NationStates

Posted: **Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:25 pm**

We are aware this will be an uphill battle, but feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Authored by Excidium Planetis
Co-Authoured by The Orwell Society

Recalling the repeal of our previous Commendation of the nation of Mikeswill,

Believing that a Condemnation would be a far more fitting recognition for this nation in light of its many atrocities,

The Security Council, therefore,

Recognizes Mikeswill's institution and organization of a notorious crime ring of international art thieves, whose actions include but are not limited to:
Collection of national artworks via operatives based in satellite states,
Legal but unsavory acquisition of artwork at offering prices so low as to be declared highway robbery.
Fencing of stolen artwork through legal channels from their bases of operation to the home nation of Mikeswill.
Artificial price inflation of certain rare artworks for the purposes of swindling potential buyers and for the committing of insurance fraud
And that these actions have allowed the nation of Mikeswill to amass a collection of ill-gotten international art so massive that its value exceeds that of any other nation's galleries,

Reminds the members of this Assembly of Mikeswill's activities, under the guise of infiltration of enemy ranks, through their puppet state The Highlander 1, to refound the region Ile de France, which served as a base of operations for numerous raiding organizations, which was used as a staging point for a number of invasions, and which recruited new member nations of these organizations, all as part of a dark deal made by Mikeswill to gain immunity from the military actions of these raider organizations,

Calls attention to Mikeswill's long opposition to the Security Council's use of Liberations to help reclaim occupied regions, and their false insistence that occupation by raider forces is a failing of regional defense that should not be remedied by this Council,

Acknowledges that Mikeswill's repeated protesting against the use of Liberations is at least partially responsible for the foundation of the modern-day "Anti-Security Council" movement, which attempts to undermine this Council's authority,

Alarmed at Mikeswill's oppressive reign over the region of Nationstates, where Mikeswill has held executive power over for (with only a single brief interruption) a combined more than five thousand nine hundred and seven days, without democratic election, and under the illusion of a region dedicated to “peace” and “love”,

Believes that the culmination of all these actions has turned the once Commendable nation of Mikeswill into an international pariah deserving of the Condemnation of this Council,

and Hereby Condemns Mikeswill.

Posted: **Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:30 pm**

Against.

Posted: **Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:30 pm**

Support in principle. Will give more detailed feedback soon.

Posted: **Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:34 pm**

well it's nice to see a condemn with some thought put into it

Posted: **Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:36 pm**

support on ethical grounds.

Posted: **Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:37 pm**

The Hurricane wrote:Against.

Care to elaborate why, so that I can perhaps take your criticism into account?

Posted: **Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:40 pm**

It's true that Mikeswill has outbid me for a few cards, which is mildly annoying. Nevertheless, this sounds like a personal grudge. Against.

Posted: **Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:53 pm**

Jabberwocky wrote:It's true that Mikeswill has outbid me for a few cards, which is mildly annoying. Nevertheless, this sounds like a personal grudge. Against.

Personal grudge :rofl:

You're seriously confused. I have no grudge against Mike. I asked Mike for approval of this attempt and he said, and I quote, "That would be great!"

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:16 am**

Glad to see some support. Any suggestions for improvement will be much appreciated.

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:27 am**

Feels like it should go in stronger on the problem with NationStates the region he built. Also, you haven't got the hypocrisy of Mikeswill's principled decade of opposition to Commendations/Condemnations being punctuated by several cases of self-serving support for specific C/Cs.

Also, I've heard he says mean things to people via telegram when they get into bidding disputes on cards.

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:32 am**

As much as I don't like Mike for being the biggest card troll in existence (sniping, card sharking, dropping, heisting), the part about tactics in card trading is perfectly normal. Some find it unsavory but I think it's fine. With regards to the raider stuff, I don't really know anything about that kind of stuff so no opinion. Against.

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:43 am**

Sedgistan wrote:Feels like it should go in stronger on the problem with NationStates the region he built. Also, you haven't got the hypocrisy of Mikeswill's principled decade of opposition to Commendations/Condemnations being punctuated by several cases of self-serving support for specific C/Cs.

Also, I've heard he says mean things to people via telegram when they get into bidding disputes on cards.

