[PASSED] Commend Kringalia

[Lile Ulie Islands]

This has my full support. Kringalia is one of the nations highest on my list when I think of the idea of a nation being a public servant to a region. TSP would not be the same without their contributions and every thing they focused on became better by result. You can't think of the term justice in TSP without them. And they did it all while being a pleasure to work with.

This has my fullest endorsement and I believe this is a well deserved recognition by a humble GP giant.

Thank you for signaling your support!

[Lile Ulie Islands]

Some changes have been made! I encourage you to read over the draft and comment!

[Lile Ulie Islands]

Any and all feedback is encouraged! I'm eager to make this resolution better.

[The Black Pyramid]

I'll try to post some substantive/detailed commentary and feedback later. Feel free to poke me on Discord if I haven't done so by 11:00PM eastern time.

- Q

[Lile Ulie Islands]

I'll try to post some substantive/detailed commentary and feedback later. Feel free to poke me on Discord if I haven't done so by 11:00PM eastern time.

- Q

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[Tinhampton]

this is your first Forums post

No, it isn't. "Q" is an incredible well-known pen name of Quebecshire, multiple-time SC author. He knows what he's doing. Take his advice seriously when it comes.

[Lile Ulie Islands]

this is your first Forums post

No, it isn't. "Q" is an incredible well-known pen name of Quebecshire, multiple-time SC author. He knows what he's doing. Take his advice seriously when it comes.

Oh, oh, okay. I did not know what "Q" was in the situation. Something else came to my mind first, however, thank you for notifying me. And I do know Quebecshire, somehow. Oh, yeah MoC, that's what is was.

[Quebecshire]

Sorry for the confusion earlier, I was doing a liberation so I posted from a puppet. Anyhow, below are my thoughts on the draft, feel free to take or disagree with any of my advice. Overall I think Kringle is commendable and want to see this pass.

Firmly believing that nations who have contributed to their region and the multiverse as a whole, whether through the exceptional facilitation of freedom, democracy, or any positive impact, should be recognized by this august Security Council for their remarkable work,

I think you should rework this clause. I think it could still serve a good purpose, but it should be about introducing Kringle (in relative detail) as what he is: a dedicated pillar of the South Pacifican community/government, someone who has worked his ass off for TSP for years, especially in labor intensive though often thankless jobs (like Electoral Commissioner, etc) that require a lot of paperwork and knowledge.

Additionally, I'd remove the portion I struck out when quoting this. There's no reason to say "the SC should recognize him", as the core point of the proposal itself is to recognize him, so that's already what you're doing. That the SC should recognize him is presumed to be your argument by the existence of the proposal.

Introducing Kringalia as a political servant of The South Pacific (also known by its acronym, TSP), who has been on the front lines for fighting for The Coalition of The South Pacific, and its democratic ideals, even during its toughest of days,

I think you could combine this with the above to make a more detailed introduction clause which emphasizes his strong service record to TSP specifically.

Lauding Kringalia’s service to during its time of greatest turmoil, the infamous Milograd Coup,

Highlighting Kringalia’s service during the coup where:

Combine these two clauses. I've thrown together a quick rewrite, take or leave as much or as little as you like if you take this advice.

Lauding Kringalia's service to the Coalition during the illegal overthrow of its government in 2013, where they served as an unwavering activist for the legitimate government and contributed heavily to post-coup stability via:

• Kringalia was one of several vocal advocates against Milograd’s coup where they argued in favor of the Coalition, against Milograd’s regime,
• after Milograd was defeated, Kringalia authored the 2013 Bill of Rights, also known as the Declaration on the Rights and Duties of Nations, which outlined TSP’s desires to “become a beacon of justice and democratic rule,”

Provide more detail to the first item on this list so people know it's commendable. Did he run un-endorsement campaigns on Milograd? Things like that, which would have had a tangible impact on Milo's failure. The second item is good with detailing the document he wrote, but maybe it could include an example or two of the rights in the document that have shaped modern South Pacifican civic culture?

Noting Kringalia’s commitment to justice and democracy, which has been shown in their fight against Milograd, and their vow to protect TSP from all threats,

I don't think this clause adds very much new information, and can be removed to save characters.

Assured by Kringalia’s actions as to establish worldwide peace, in particular, peace between TSP and other regions as Minister of Foreign Affairs, and during Kringalia’s tenure as Minister of Foreign Affairs, multiple landmark treaties between regions and TSP were signed, including, but not limited to:

Mentioning the position title twice in rapid succession reads as a bit redundant to me, personally.

