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Unibot III
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Postby Unibot III » Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:16 am

Hulldom wrote:Bumpedy bump.

Edit: Talked to someone and have adopted (in good part) the Unibot comment on the Independent Manifesto, which I hope is clearer. Additionally, reworked the Lauding clause a bit.


For what’s it worth, I like where the draft is going. At this point, it seems like a balanced draft that should be widely acceptable on the international scene. Before submitting, I would suggest taking a look at some of the comments I made about sentence structure for other clauses, but I’m sure you’re anxious to complete the vetting process and move to vote. :)

Good luck, btw.
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Bhang Bhang Duc
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:03 pm

A well written and researched draft and a highly suitable replacement. Like a few others though, I find the “inherently existing” bit is somewhat clunky, but I understand the reasoning behind it. It’s a tricky tap dance around the rules and I don’t have any better suggestions to negotiate them.

Certainly wouldn’t prevent me from supporting this proposal.
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Hulldom
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Postby Hulldom » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:12 am

This was submitted.
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Postby Quebecshire » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:20 am

Wonderful work, looking forward to supporting it.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:18 am

I as well look forward to seeing it at vote.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:00 pm

I am immensely disappointed with the drivel that NPU has put out in the form of a counter-telegram to Delegates. Bad-faith arguments, misleading statements, and outright lies.

Fortunately, the vast majority of Delegates appear to have seen through their "arguments", as the counter-campaign appears to have had a negligible impact on approvals.
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Postby Roylaii » Thu Aug 18, 2022 5:49 pm

I read NPU's counter-telegram and found it unconvincing. I think it was Morover who at some point made the point that it would have been slightly better if the author-coauthor had been the other way around in regards to the repeal and the replacement to which i concur, but what is done is done and beyond that the fact that Hulldom is a citizen of Europeia is not something that bothers me ridiculously. The proposal is well written and the nominee deserving, which is all that matters to me. Full support.
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The North Polish Union
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Postby The North Polish Union » Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:50 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:I am immensely disappointed with the drivel that NPU has put out in the form of a counter-telegram to Delegates. Bad-faith arguments, misleading statements, and outright lies.

Fortunately, the vast majority of Delegates appear to have seen through their "arguments", as the counter-campaign appears to have had a negligible impact on approvals.

It is one thing not to be convinced by my objections, but it is another thing entirely to make such accusations as you have here. I am prepared to defend the allegations I made concerning this resolution, and have been doing so publically already. Are you able to do the same?

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In any case this looks likely to pass, and I see TNP's delegate has voted for it. I look forward to TNP quorum raiding the Coalition of Corrupt Dictator's next self-commend attempt as they did the most recent one. The hypocrisy will make it entertaining.
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Postby Quebecshire » Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:53 am

The North Polish Union wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I am immensely disappointed with the drivel that NPU has put out in the form of a counter-telegram to Delegates. Bad-faith arguments, misleading statements, and outright lies.

Fortunately, the vast majority of Delegates appear to have seen through their "arguments", as the counter-campaign appears to have had a negligible impact on approvals.

It is one thing not to be convinced by my objections, but it is another thing entirely to make such accusations as you have here. I am prepared to defend the allegations I made concerning this resolution, and have been doing so publically already. Are you able to do the same?

--

In any case this looks likely to pass, and I see TNP's delegate has voted for it. I look forward to TNP quorum raiding the Coalition of Corrupt Dictator's next self-commend attempt as they did the most recent one. The hypocrisy will make it entertaining.

I don't believe the preeminent basis for those quorum raiding operations has ever been the fact that they were self-commends.
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Hulldom
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Postby Hulldom » Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:56 am

Quebecshire wrote:
The North Polish Union wrote:It is one thing not to be convinced by my objections, but it is another thing entirely to make such accusations as you have here. I am prepared to defend the allegations I made concerning this resolution, and have been doing so publically already. Are you able to do the same?

--

In any case this looks likely to pass, and I see TNP's delegate has voted for it. I look forward to TNP quorum raiding the Coalition of Corrupt Dictator's next self-commend attempt as they did the most recent one. The hypocrisy will make it entertaining.

