[DRAFT] Condemn The Communist Bloc

[Nationalist Northumbria]

1. TCB's raid of Congress of Armed Proletarian States.
2. Holodomor denial on the RMB, including by regional officers.
3. Their First Minister has talked of "Ukrainian neo-Nazis" (which is Russian propaganda) and threatened to ban people expressing support for Ukraine on the RMB.
4. Support for dictators on the RMB.
5. Embassy and co-operation with North Korea, which glorifies the brutal DPRK dictatorship.
6. Low economic freedom.

lmao

Personally I don't see anything funny about genocide denial, or threatening to ban people for expressing their support for Ukraine on the RMB.

[The Orwell Society]

lmao

Personally I don't see anything funny about genocide denial, or threatening to ban people for expressing their support for Ukraine on the RMB.

Now even I believe that did not happen. Evidence, please?

[Raskana]

lmao

Personally I don't see anything funny about genocide denial, or threatening to ban people for expressing their support for Ukraine on the RMB.

They are just mocking you.

[Equai]

Federation of Eqaui deeply opposes this distasteful and poor attempt to oppress the ideology of common people. This draft, now submitted one, has no real basis and instead clearly is made in the light that is of the blatant despise for the leftist ideology and using the examples of purely dictatorial right-wing ideologies that only serve for the enriching the elite. Even if what said in the proposed resolution is of true nature they way its written, the way its formulated and the bias of the writer will only serve its downfall. We will continue to stand alongside out fellow comrades, our fellow socialist, anarchist and communist nations in battling this biased piece of so-called resolution. We also want to note that the brought accusations against the TCB are not in the resolution which only contributes to the fact that this resolution is not written in the faith of protecting people but eradicating a leftist region, as much toxic as it appears to be. If this resolution, however, is to be revised, unbiased and actually pointing out the core problem with the region then maybe we could support it. As it stands right now we cannot do that.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Personally I don't see anything funny about genocide denial, or threatening to ban people for expressing their support for Ukraine on the RMB.

Now even I believe that did not happen. Evidence, please?

Here. They also admit that support for Russia's invasion is allowed in the region.

[The Kingdom of the Three Isles]

Personally I don't see anything funny about genocide denial, or threatening to ban people for expressing their support for Ukraine on the RMB.

Surely the last bit is just a joke right?

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Personally I don't see anything funny about genocide denial, or threatening to ban people for expressing their support for Ukraine on the RMB.

Surely the last bit is just a joke right?

I'm afraid it's very serious.

[Xoriet]

Now even I believe that did not happen. Evidence, please?

Here. They also admit that support for Russia's invasion is allowed in the region.

...That clearly reads that they believe in educating people as to why they are wrong over trying to drop mods on them and post one-liner slogans that contribute nothing other than political grandstanding.

[The Orwell Society]

Now even I believe that did not happen. Evidence, please?

Here. They also admit that support for Russia's invasion is allowed in the region.

I don't see any genocide denial. It' just New Astri trying to combat like-farming posts. In fact, I agree with Astri. Like farming posts are not acceptable, even if for Ukraine.

[Floppa Lovers]

u gots 2 chill man, i think that the attack helicopter meme is just a simple joke or name they seem friendly

The only time I've seen attack-helicopter used in non-military contexts are by transphobes trying to mock trans people.

Yeah. This guys pretty cringe. This is written terribly.

[Equai]

u gots 2 chill man, i think that the attack helicopter meme is just a simple joke or name they seem friendly

Its transphobia. Not a "joke".

[The Orwell Society]

u gots 2 chill man, i think that the attack helicopter meme is just a simple joke or name they seem friendly

Its transphobia. Not a "joke".

And… we shouldn't be talking about this. I'm pretty sure it's called "threadjacking"

[The Kingdom of the Three Isles]

Here. They also admit that support for Russia's invasion is allowed in the region.

...That clearly reads that they believe in educating people as to why they are wrong over trying to drop mods on them and post one-liner slogans that contribute nothing other than political grandstanding.