The Aurora Alliance, a treaty between TSP and the North Pacific, which has served as a landmark agreement between the two regions, and has further developed peace, integrity, and stability, The Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation, one between TSP and Lazarus, which has ever served as a treaty to establish the friendship and cooperation between the two regions, and The Lampshade Accords, a treaty between TSP and Spiritus, which formally established the two region’s ties as allies and friends,

I'd rework some of the wording here, and also make this into a list if it's meant to follow the previous clause. I think you should try to find things unique about the alliance, such as the longstanding nature of the Aurora Alliance (despite TSP changing alignments in the time sense), as well as the cultural importance of the Spiritus one, and so on. I'm not an expert on the Lazarus one, when was that treaty in place? Was that the one that was dissolved when the Celestial Union was couped? If so, you could mention TSP's dedication to the alliance via supporting the Resistance in 2017, but if not, I'm not sure it's worth mentioning (though any TSP history buffs can correct me if desired).

Applauding Kringalia’s efforts to promote peace, democracy, and stability around the world, especially between TSP and other regions of its size,

This does not add new information, so I'd cut it.

Further applauding Kringalia’s efforts as Minister of Regional Affairs and Delegate, where they helped train nations to become regional officers, and as Delegate, established the regional media outlet, the Southern Journal, and made a move toward defending regions from invasions, and as of now, the South Pacific Special Forces have become a well-known defense force around the world, and further believing that their acts as Delegate have shaped TSP into the democratic region it is today,

I think you need more examples for "they helped train nations to become regional officers" and "made a move toward defending regions from invasions" - there isn't much said to demonstrate how they did those things. I like the part about the Southern Journal, though! Maybe you could mention the "Coup Tuesday" themes Kringle did as Delegate (as a cultural contribution)? Those seemed like a cool cultural quirk, and some of them are quite creative!

Respecting Kringalia’s commitment to TSP as Elections Commissioner, where they administrate all of the region's elections, in a post they have held since early June 2021, when they were appointed by the Council on Regional Security, a body elaborated on below,

More detail please. Some of the election resources Kringle has made are fucking insane, and he is a work-horse as Election Commissioner, there's a lot more you can add here.

Saluting Kringalia’s service as a member of TSP’s Council on Regional Security, which serves as, along with the Coral Guard, a "crucial line of defense" against threats of a potential coup, including in 2016, when the council was called the Committee for State Security, Kringalia again defended the coalition against the coup of Delegate Hileville and Vice Delegate Imkitopia, and risked their tenure in the region for the Coalition, after being threatened multiple times to be banned and ejected from the region by the Delegate and Vice Delegate,

I would reword this to be a little more concise, and provide some detail as to the leading role he took in opposition to the Hileville coup. Thar said, the event definitely warrants mention.

Further saluting Kringalia’s duties as a jurist, after being nominated to The High Court as a permanent justice in 2017 by Roavin, succeeding Farengeto, and after reform of the judicial body, Kringalia became the court’s first Chief Justice where Kringalia has ruled on a bevy on cases, and answered multiple legal questions concerning the Criminal Code, or any general law of TSP,

Definitely worth mention, though I'd find some more details. Did Kringle make any of the court resources like the case submission system? I'd look into that, and if so, include it. Also, maybe find out how many opinions he's written, and mention any particularly substantial ones.

Appreciative of Kringalia’s democratic efforts while serving TSP, from their penmanship of important bills and treaties in the history of TSP, or their service to assist all nations in TSP,

I would either add more detail for legislative contributions or remove this clause.

Believing that Kringalia’s work in TSP has shown their steadfast commitment to democracy, whether that is preventing the region from a coup, installing democratic policies where everyone is benefited, or their commitment to serve the people of The South Pacific, and therefore believing that their efforts should not go unseen by the Security Council, and on that account,

I would reword this to be less of a run-on, but it's not a bad basis for a conclusion clause.

All in all, good luck! Happy to answer questions about anything I said.

[The Orwell Society]

Support! This is a very good draft presenting a strong case for commendability - you did your research and gave effort and only good came out of it. Other than what Quebec has already stated, I don't see much room for major improvement on a rather preliminary read. Excellent job.

[Lile Ulie Islands]

Support! This is a very good draft presenting a strong case for commendability - you did your research and gave effort and only good came out of it. Other than what Quebec has already stated, I don't see much room for major improvement on a rather preliminary read. Excellent job.

Thank you for your support!

And for Quebecshire- I am a bit busy and on mobile right now so expect changes in like 15 hours

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

My thoughts on this draft below.

