. That was, I don't know, six months ago? However, I still believe his word holds true.

I might support a commendation to him later. For now, though, I oppose.
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:46 am

I have not told anyone in 2022 that I do not want to be Commended. The last person to telegram me suggesting the idea, as opposed to sending me a Discord DM or despatching a carrier pigeon to Walthamstow, was (and still is) a WA Delegate who came to me about a year ago. I didn't respond either way because he asked "how the hell have you not been commended yet?" (paraphrased, of course) rather than affirmatively asking my consent for a proposal he was going to write.

I will reiterate what I said three weeks ago:
Tinhampton wrote:
Lile Ulie Islands wrote:Did Tin even consent to this?

I do not have a problem with being Commended or Condemned in principle.
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