[SCRAPPED] Commend the Order of the Grey Wardens

[The Orwell Society]

I have recently been informed that the Wardens have changed their minds and do not want a commendation at this moment, therefore this proposal has been [SCRAPPED]. Thank you all.

[Cappedore]

It shouldn’t be dependent on whether or not they want one, but whether or not they deserve one.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

It shouldn’t be dependent on whether or not they want one, but whether or not they deserve one.

The convention in the SC has always been to ask the nominee’s permission before writing a C&C. If that permission is refused or rescinded then you stop drafting.

True, that convention is not always honoured, but that tends to be the SC equivalent of shit-posting, e.g. the attempts to condemn TCB.

[Tim-Opolis]

FWIW The Order of The Grey Wardens is not opposed to being Commended, and would welcome a well-written proposal by someone who we don't have to do the research for.

[West Barack and East Obama]

It shouldn’t be dependent on whether or not they want one, but whether or not they deserve one.

OOC: It seems weird to respect someone so much to decide to Commend them, but not respect them enough to hold off if they declinem.

[WayNeacTia]

Perhaps if the author decided to put as much effort into drafting a decent proposal, as they put into badge hunting, they might actually see some success.

[The Orwell Society]

Perhaps if the author decided to put as much effort into drafting a decent proposal, as they put into badge hunting, they might actually see some success.

Would you shut up about badgehunting? Not everyone who doesn't live up to your ultra-high standards (which by the way, you aren't even close to living up to yourself) is badgehunter. I couldn't give a flying fuck about getting a stupid little badge on my nation's page, so stop calling me one.

[Cappedore]

It shouldn’t be dependent on whether or not they want one, but whether or not they deserve one.

The convention in the SC has always been to ask the nominee’s permission before writing a C&C. If that permission is refused or rescinded then you stop drafting.

True, that convention is not always honoured, but that tends to be the SC equivalent of shit-posting, e.g. the attempts to condemn TCB.

Ahh right I see, thanks for clarifying

[Cappedore]

Perhaps if the author decided to put as much effort into drafting a decent proposal, as they put into badge hunting, they might actually see some success.

I’d like to make it clear that this is the goal of most WA resolution authors - I genuinely couldn’t think of a more suitable reason other than badge hunting considering the resolutions passed in this game don’t really have an ultimate result, unless it’s something like a Liberation.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

I have recently been informed that the Wardens have changed their minds and do not want a commendation at this moment, therefore this proposal has been [SCRAPPED]. Thank you all.

FWIW The Order of The Grey Wardens is not opposed to being Commended, and would welcome a well-written proposal by someone who we don't have to do the research for.

Burn baby, burn.

[PhilTech]

I’d like to make it clear that this is the goal of most WA resolution authors - I genuinely couldn’t think of a more suitable reason other than badge hunting considering the resolutions passed in this game don’t really have an ultimate result, unless it’s something like a Liberation.

This got me thinking. Why not find a way to make them more consequential? For more gameplay immersion.

Like for example, condemned nations should be put in a maximum security prison type region wherein that player in particular aren't allowed to leave that region in a given timeframe depending on his sentence (can be a life sentence) issued by the SC author. The player can ask for a parole. An SC author can of course repeal it or lower the sentence. Yes, they'll be treated as criminals by the entire NS community.

I can't think of anything about commendations though since giving a player a "badge of peace" is already consequential. But maybe include some form of mechanic that will put the nation (directly or indirectly) under intense scrutiny by the NS Community for its lifetime just like the Nobel peace prize, which is always controversial.

These badges will serve its purpose rather than some sort of bragging rights, especially with the condemnations - I just see it now as a commendation 2.0 but for raiders which is rather disappointing when I think about it --- while commendations are for defenders.

This might also spawn some interesting IC Villains which I find rather lacking now in NS. OOC fighting is a trend nowadays which I can't blame because it's a trend.

And besides, It's The "Security" Council not The "Badge" Council. They are...Juries---Executioners---Judges.

...I've watched Judge Dredd for the third time last weekend because I have nothing else better to do, so please bear with me. Damn me for this...

[Fachumonn]

-snip-

This is incredibly ignorant, you should look more into c/c's.

[Cappedore]

I’d like to make it clear that this is the goal of most WA resolution authors - I genuinely couldn’t think of a more suitable reason other than badge hunting considering the resolutions passed in this game don’t really have an ultimate result, unless it’s something like a Liberation.

This got me thinking. Why not find a way to make them more consequential? For more gameplay immersion.

Like for example, condemned nations should be put in a maximum security prison type region wherein that player in particular aren't allowed to leave that region in a given timeframe depending on his sentence (can be a life sentence) issued by the SC author. The player can ask for a parole. An SC author can of course repeal it or lower the sentence. Yes, they'll be treated as criminals by the entire NS community.

I can't think of anything about commendations though since giving a player a "badge of peace" is already consequential. But maybe include some form of mechanic that will put the nation (directly or indirectly) under intense scrutiny by the NS Community for its lifetime just like the Nobel peace prize, which is always controversial.

