[DRAFT] Repeal "Liberate the Mystical Council"

[Attack Helicopter]

The only thing I care about is that this proposal has a chance of passing. Nothing else, just that.

Your proposal has no chance of passing.

It has a chance. Count on it.

[Comfed]

Your proposal has no chance of passing.

It has a chance. Count on it.

Haven't you followed this thread at all? It has no chance.

[WayNeacTia]

Your proposal has no chance of passing.

It has a chance. Count on it.

Then show us how it's done Sunshine....

[Bormiar]

Also, I don't want to leave my region, as it could become a target for raiders.

You don't have to leave your region. All you have to do is resign from the WA with this nation, then apply on a different nation (use the same email!) and put that nation in The North Pacific. You'll get lots of endorsements lickety-split.

I'm very impressed by your blind confidence and uneducated yet loudly-spoken opinions. I really do encourage you to submit this proposal ASAP so that you can put your theory up to the test.

[Rhaza]

No support without native consent.

[Fachumonn]

You are technically correct. However, it is a longstanding SC precedent that Liberations of regions are not imposed nor repealed without the consent of the native community, and in this case the natives have stated that they do not want the resolution repealed. You are, of course, welcome to try and pass this despite precedent, but I for one do not think that you are likely to succeed.

The only thing I care about is that this proposal has a chance of passing. Nothing else, just that.

Jeez, why can't you just listen to experienced authors when they tell you that your draft's going to be stomped into the ground? Why do you have to put up such a fight over this tiny little thing?

If it's such a big deal, by all means, submit it. Submit it right now. Campaign for it and waste your one dollar. When you watch it fail, come back here and do something constructive.

Yeesh.



Do you have a history of getting in trouble on this site? I think he's implying you're going to be DoSed.

I'm determined to get this proposal passed.

Also, I don't want to leave my region, as it could become a target for raiders.

Finally, I have an almost clean record. I did get some warnings for forum things here and there, though I think all of them expired by now. It's unlikely that I'm going to get DOSed.

1. So you think Wayne hasn't gotten used to the SC any more than you have?
2. No, but it can and will change the outcome of any proposal that is submitted without that native support, which after all is how this stuff gets passed, isn't it?
3a. Oh, I'm sure of it.
3b. There's something called a purpose exaggeration, of course, you might not have considered that given you're hasty and poor responses + draft.
3c. Yeah, I agree. Good for them!
4. See my response 3b. It doesn't make sense when you take stuff like this literally, it just shows how little thought you actually put into anything. Also, no, we don't have a time machine, but experienced players have gotten a pretty good sense of how to make one...
5. Yeah, I saw it, and it doesn't make any sense.
6. Wayne's not, you are if you believe you can pass this.

1-6. Don't try to lure me into a threadjack.

No, I don't. But I have been playing this game long enough and have been involved in the SC long enough that I have a general feeling on how regions and nations would vote on certain proposals. Yours here would be a resounding against vote to rival the largest against votes in SC history.

Thank you for letting me know.

I'm still not abandoning this draft.

1. You should learn that it really has absolutely no chance of that happening.
2a. That's not good because you will experience failure...
2b. I really don't want to help you with your attitude, but, if you really want to submit this, than remove your WA on this nation, move it to a puppet, and then move to a feeder and endo-tart.
2c. It can happen to anyone you know, even Mods.
3. I'm not.
4. Not abandoning is a mistake, I'll be jumping up and down when you learn that.

[Fachumonn]

-I acknowledge a double post I didn't expect considering how many people were posting here.

Also, I don't want to leave my region, as it could become a target for raiders.

I really do encourage you to submit this proposal ASAP so that you can put your theory up to the test.

I do too and share your reason, but also there's another reason:

We can get this over with...

[Outer Sparta]

Do the natives of TMC want it repealed? I don't think you know that without native support you can't make your case.

[Fachumonn]

Do the natives of TMC want it repealed? I don't think you know that without native support you can't make your case.

No, they don't, and that has been shown, just look at the other attempts.

[Attack Helicopter]

It has a chance. Count on it.

Haven't you followed this thread at all? It has no chance.

I followed this thread, I just ignored everything given to me because everyone's wrong on the matter.

It has a chance. Count on it.

Then show us how it's done Sunshine....

Okay, then.

First order of business: convince Layem's old natives to found their own regions and help the proposal achieve quorum.