Weirdly, I’m with Sedge on this one. Given that previous attempts at this include ones written by CCD members, that also doesn’t help your case. Additionally, Mike has been extremely unpleasant to interact with in the card community (at least was when I was active like a year ago). I received several disproportionately angry telegrams regarding completely fair bidding wars. He also participated in a lot of new player blocking, using his advantage of seemingly infinite time to waste on never letting any player ever take a card off him. I recall more than once where he came into the cards server with some kind of angry card rant only to dump it all the general channel and leave. I can genuinely say that behavior and that of similar players is 100% why I left the cards community and why I never intend on returning.

All in all, I don’t think a badge is deserved and I will be voting against.

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:24 am**

I’m 100% in support of an unironic condemnation of Mikeswill, NationStates, or both for the reasons outlined in Sedge’s post.

The SC has some responsibility to deter newbies from haplessly joining that dead-end backwater. It hurts the game overall.

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:26 am**

Unibot III wrote:I’m 100% in support of an unironic condemnation of Mikeswill, NationStates, or both for the reasons outlined in Sedge’s post.

The SC has some responsibility to deter newbies from haplessly joining that dead-end backwater. It hurts the game overall.

Everybody LOVES a gatekeeper….

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:42 pm**

Question: are you an alt of someone I know? Feels like it…

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:43 pm**

Lile Ulie Islands wrote:Question: are you an alt of someone I know? Feels like it…

This is a shared account between me and Excidium

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:49 pm**

The Orwell Society wrote:
Lile Ulie Islands wrote:Question: are you an alt of someone I know? Feels like it…

This is a shared account between me and Excidium

Wait: So you both post on the forums??

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:51 pm**

Fachumonn wrote:
The Orwell Society wrote:This is a shared account between me and Excidium

Wait: So you both post on the forums??

Orwellian Planets is the shared account, which we are both using to edit the proposal.

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:57 pm**

The Orwell Society wrote:
Lile Ulie Islands wrote:Question: are you an alt of someone I know? Feels like it…

This is a shared account between me and Excidium

Hmm, seems like it's better off to have one of you author and list the other as co-author, but whatever floats your boat.

As for the actual proposal, you can definitely argue that Mikeswill is condemable and point to the stuff he's done in the NationStates region as well as his cards shenanigans. Nonetheless, it will be divisive (as people might still suggest he is commendable or his actions do not merit a condemnation), and whilst card trading is another gig of his, I would put more emphasis on gameplay, which is where I think he's made the most impact, for better or worse.

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:15 pm**

Outer Sparta wrote:
The Orwell Society wrote:This is a shared account between me and Excidium

Hmm, seems like it's better off to have one of you author and list the other as co-author, but whatever floats your boat.

As for the actual proposal, you can definitely argue that Mikeswill is condemable and point to the stuff he's done in the NationStates region as well as his cards shenanigans. Nonetheless, it will be divisive (as people might still suggest he is commendable or his actions do not merit a condemnation), and whilst card trading is another gig of his, I would put more emphasis on gameplay, which is where I think he's made the most impact, for better or worse.

Thank you for your feedback. In the next draft, we will try to put more emphasis on gameplay

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:20 pm**

For clarification, The Orwell Society is coauthor and Excidium Planetis is author.

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:34 pm**

I like the combo name!

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:55 pm**

I cannot think of many delegates that would support this beyond Mikeswill himself. It takes more than existing on the site for a long time -- you actually need to contribute something.

There is no world where patting Mikeswill on the back would be politically acceptable. It is a simple consequence of spending 20 years pissing people off. As it's been mentioned already, you can be brutish, be vile to people over telegrams and DMs, be as ruthless in card auctions, should it please you. But there are political consequences for that kind of style, and not getting recognised by the Security Council is one of many such consequences. Even if you wanted to condemn Mike as a """raider""", it takes more than refounding a jump point 14 years ago and pissing away a protest vote during liberation resolutions that pass by a 90% margin.

What was actually accomplished? How was anyone bettered by Mike's actions besides Mikeswill?

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:43 pm**

I wonder what Vegas put the odds at on this passing?

Posted: **Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:37 pm**

Given the last attempt at this (and, no offence, much superior attempt) failed, what's changed that makes you think this version will pass?

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[Draft] Condemn Mikeswill

[Draft] Condemn Mikeswill