[PASSED] Liberate Confederacy of Layem

[WayNeacTia]

Well, this passed within the first five minutes.

[Technocratic Terra]

This one is an easy yes, and apparently, its doing well at the vote.

[West Barack and East Obama]

Dr Justin Obama, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs: We support the destruction of this region, and thus the proposal.

[Lestovonia]

So i heard that Lauem's alt acc would be User Bret or something like that. I cant find him but we should try to stop him.

[Artevenia]

Excuse me, what? The region is currently passworded right now. The purpose of the liberation is to remove that password.
I'm also sure that once the region is secured, Layem wouldn't be able to take it back.

[Nepleslia]

Rest in peace, Layem. ;-;7

[Klaus Devestatorie]

The current largest passing percentage of any WASC proposal in history is the surprisingly recent #385 Repeal: “Liberate A Liberal Haven”. Can we top 94.7%?

[Xatu the Great]

That would be hilarious

Also a legal proposal, for the record

is it? it would probably run afoul of 4D - Proposals must be written in English.

Full support. I will happily be taking control of the WA del and banning every one of you until the end of time.

That's not how a raid works, whatsoever

[Republic Of Ludwigsburg]

This is a landslide victory, for.

[Aenglaland]

The current largest passing percentage of any WASC proposal in history is the surprisingly recent #385 Repeal: “Liberate A Liberal Haven”. Can we top 94.7%?

That would be really interesting to witness.

[Phillippeland]

As a left-leaning member of Layem and the new delegate of the new region Concord I personally like many in my region would like to not be lumped in to the bigoted, and transphobic rhetoric that the Communist Bloc and other left wing regions have been painting us as. As for your plans to wipe the right off the map while I admire it the effects you think it will have will frankly be the opposite of what you want. The hateful will only feel justified by being silenced and the only victims will be those who choose to engage them civilly and in a truly Democratic way. I urge you all to get off of your high horses and see that hate only begets hate and that your actions will only embolden other frankly worse regions to see Layem as a martyr. I bid you all farewell and urge for peace amongst the whole of Nationstates.

[Honeydewistania]

If you don't want to be associated with bigots, why do you continue to be in regions with them? It would be in your best interests to join a region that doesn't contain such problematic elements.

[Quebecshire]

As a left-leaning member of Layem and the new delegate of the new region Concord I personally like many in my region would like to not be lumped in to the bigoted, and transphobic rhetoric that the Communist Bloc and other left wing regions have been painting us as. As for your plans to wipe the right off the map while I admire it the effects you think it will have will frankly be the opposite of what you want. The hateful will only feel justified by being silenced and the only victims will be those who choose to engage them civilly and in a truly Democratic way. I urge you all to get off of your high horses and see that hate only begets hate and that your actions will only embolden other frankly worse regions to see Layem as a martyr. I bid you all farewell and urge for peace amongst the whole of Nationstates.

Apart from the fact that your assessments about how to handle bigotry are critically wrong (see Honeydew’s post), the call for peace here is insanely ironic.

As Andusre mentioned previously, about a year ago Layem was subject to a delegacy tip population to break its streak. The LDF abstained from the operation and declined to join - a decision I made specifically because I did not not feel like inviting an unsavory or vitriolic reaction from Layem. Yet Layem still insisted we were involved, which was demonstrably false, and continued to pester and infiltrate us for it.

There is no genuine interest in peace.

[Mauroa]

As a left-leaning member of Layem and the new delegate of the new region Concord I personally like many in my region would like to not be lumped in to the bigoted, and transphobic rhetoric that the Communist Bloc and other left wing regions have been painting us as. As for your plans to wipe the right off the map while I admire it the effects you think it will have will frankly be the opposite of what you want. The hateful will only feel justified by being silenced and the only victims will be those who choose to engage them civilly and in a truly Democratic way. I urge you all to get off of your high horses and see that hate only begets hate and that your actions will only embolden other frankly worse regions to see Layem as a martyr. I bid you all farewell and urge for peace amongst the whole of Nationstates.

Apart from the fact that your assessments about how to handle bigotry are critically wrong (see Honeydew’s post), the call for peace here is insanely ironic.