Also, I don't want to leave my region, as it could become a target for raiders.

You don't have to leave your region. All you have to do is resign from the WA with this nation, then apply on a different nation (use the same email!) and put that nation in The North Pacific. You'll get lots of endorsements lickety-split.

I'm very impressed by your blind confidence and uneducated yet loudly-spoken opinions. I really do encourage you to submit this proposal ASAP so that you can put your theory up to the test.

I'm not switching my WA nation. Never will.

No support without native consent.

Thanks for letting me know.

The only thing I care about is that this proposal has a chance of passing. Nothing else, just that.



I'm determined to get this proposal passed.

Also, I don't want to leave my region, as it could become a target for raiders.

Finally, I have an almost clean record. I did get some warnings for forum things here and there, though I think all of them expired by now. It's unlikely that I'm going to get DOSed.



1-6. Don't try to lure me into a threadjack.



Thank you for letting me know.

I'm still not abandoning this draft.

1. You should learn that it really has absolutely no chance of that happening.
2a. That's not good because you will experience failure...
2b. I really don't want to help you with your attitude, but, if you really want to submit this, than remove your WA on this nation, move it to a puppet, and then move to a feeder and endo-tart.
2c. It can happen to anyone you know, even Mods.
3. I'm not.
4. Not abandoning is a mistake, I'll be jumping up and down when you learn that.

Second order of business: ignore what everybody else says and walk down my own path.

I really do encourage you to submit this proposal ASAP so that you can put your theory up to the test.

I do too and share your reason, but also there's another reason:

We can get this over with...

Unfortunantly, I can read small text. I'm not stupid.

Do the natives of TMC want it repealed? I don't think you know that without native support you can't make your case.

They don't, but we don't have to worry about them, after all.

[Outer Sparta]

"Don't have to worry about them?" So it is all about you then.

[Attack Helicopter]

"Don't have to worry about them?" So it is all about you then.

No, its about everyone except the natives.

[Refuge Isle]

It's not a Security Council rule that natives of a region have the authority declare certain proposals on their region legal or illegal.

Then it's a good thing my response to you made no mention of legality and was entirely based around politics.

[Outer Sparta]

"Don't have to worry about them?" So it is all about you then.

No, its about everyone except the natives.

So what you are saying is that "I don't care about what the people in TMC think, I just want to ram through this opportunistic repeal draft for my own purposes." It is clear you don't listen to feedback from others as evident in this thread.

[WayNeacTia]

Then show us how it's done Sunshine....

Okay, then.

First order of business: convince Layem's old natives to found their own regions and help the proposal achieve quorum.

Ahhh.... So you are here to troll then? And here I though this was just some low grade, half assed badge hunt by a 14 year old....

[Fachumonn]

Haven't you followed this thread at all? It has no chance.

I followed this thread, I just ignored everything given to me because everyone's wrong on the matter.

Then show us how it's done Sunshine....

Okay, then.

First order of business: convince Layem's old natives to found their own regions and help the proposal achieve quorum.

You don't have to leave your region. All you have to do is resign from the WA with this nation, then apply on a different nation (use the same email!) and put that nation in The North Pacific. You'll get lots of endorsements lickety-split.

I'm very impressed by your blind confidence and uneducated yet loudly-spoken opinions. I really do encourage you to submit this proposal ASAP so that you can put your theory up to the test.

I'm not switching my WA nation. Never will.

No support without native consent.

Thanks for letting me know.

[spoiler=Context for my responses.]
1. You should learn that it really has absolutely no chance of that happening.
2a. That's not good because you will experience failure...
2b. I really don't want to help you with your attitude, but, if you really want to submit this, than remove your WA on this nation, move it to a puppet, and then move to a feeder and endo-tart.
2c. It can happen to anyone you know, even Mods.
3. I'm not.
4. Not abandoning is a mistake, I'll be jumping up and down when you learn that.

Second order of business: ignore what everybody else says and walk down my own path.

I do too and share your reason, but also there's another reason:

We can get this over with...

Unfortunantly, I can read small text. I'm not stupid.

Do the natives of TMC want it repealed? I don't think you know that without native support you can't make your case.

They don't, but we don't have to worry about them, after all.

