Red Deseret wrote:Nationalist Northumbria wrote:Strange how no such demands are being made of other proposals...
Also your other post was wrong, kindly acknowledge my reply proving you wrong.
All he's asking from you are a couple sources to validate your claims, which so far you haven't provided in any of your condemnations. I think that's a pretty reasonable "demand" considering what you're attempting to propose here.
TCB has this dispatch pinned. The second thing linked in the dispatch is this rmb post, which denies the Uighur genocide and claims that the holodomor is far-right propaganda.
Famines And Genocide
I dont really understand how one could call themselves a Socialist and backup BS claims that come from far-right figures with clear agendas. But knowing you're that same person who supports America and freely serve it. This section is for you Greater Worker Councils, you cry genocide yet serve america, a nation built on genocide, that's supported multiple world genocides and whose very existence is a denial those native to the land, pure disgust.Uyghur Genocide
Your claim of genocide and stubborn support of such a notion is nothing surprising considering your other posts.
The first claimant of genocide came from Adrian Zenz, a main so entwined with the right that he came up with the claim that he was sent by god to destroy china and communism. Really this is your guy? He clearly is here on a mission with an agenda, moreover his proof of a genocide is absurd.
Firstly as United World Communes keeps bringing up, having people give testimonies to the UN doesn't make their testimonies real. These can be faked and manipulated, also this is what can be counted as anecdotal evidence, especially since there are far more people who are against this narrative.
The reeducation camps are opened by China and with any big media outlet you could go and see for yourself. Space based pictures haven't shown anything unusual.
Their purpose hasn't been to destroy Dzhungarian culture, they are there to target people returning from aiding terrorists and any people who are at risk of radicalisation. There arent any mass graves nor is there any mass incarceration, with only a small population bieng targeted.
So many pictures about the so called atrocities are always quickly disproved like that image of torture from a year or two ago bieng apparently from a BDSM club in Taiwan.
Another consideration should be how these reeducation camps actually discharge people, are allowed visits and how conditions there are better than those in US prisons, I'd see no reason in comfort if genocide is the purpose.
A look at who supported this narrative has to be taken into consideration, trump supports this despite his racist muslim ban, and the US despite a billion years of constantly bombarding and occupying Islamic majority states supports this narrative. The west kills terrorists and civilians and China rehabilitates them but China is the genocide, thus is just pathetic. Minds are for thinking.
A final consideration I'll raise today is that muslim majority states haven't supported the idea of a genocide on their fellow muslims, nor have their fellow turkic peoples done the same, but an unrelated people that has proven hostility and prejudice to not only them but countless peoples around the world wants to choose a position "for" those people it's usually killing indiscriminately, this is just a load of BS.
Another thing I'd almost forgot is why target them, various other ethnicities hold the same characteristics of Uyghurs in China (bieng Muslim and turanian) such as the Oirat,Kazakhs, Tajiks, Pamirs etc. But they arent even going through any similar experiences, the claim of cultural and religious alignment is the accepted reason for this purported genocide but similar groups arent getting the same treatment, clearly this genocide claim olis besides the point.
Holodomor
I wont have someone disrespecting, the national history of so many peoples due to your blind support of random fascists.
You saw this on some textbook or YouTube video, this is history my great grandparents who are contemporous to the period and regions, I've heard about this from personal memoirs of theirs and you support such a position that is completely devoid of evidence and witnesses. Ofcourse unlike you I won't resort to such evidence.
I'm an ethnic Ukrainian of mixed descent, and a former Ukrainian national and citizen. Having some foreign maidanist supporter school me about a personal history is literally a white burden kind of BS.
overview, causes
Holodomor (Голодомор), meaning starvation in eastern slavic languages was a famine of mixed origins in the 1930s.
It was caused by a combination of natural and artificial factors, failed yields due to droughts, and most importantly the kulaks (landowning peasants who had special rights to the crops grown on their land) who began burning crops and livestock despite bieng subsistence farmers who live of what they produce. They were under the influence of predominantly the russian orthodox church. Because the Russian empire lacked any reasonable infrastructure (the Soviet Union was facing a momentous task of building it all in which they succeeded) it took about 3 months for word of genocide to reach the all Union government. But when it was known steps were taken to end it.
Intentionality and Means to do so
A lacking reason of intenionality seems to be persistent. Since the famine affected the rural areas where the only political people were educated by the Soviet government and would have had Socialist opinions because they knew nothing else. Any potential target of significance would've been in cities, the only places where anyone who would have any non/pre-Soviet political views would live.
Also why would we be rebelling, considering that up even to the present date in the Ukrainian nationality hasn't had a period of better cultural development or freedom than during the Soviet period. The very idea of boeng Ukrainian was supported first by the Soviets when for generations such a right was denied, people obviously like the Soviets for this. Furthermore they supported so many cultural activities and intellectuals like the works of Taras Shevchenko which are key to our national consciousness. If the Soviets didnt like us they could've just not done any of this and assimilated us in the already pre-existing Trideunerussian ethnicity of the Russian empire denying four ethnicities of our national consciousness.
Another lack is the lack of the means to do so. Common claims are that collectivisation was used to do this but this is literal BS, because this famine then showed the need for collectivisation in especially in the fertile chernozem soil of the central eurasian steppes. So the means in how this was achieved is in itself built on a lie.
regions affected
The regions this famine occured in the Russian majority north eastern Ukraine, Belarusian majority south eastern Belarus, Russian majority south central Russia, Russian majority south western Russian Siberia, and finally Russian majority northern Kazakhstan. Furthermore the regions with clear Ukrainian majorities are only on the west bank of the Dniepr'. Excluding the southern west bank with a Russian majority. If a purpose to kill Ukrainians then the target would have been in the west bank of the Dniepr not in areas of clear Russian majority.
importance to maidanists
The significance of this claim of genocide today is that it is bieng used as the source of fuel of this very toxic strand of right wing nationalism endemic in today's Ukraine. They seek to use this as katyn was used by Poland in bolstering it's far right. Both unfactual and with the obvious benefits of the leaders of the increasingly fascist nation. Despite this Ukrainians especially those who lived in the period are strongly supportive of not only the Soviet Union but Stalin in particular, something that is never afforded to anyone who kills of a populace by that populace.
Worldview
The only nations that recognise this so called genocide are the rightist states of the Baltics, Poland, Ukraine (all states with an open policy of anti-communism often supporting nazis and their collaborators) with the last bieng Canada (a nation which was still actively committing a genocide against its native minority as late as the 80s and 90s, canada was also the main destination of far right OUN defectors and now a home to their descendants. )
The UN collectively dosent recognise such BS, yet you come on in and take the side of fascists. Your views are a disgrace to leftism, and you're endorsing the coup government of Ukraine in their never ending war against democracy and any form of workers rights.
Also did you know during the chinese revolution a disproportionately higher number of people volunteered from the Uyghurs than from any other ethnicity.