To be fair, the other guy was kind of doing the same but they didn’t get supressed.

[Raskana]

Its transphobia. Not a "joke".

And… we shouldn't be talking about this. I'm pretty sure it's called "threadjacking"

Diversion by a whataboutism as well, classic tactic.

[Equai]

Its transphobia. Not a "joke".

And… we shouldn't be talking about this. I'm pretty sure it's called "threadjacking"

OOC: True, my bad. However, we do need to take into account OPs believes as this draft of the resolution is evidently biased against the TCB not because they did something wrong but because they are communists. Its evidently seen in the last lines of the resolution. Tho, even if somehow gets on the voting table it will be defeated anyway

[The Kingdom of the Three Isles]

And… we shouldn't be talking about this. I'm pretty sure it's called "threadjacking"

OOC: True, my bad. However, we do need to take into account OPs believes as this draft of the resolution is evidently biased against the TCB not because they did something wrong but because they are communists. Its evidently seen in the last lines of the resolution. Tho, even if somehow gets on the voting table it will be defeated anyway

Oh yes for sure, but it blocks the way for more important proposals

[The King Isle]

The Communist Bloc is Cool though. This aren't even condemnable things. And since when have we violated human rights? Also, we have a certain thing that is probably new to you; elections. Do your research please.

[Equai]

OOC: True, my bad. However, we do need to take into account OPs believes as this draft of the resolution is evidently biased against the TCB not because they did something wrong but because they are communists. Its evidently seen in the last lines of the resolution. Tho, even if somehow gets on the voting table it will be defeated anyway

Oh yes for sure, but it blocks the way for more important proposals

True. I have no doubts that admins would declare it illegal simply in terms that it has no substance and its written not as an condemnation of the actions but as the condemnation of the ideology, which really pulls the troll strings if you ask me.

/.../ This aren't even condemnable things. And since when have we violated human rights? /.../

Because the OP is not condemning the regions actions (which I won't get into as I am not so knowledgeable in. Region I am in has no embassy with TCB) but they are condemning the ideology of communism simply because they don't like it which is, as I stated above, very poor and distasteful thing to do, especially to probably the oldest active leftist region here.

[Civia Welephilostopia]

Even if this did reach quorum (which it wouldn't) it would be voted out in the first day, not to mention all the extra "Liberate TCB" that would plague the forums.

also I'm confused by what the support of dictators mean is that IC dictators or OOC dictators?

[The Orwell Society]

And… we shouldn't be talking about this. I'm pretty sure it's called "threadjacking"

OOC: True, my bad. However, we do need to take into account OPs believes as this draft of the resolution is evidently biased against the TCB not because they did something wrong but because they are communists. Its evidently seen in the last lines of the resolution. Tho, even if somehow gets on the voting table it will be defeated anyway

For sure. It angers me that people do this. While it is a pretty good draft, I am very much against because of the reason AH is doing this. It's discrimination against the communist ideology. I am definitely not a communist, I believe it will never work, but the majority of people aren't centrist, either. In fact, I haven't met a single person who is openly centrist.

Basically, it was all good until AH made that reply after he submitted it. That was just wrong. If he hates communists so much, than he doesn't belong in NS.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Here. They also admit that support for Russia's invasion is allowed in the region.

...That clearly reads that they believe in educating people as to why they are wrong over trying to drop mods on them and post one-liner slogans that contribute nothing other than political grandstanding.

Well, that's one interpretation.

[Xoriet]

...That clearly reads that they believe in educating people as to why they are wrong over trying to drop mods on them and post one-liner slogans that contribute nothing other than political grandstanding.

Well, that's one interpretation.

I'm still waiting for four more factual In Character reasons why TCB should be Condemned that have absolutely zero references to IRL Communism, Leftism, or IRL deceased and living dictators. So far you have low Economic Freedoms and raiding some random region. What else?