The Security Council,

Firmly believing that nations who have contributed to their region and the multiverse as a whole, whether through the exceptional facilitation of freedom, democracy, or any positive impact, therefore, introducing Kringalia as a political servant of The South Pacific (also known by its acronym, TSP), who has been on the front lines for fighting for The Coalition of The South Pacific, and its democratic ideals, even during its toughest of days,

Reasonable preamble

Lauding Kringalia's service to the Coalition during the illegal overthrow of its government in 2013, after Milograd took control of the region, and highlighting Kringalia’s post-coup stability efforts where:

• Kringalia was one of several vocal advocates against Milograd’s coup where they argued in favor of the Coalition, against Milograd’s regime,
• after Milograd was defeated, Kringalia authored the 2013 Bill of Rights, also known as the Declaration on the Rights and Duties of Nations, which outlined TSP’s desires to “become a beacon of justice and democratic rule,”

Being a vocal advocate is not a reason for commending someone. I was a vocal advocate against Neenee's and later Eli's coups in TWP. Doesn't make me commendable, though the level of snark employed was pretty good. If they actually led the counter-coup, then things might be different. Also I've seen heaps of similar documents to the one mentioned over the years, nothing exceptional there. Finally, I thought Milo's coup was in 2012?

Noting Kringalia’s commitment to justice and democracy, which has been shown in their fight against Milograd, and their vow to protect TSP from all threats,

Now you're just repeating yourself. Fluff.

Assured by Kringalia’s actions as to establish worldwide peace, in particular, peace between TSP and other regions as Minister of Foreign Affairs, and during Kringalia’s tenure as Minister of Foreign Affairs, multiple landmark treaties between regions and TSP were signed, including, but not limited to:

The Aurora Alliance, a treaty between TSP and the North Pacific, which has served as a landmark agreement between the two regions, and has further developed peace, integrity, and stability, The Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation, one between TSP and Lazarus, which has ever served as a treaty to establish the friendship and cooperation between the two regions, and The Lampshade Accords, a treaty between TSP and Spiritus, which formally established the two region’s ties as allies and friends,

You have shown no reason why these are exceptional - many other MFA's have agreed similar types and numbers of treaties.

Applauding Kringalia’s efforts to promote peace, democracy, and stability around the world, especially between TSP and other regions of its size,

You're repeating yourself once again. And it's just fluff.

Further applauding Kringalia’s efforts as Minister of Regional Affairs and Delegate, where they helped train nations to become regional officers, and as Delegate, established the regional media outlet, the Southern Journal, and made a move toward defending regions from invasions, and as of now, the South Pacific Special Forces have become a well-known defense force around the world, and further believing that their acts as Delegate have shaped TSP into the democratic region it is today,

TSP was always a highly democratic region, for as long as I can remember - and I've been around since 2003. In fact this was in the past a major bone of contention between TSP and TWP where we believed the supremacy of the in-game Delegate is paramount. Training nations to become ROs is what you do as a Delegate, nothing special about that.

Respecting Kringalia’s commitment to TSP as Elections Commissioner, where they administrate all of the region's elections, in a post they have held since early June 2021, when they were appointed by the Council on Regional Security, a body elaborated on below,

Again no reason why this is exceptional or Commendable

Saluting Kringalia’s service as a member of TSP’s Council on Regional Security, which serves as, along with the Coral Guard, a "crucial line of defense" against threats of a potential coup, including in 2016, when the council was called the Committee for State Security, Kringalia again defended the coalition against the coup of Delegate Hileville and Vice Delegate Imkitopia, and risked their tenure in the region for the Coalition, after being threatened multiple times to be banned and ejected from the region by the Delegate and Vice Delegate,

Yes, but were they a leader or just another voice in the crowd?

Further saluting Kringalia’s duties as a jurist, after being nominated to The High Court as a permanent justice in 2017 by Roavin, succeeding Farengeto, and after reform of the judicial body, Kringalia became the court’s first Chief Justice where Kringalia has ruled on a bevy on cases, and answered multiple legal questions concerning the Criminal Code, or any general law of TSP,

I'm sure numerous other nations in other regions holding similar positions are equally as knowledgeable about their own region's laws etc. Not Commendable.

Appreciative of Kringalia’s democratic efforts while serving TSP, from their penmanship of important bills and treaties in the history of TSP, or their service to assist all nations in TSP,

Fluff.

Believing that Kringalia’s work in TSP has shown their steadfast commitment to democracy, whether that is preventing the region from a coup, installing democratic policies where everyone is benefited, or their commitment to serve the people of The South Pacific, and therefore believing that their efforts should not go unseen by the Security Council, and on that account,

Hereby commends Kringalia.

Well they didn't actually prevent coups - in your own words they were advocates against two of them.

Overall, you've made a fair effort. However, you have simply failed to prove, in my opinion, that the nominee is a valid candidate for Commendation. This would work really well for an internal TSP Commendation, but not for a Security Council one. If this does reach a vote then I will be voting against it.