1a. I'd be excited to see you do it and take on the challenge.
1b. Are you seriously considering convincing Fash nations to get your proposal to quorum. Wow, I don't even know what to say.
2. Well then, nice time submitting this. It's not like you can't switch it back or can you? I forgot...
3. And you will surely take that advice, won't you?
4. I'm sure you will learn better going down that path... It's spelled unfortunately btw.
5. You were meant to read it if you somehow didn't realize that...

[Attack Helicopter]

Okay, then.

First order of business: convince Layem's old natives to found their own regions and help the proposal achieve quorum.

Ahhh.... So you are here to troll then? And here I though this was just some low grade, half assed badge hunt by a 14 year old....

1. I'm not a 14 year old.
2. I'm not here to troll.

I followed this thread, I just ignored everything given to me because everyone's wrong on the matter.



Okay, then.

First order of business: convince Layem's old natives to found their own regions and help the proposal achieve quorum.



I'm not switching my WA nation. Never will.



Thanks for letting me know.



Second order of business: ignore what everybody else says and walk down my own path.



Unfortunantly, I can read small text. I'm not stupid.



They don't, but we don't have to worry about them, after all.

1a. I'd be excited to see you do it and take on the challenge.
1b. Are you seriously considering convincing Fash nations to get your proposal to quorum. Wow, I don't even know what to say.
2. Well then, nice time submitting this. It's not like you can't switch it back or can you? I forgot...
3. And you will surely take that advice, won't you?
4. I'm sure you will learn better going down that path...
5. You were meant to read it if you somehow didn't realize that... It's spelled unfortunately btw.

1a. Thank you.
1b. If that's what I'll have to do for my proposal to reach quorum.
2. Thank you for the compliment.
3. No.
4. So?
5. Thank you for the context.

[Bormiar]

I'm not switching my WA nation. Never will.

Okey dokey.

[Attack Helicopter]

I'm not switching my WA nation. Never will.

Okey dokey.

However, I could go to TNP for a while and submit this.

Though I'm worried that I'll be raided by TNP themselves.

[Fachumonn]

Okey dokey.

However, I could go to TNP for a while and submit this.

Though I'm worried that I'll be raided by TNP themselves.

If they do raid it, which I doubt unless you make this a big deal, just go back after you submitted this and clean it up.

Yes, I've gotten the achievement of being raided by BoM and TBH... I feel proud about that one.

[Attack Helicopter]

However, I could go to TNP for a while and submit this.

Though I'm worried that I'll be raided by TNP themselves.

If they do raid it, which I doubt unless you make this a big deal, just go back after you submitted this and clean it up.

Yes, I've gotten the achievement of being raided by BoM and TNP... I feel proud about that one.

What if TNP refounds?

[Fachumonn]

If they do raid it, which I doubt unless you make this a big deal, just go back after you submitted this and clean it up.

Yes, I've gotten the achievement of being raided by BoM and TNP... I feel proud about that one.

What if TNP refounds?

Sorry, I meant TBH, TNP doesn't raid unless they have a huge problem with the region.
Also, I think you need influence to refound (correct me if I'm wrong), and the amount of time it takes to get 2 endos in TNP is so minuscule it is probably impossible to refound in that time.

Regarding you're poll, I'm sure you would get much more responses if you added a negative option, right now it's just an ego-boosting useless poll that shouldn't have been created at all.

[Comfed]

If they do raid it, which I doubt unless you make this a big deal, just go back after you submitted this and clean it up.

Yes, I've gotten the achievement of being raided by BoM and TNP... I feel proud about that one.

What if TNP refounds?

a) That would be illegal under their laws - they'd have to get approval from their assembly first which would take days.
b) You can just like... password the region and leave your puppet there
c) Why would they refound?

[Attack Helicopter]

What if TNP refounds?

a) That would be illegal under their laws - they'd have to get approval from their assembly first which would take days.
b) You can just like... password the region and leave your puppet there
c) Why would they refound?

1. They would probably ignore the assembly and refound anyway.
2. I allow open borders.
3. Because they're (ICly) imperialist.

[Comfed]

a) That would be illegal under their laws - they'd have to get approval from their assembly first which would take days.
b) You can just like... password the region and leave your puppet there
c) Why would they refound?

1. They would probably ignore the assembly and refound anyway.
2. I allow open borders.
3. Because they're (ICly) imperialist.

1. They wouldn't disregard their own laws to refound your tiny region.
2. Okay then.
3.They are not (and never have been).