As Andusre mentioned previously, about a year ago Layem was subject to a delegacy tip population to break its streak. The LDF abstained from the operation and declined to join - a decision I made specifically because I did not not feel like inviting an unsavory or vitriolic reaction from Layem. Yet Layem still insisted we were involved, which was demonstrably false, and continued to pester and infiltrate us for it.

There is no genuine interest in peace.

That sounds like a threat you might regret making, Quebec.

[Quebecshire]

Apart from the fact that your assessments about how to handle bigotry are critically wrong (see Honeydew’s post), the call for peace here is insanely ironic.

As Andusre mentioned previously, about a year ago Layem was subject to a delegacy tip population to break its streak. The LDF abstained from the operation and declined to join - a decision I made specifically because I did not not feel like inviting an unsavory or vitriolic reaction from Layem. Yet Layem still insisted we were involved, which was demonstrably false, and continued to pester and infiltrate us for it.

There is no genuine interest in peace.

That sounds like a threat you might regret making, Quebec.

I did not make a threat. I pointed out that Layem continued to antagonize my region despite us leaving it alone to the best of our ability - even declining to join an operation led by allies for that purpose. Yet Layem behaved as it did all the same. Those are facts. With those facts in mind, one can reasonably conclude Layem has no sincere interest in peace, as I said above.

[Gagium]

full support

[New King Isles]

Apart from the fact that your assessments about how to handle bigotry are critically wrong (see Honeydew’s post), the call for peace here is insanely ironic.

As Andusre mentioned previously, about a year ago Layem was subject to a delegacy tip population to break its streak. The LDF abstained from the operation and declined to join - a decision I made specifically because I did not not feel like inviting an unsavory or vitriolic reaction from Layem. Yet Layem still insisted we were involved, which was demonstrably false, and continued to pester and infiltrate us for it.

There is no genuine interest in peace.

That sounds like a threat you might regret making, Quebec.

Quebec didn't make a threat.

[RiderSyl]

Support. The community has moved from Sanctum to Layem and now to Concord, but the behavior that leads to their founder being deleted not only isn't changing, but seems to be getting worse. So, we'll be back doing this again with Concord in a few months as well, I wager.

[Blaenavon]

Everyone seems to have a lot of grievances against this region, but I don't know anything about examples of what they've done and the motion doesn't specify. Could anyone enlighten me?

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Support. The community has moved from Sanctum to Layem and now to Concord, but the behavior that leads to their founder being deleted not only isn't changing, but seems to be getting worse. So, we'll be back doing this again with Concord in a few months as well, I wager.

Bet not taken Syl. Sedge did say they were on the verge of being declared DOS....

[New Astri]

Everyone seems to have a lot of grievances against this region, but I don't know anything about examples of what they've done and the motion doesn't specify. Could anyone enlighten me?

in addition to absurd amounts of bigotry (go search for the region 'trans' for example), they're known for being quite unsavory ooc & off of ns, as well.

[Quebecshire]

Everyone seems to have a lot of grievances against this region, but I don't know anything about examples of what they've done and the motion doesn't specify. Could anyone enlighten me?

Most of them cannot be easily elaborated upon on-site. However you can find the reason for the Founder’s deletion (which is different from most grievances) in their own gameplay thread.

[New Hualonia]

If you don't want to be associated with bigots, why do you continue to be in regions with them? It would be in your best interests to join a region that doesn't contain such problematic elements.

Most of us in Layem consider it as a friend group instead of a region. Just because we don’t agree with Maur’s views doesn’t mean that we have to unfriend him. Transphobia may be frowned upon by most of the NS community (including me) but it’s not a reason to abandon our friends

[Evil Mother]

Or is it.

[Phillippeland]

If you don't want to be associated with bigots, why do you continue to be in regions with them? It would be in your best interests to join a region that doesn't contain such problematic elements.

Two reasons: 1) they do actually value free speech and debate something I get the feeling left-leaning regions do not which is unfortunate because the world is better when people understand each other. And 2) I’ve stepped outside of my bedroom and realized not everyone has the same views I do and it’s my job to convince them that they are wrong ;P