[Outer Sparta]

OOC: True, my bad. However, we do need to take into account OPs believes as this draft of the resolution is evidently biased against the TCB not because they did something wrong but because they are communists. Its evidently seen in the last lines of the resolution. Tho, even if somehow gets on the voting table it will be defeated anyway

For sure. It angers me that people do this. While it is a pretty good draft, I am very much against because of the reason AH is doing this. It's discrimination against the communist ideology. I am definitely not a communist, I believe it will never work, but the majority of people aren't centrist, either. In fact, I haven't met a single person who is openly centrist.

Basically, it was all good until AH made that reply after he submitted it. That was just wrong. If he hates communists so much, than he doesn't belong in NS.

It's actually a terrible draft. The author just wants a badge and making low-quality proposals and ramming them to vote isn't a good look.

[Rick Perry]

I'm terrible at second posts ok?

100% for. TCB needs to be condemned. They treat anyone who doesn't have a radical leftist ideology like trash. I mean, their army is pretty chill and nice, but the region itself is condemnable

You're heavily misinformed. TCB is really chill to hang out with and their nice. Your claim about ideologies is also false.

Actually that is false I would know because I had a puppet there, banned for no reason.

[New Astri]

Here. They also admit that support for Russia's invasion is allowed in the region.

...That clearly reads that they believe in educating people as to why they are wrong over trying to drop mods on them and post one-liner slogans that contribute nothing other than political grandstanding.

This dude's dropping a post of me outright saying "We value actually educating people over enforcing an 'agree with the mods or get suppressed' stance," as evidence that TCB is some Oppressive Evil Communist Condemnable Regime..? Christ. And I thought they wanted us to tolerate opposing beliefs?

If any of you supporting it can name six genuinely Condemnable things about TCB the region and its community that aren't references to IRL Communism and Leftism as you see it, I'll grant that maybe you even know what you're talking about.

1. TCB's raid of Congress of Armed Proletarian States.
2. Holodomor denial on the RMB, including by regional officers.
3. Their First Minister has talked of "Ukrainian neo-Nazis" (which is Russian propaganda) and threatened to ban people expressing support for Ukraine on the RMB.
4. Support for dictators on the RMB.
5. Embassy and co-operation with North Korea, which glorifies the brutal DPRK dictatorship.
6. Low economic freedom.

Oh this is like. The funniest possible list you could have tried to clap back at Xoriet with here.
I have no idea what no 1. is in reference to, so I can only assume it happened multiple years ago. When I look up the region, I just get some defunct Red Fleet founded legislation region? Certainly too irrelevant to be used in a condemn proposal.
Holodormor denial is always a favorite argument--I recall the accusation stemming from a former R/O discouraging Black Book of Communism levels of exaggeration and misinformation.
Point no 3 is quite possibly the most absurd one to me here. It's, like...completely common knowledge that Ukraine has a neo-nazi problem? Obviously it shouldn't be used as justification for Russian imperialism, but simply acknowledging that Neo-Nazism is prevalent in Ukraine is in no way "Russian propaganda," lmfao. Rightwingers somehow manage to have the most absurdly contrived and sensationalist takes even when they're managing to attempt anti-imperialism for once in their lives.
4, I imagine, is in reference to any form of support for any ideological belief of any historical Communist figures.
5 just makes me want to recommend this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BO83Ig-E8E video to you. It's a good introduction to unlearning Western propaganda about NK.
As for 6, all I can tell you is that absolutely no one considers a large region having some form of statistic you find poor to be condemnable.

...So that's 4/6 OOC complaints, and 2 incredibly weak IC ones. I legitimately don't understand why y'all keep putting so much time and effort into these threads trying to go after us IC for your obviously OOC political beliefs. Why not just find a politics thread to argue in instead? You'd honestly probably be better received there. Because here, even people who hate TCB are against your proposal just because they think it's really bad, lmao.

Actually that is false I would know because I had a puppet there, banned for no reason.

"I had a puppet in TCB that was banned for no reason," says guy with "Black lives can't matter" in signature.