These badges will serve its purpose rather than some sort of bragging rights, especially with the condemnations - I just see it now as a commendation 2.0 but for raiders which is rather disappointing when I think about it --- while commendations are for defenders.

This might also spawn some interesting IC Villains which I find rather lacking now in NS. OOC fighting is a trend nowadays which I can't blame because it's a trend.

And besides, It's The "Security" Council not The "Badge" Council. They are...Juries---Executioners---Judges.

...I've watched Judge Dredd for the third time last weekend because I have nothing else better to do, so please bear with me. Damn me for this...

This is such a good idea and I'm glad somebody has listed out what can be changed - NS can have so much more immersion if it was more than just a simple point and click game.

[Fachumonn]

This got me thinking. Why not find a way to make them more consequential? For more gameplay immersion.

Like for example, condemned nations should be put in a maximum security prison type region wherein that player in particular aren't allowed to leave that region in a given timeframe depending on his sentence (can be a life sentence) issued by the SC author. The player can ask for a parole. An SC author can of course repeal it or lower the sentence. Yes, they'll be treated as criminals by the entire NS community.

I can't think of anything about commendations though since giving a player a "badge of peace" is already consequential. But maybe include some form of mechanic that will put the nation (directly or indirectly) under intense scrutiny by the NS Community for its lifetime just like the Nobel peace prize, which is always controversial.

These badges will serve its purpose rather than some sort of bragging rights, especially with the condemnations - I just see it now as a commendation 2.0 but for raiders which is rather disappointing when I think about it --- while commendations are for defenders.

This might also spawn some interesting IC Villains which I find rather lacking now in NS. OOC fighting is a trend nowadays which I can't blame because it's a trend.

And besides, It's The "Security" Council not The "Badge" Council. They are...Juries---Executioners---Judges.

...I've watched Judge Dredd for the third time last weekend because I have nothing else better to do, so please bear with me. Damn me for this...

This is such a good idea and I'm glad somebody has listed out what can be changed - NS can have so much more immersion if it was more than just a simple point and click game.

Once again, this is incredibly ignorant. You need to do more research about what you're talking about.

[Cappedore]

This is such a good idea and I'm glad somebody has listed out what can be changed - NS can have so much more immersion if it was more than just a simple point and click game.

Once again, this is incredibly ignorant. You need to do more research about what you're talking about.

How is it ignorant? Your use of terminology here is concerning.

[PhilTech]

-snip-

This is incredibly ignorant, you should look more into c/c's.

Like I said...

"...Damn me for this"

Nothing OOC Personal. It's just me expressing my ignorant, shitty and toxic Ideas.

[Sedgistan]

Discussion on technical changes should go in Technical. C/Cs work because they have no mechanical effects. That doesn't mean there couldn't be other categories that do have positive/negative effects on nations.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Blunt is what I do, no point in sugar coating something. If it’s good or the author has made a decent attempt, then I’ll say it and give them support. This is not good and the author has not made a decent attempt.

I assure you, I put quite a bit of effort into the writing of this draft. I have been working practically nonstop for hours researching and talking with the Wardens.

Hours? I had a chat with friend of mine who has authored SC resolutions. They said they spent up to month preparing the draft off-site, before publishing on the forums here. Add maybe another two to four weeks for critiques, rewrites etc. here and then submit.

Makes your “hours” seem rather paltry.

[WayNeacTia]

Perhaps if the author decided to put as much effort into drafting a decent proposal, as they put into badge hunting, they might actually see some success.

Would you shut up about badgehunting? Not everyone who doesn't live up to your ultra-high standards (which by the way, you aren't even close to living up to yourself) is badgehunter. I couldn't give a flying fuck about getting a stupid little badge on my nation's page, so stop calling me one.

*Yawn......*

Perhaps if the author decided to put as much effort into drafting a decent proposal, as they put into badge hunting, they might actually see some success.

I’d like to make it clear that this is the goal of most WA resolution authors - I genuinely couldn’t think of a more suitable reason other than badge hunting considering the resolutions passed in this game don’t really have an ultimate result, unless it’s something like a Liberation.

The point I was trying to convey to the author was the quality of the attempt. It was pretty clear from this post that the author hadn't done any research at all. Given that they posted this less than 24 hours later, I wasn't shocked at what we received. A laundry list, taken from the very thread I just linked. I invite you to take a gander over at the General Assembly forums. You can see by how many dead drafts the author has over there. When someone shotguns shit at the wall hoping something will stick, they are after an authorship badge. I also conveyed to the author that if they decided to actually stick with something, they may actually see some success. All of this sailed over their head and they focused on two words, and two words only "Badge Hunter". Now given the evidence I have presented, I think I have conclusively proven, that no matter how hard you shuffle the deck, a spade is always going to be a spade.

[Minskiev]

SC resolutions take a while, especially ones like this. Don't rag on Orwell so hard, he bit off more than he could chew.

[Outer Sparta]

SC resolutions take a while, especially ones like this. Don't rag on Orwell so hard, he bit off more than he could chew.

If Orwell really wants to learn, then he can do the research ahead of time, work on it off-site and consult help from others even before posting it as a formal draft on here. Then one can get further feedback on the forums before formally submitting it.