[Lile Ulie Islands]

I'm doing more research; especially concerning some of the topics Quebecshire brought up, but hopefully soon I'll be ready to make some edits, as I have done some already.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

I'm doing more research; especially concerning some of the topics Quebecshire brought up, but hopefully soon I'll be ready to make some edits, as I have done some already.

Please ignore my questioning of when Milo’s coup took place - it was 2013. Just checked on your RMB when a puppet of mine was there supporting Milo, along with a few other senior TWPers.

[Lile Ulie Islands]

I'm doing more research; especially concerning some of the topics Quebecshire brought up, but hopefully soon I'll be ready to make some edits, as I have done some already.

Please ignore my questioning of when Milo’s coup took place - it was 2013. Just checked on your RMB when a puppet of mine was there supporting Milo, along with a few other senior TWPers.

Oh...okay. Wait - your puppet supported Milo?

[Quebecshire]

Please ignore my questioning of when Milo’s coup took place - it was 2013. Just checked on your RMB when a puppet of mine was there supporting Milo, along with a few other senior TWPers.

Oh...okay. Wait - your puppet supported Milo?

BBD has posted about this before a couple times. TWP has more or less always maintained that the in-game Delegate is inherently legitimate (and acted on this more often in the past), and Milo was friends with some of their more establishment figures.

[Lile Ulie Islands]

Oh...okay. Wait - your puppet supported Milo?

BBD has posted about this before a couple times. TWP has more or less always maintained that the in-game Delegate is inherently legitimate (and acted on this more often in the past), and Milo was friends with some of their more establishment figures.

Interesting...

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

BBD has posted about this before a couple times. TWP has more or less always maintained that the in-game Delegate is inherently legitimate (and acted on this more often in the past), and Milo was friends with some of their more establishment figures.

Interesting...

That’s as maybe. However, democracy in TSP did not start with Kringalia as your clause about the Bill of Rights implies - it was well established many years prior. TSP were so snobbish about their systems that they refused any diplomatic overtures from TWP for donkey’s years because of our belief in Delegate supremacy.

[Lile Ulie Islands]

Interesting...

That’s as maybe. However, democracy in TSP did not start with Kringalia as your clause about the Bill of Rights implies - it was well established many years prior. TSP were so snobbish about their systems that they refused any diplomatic overtures from TWP for donkey’s years because of our belief in Delegate supremacy.

Well, I understand if it is vague in the resolution, and I will change it, however, Kringalia brought democracy back to TSP, especially after the Milograd's coup. We love our democracy in TSP, as many can tell

[Unibot III]

Interesting...

That’s as maybe. However, democracy in TSP did not start with Kringalia as your clause about the Bill of Rights implies - it was well established many years prior. TSP were so snobbish about their systems that they refused any diplomatic overtures from TWP for donkey’s years because of our belief in Delegate supremacy.

Ridiculous. TWP supported both Devonitians and Milograd. Any opportunity to bring down democracy in TSP. TWP flooded people in to endorse them. TSP was as just in the right to criticize TWP as TWP would have been if TSP had challenged the oligarchy in TWP.

[Lile Ulie Islands]

This thread was not meant to be a TWP-TSP argument, however, well, it’s interesting to hear about these conflicts.

[Lile Ulie Islands]

Added more about the High Court; especially the Online Rulings Consultation System.

Also learned that is over the character count by 43 characters (including BBCode). I will be working on revising that, however, I suspect that may be because of the box and the align codes for the Forum presentation.

Any other thoughts?

[Tinhampton]

Box and align codes will not format properly and should not be included. In addition, coauthors should be listed using the "Add a co-author" feature rather than in the text.

In clause one, just say "The South Pacific (TSP)". Everybody knows that TSP is an acronym of The South Pacific anyway

Who called the Coral Guard "a "crucial line of defense""?

I fully intend to give you bigger, skinnier (!?!!) feedback tomorrow-ish. (Or not: I may be busy with other stuff. It will, eventually, come.)

[Lile Ulie Islands]

Box and align codes will not format properly and should not be included. In addition, coauthors should be listed using the "Add a co-author" feature rather than in the text.

In clause one, just say "The South Pacific (TSP)". Everybody knows that TSP is an acronym of The South Pacific anyway

Who called the Coral Guard "a "crucial line of defense""?

I fully intend to give you bigger, skinnier (!?!!) feedback tomorrow-ish. (Or not: I may be busy with other stuff. It will, eventually, come.)

I know about the box/align codes. I’ll take them out when submitting. And for TSP, well, there is always that one person.

For the Coral Guard, I saw that somewhere, and I keep trying to remember exactly where, however, I believe it was from a Coalition dispatch. I’m trying to find that.

Thank you for your commitment to feedback!

[Lile Ulie Islands]

Any further thoughts?

[Hulldom]

I'll have time and focus for more detailed comments later, but suffice it to say, I have some.