I don't believe the preeminent basis for those quorum raiding operations has ever been the fact that they were self-commends.

Can confirm that was never our reasoning for opposing via any means necessary any effort at recognizing CCD (beyond their Liberation, but granted I wasn’t around then so could be wrong on that). Our reason was because they tried (extremely unsuccessfully, but besides the point) to subvert us back in 2019-2020, an operation exposed in the first part of 2020.

One does not just attempt to subvert a GCR and get away with it. We have elephants’ memories.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:57 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:I am immensely disappointed with the drivel that NPU has put out in the form of a counter-telegram to Delegates. Bad-faith arguments, misleading statements, and outright lies.

You cannot be serious? TNP engages in this sort of shit all the time, and now when there is some blowback, the world falls apart? I think everyone should go outside for a 30 minute walk just to digest that level of hypocrisy.....
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

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Hulldom
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Postby Hulldom » Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:06 am

Wayneactia wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I am immensely disappointed with the drivel that NPU has put out in the form of a counter-telegram to Delegates. Bad-faith arguments, misleading statements, and outright lies.

You cannot be serious? TNP engages in this sort of shit all the time, and now when there is some blowback, the world falls apart? I think everyone should go outside for a 30 minute walk just to digest that level of hypocrisy.....

I think this assumes that we were quite upset about this at all. On the contrary, we expected what we got and we handled it. Simple as.
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American Rockies
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Postby American Rockies » Fri Aug 19, 2022 3:49 pm

I personally see nothing of note of Europeia that demands commendations. Yes, they are a great region who demands respect, but they haven’t saved the WA or anything. The WA should not have a stand on politics or preference, and by commending Europeia the WA takes an active stand on political decisions, no matter how essential those policies may seem to us.

OOC: The UN doesn’t commend Russia for being big, China for having lots of people, the UK for being old, Germany for being more progressive or the US for being a great economy.

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WayNeacTia
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Postby WayNeacTia » Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:53 pm

Hulldom wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:You cannot be serious? TNP engages in this sort of shit all the time, and now when there is some blowback, the world falls apart? I think everyone should go outside for a 30 minute walk just to digest that level of hypocrisy.....

I think this assumes that we were quite upset about this at all. On the contrary, we expected what we got and we handled it. Simple as.

Seeing as how GC just decided to throw a bitchfest, I believe the contrary....
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

wait

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Postby Simone Republic » Sat Aug 20, 2022 5:35 am

Support.
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Hulldom
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Postby Hulldom » Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:16 am

Wayneactia wrote:
Hulldom wrote:I think this assumes that we were quite upset about this at all. On the contrary, we expected what we got and we handled it. Simple as.

Seeing as how GC just decided to throw a bitchfest, I believe the contrary....

Without our sanction or our knowledge he was planning to do so. I know you won’t believe me on this but I really had nothing to do with it and didn’t know he was going to do it until he did it.
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WayNeacTia
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Postby WayNeacTia » Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:06 am

Hulldom wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Seeing as how GC just decided to throw a bitchfest, I believe the contrary....

Without our sanction or our knowledge he was planning to do so. I know you won’t believe me on this but I really had nothing to do with it and didn’t know he was going to do it until he did it.

Fair enough. I take you at your word. My point on about GC on the other hand still stands. Perhaps someone should educate them on the nuances of shooting ones mouth off and making their region look bad.....
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

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Postby Tinhampton » Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:52 pm

Commend Europeia was passed 12,824 votes to 2,209. (85.31% support)
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Postby Fachumonn » Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:40 am

Congrats.
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Bhang Bhang Duc
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:34 am

Congratulations to all. A nice bit of work getting the repeal and replace in quick succession.
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Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

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Postby The North Polish Union » Tue Aug 23, 2022 7:22 am

Congratulations to Europeia.

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Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.

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WayNeacTia
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Postby WayNeacTia » Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:42 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:Congratulations to Europeia.


Head of nail smacked squarely. The first commendation was actually valid, as it was passed by a neutral party. This was nothing more than backpatting and sycophancy.....
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac

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