[DRAFT] Condemn Lily

[The Galactic Federation of Avalon]

After seeing The Hurricane's attempt at a condemnation of the "independent" military organization of Lily, and seeing the effect of Lily over my time as a defender, I have decided to go with it and attempt to write an official Security Council proposal condemning Lily.

However, I need help researching Lily's past raids and taggings, which is why I am putting up this thread to garner support and collect information for this condemnation as I draft it.

Here is the first draft:

The Security Council,

KNOWING that the "independent" military organization Lily has been around for quite a long time,

SEEING that Lily has done much more bad than good by raiding innocent regions and using their WFE as a "advertising space", leaving their mark on dozens of regions every single day,

REALIZING that Lily has collaborated several times with pureblood raiding organizations such as the Black Hawks and the Brotherhood of Malice,

APPALLED by Lily's complete lack of consideration, like most raiders, for the future of the regions they raid,

CONCLUDING that their reign of terror, like many others, must stop,

Hereby condemns Lily

[WayNeacTia]

That isn’t how this works. You draft a proposal and post it here. You want ideas, post in the idea thread.

[The Galactic Federation of Avalon]

That isn’t how this works. You draft a proposal and post it here. You want ideas, post in the idea thread.

I'll just draft it now and take suggestions as I go

[WayNeacTia]

That isn’t how this works. You draft a proposal and post it here. You want ideas, post in the idea thread.

I'll just draft it now and take suggestions as I go

So essentially you are hunting for a badge, and hoping everyone else does the work for you? If you feel the need to waste your time on this, then by all means fill your boots……

[Squidroidia]

...I wanted to do this long ago. Didn't go anywhere. Good luck with that.

[The Hurricane]

...I wanted to do this long ago. Didn't go anywhere. Good luck with that.

Same. :/

[The Galactic Federation of Avalon]

I'll just draft it now and take suggestions as I go

So essentially you are hunting for a badge, and hoping everyone else does the work for you? If you feel the need to waste your time on this, then by all means fill your boots……

What do you mean by badge? And no, I will do the work, I just need more beef in the proposal.

[Thousand Branches]

So essentially you are hunting for a badge, and hoping everyone else does the work for you? If you feel the need to waste your time on this, then by all means fill your boots……

What do you mean by badge? And no, I will do the work, I just need more beef in the proposal.

Research generally occurs away from the direct SC forum. Lily folks (current and former) as well as pretty much anybody who was in r/d in say 2020-2021 can tell you all about Lily’s terrifying speed and insane skills. Try joining Lily’s server or contacting their members directly. Try looking through Lily records to look for some of their major operations, statistics, etc. Maybe use the NS history thread. People aren’t going to do your research for ya mate.

[The Hurricane]

So essentially you are hunting for a badge, and hoping everyone else does the work for you? If you feel the need to waste your time on this, then by all means fill your boots……

What do you mean by badge? And no, I will do the work, I just need more beef in the proposal.

What are you gonna work with? All you can say is that there a raider.

[WayNeacTia]

So essentially you are hunting for a badge, and hoping everyone else does the work for you? If you feel the need to waste your time on this, then by all means fill your boots……

What do you mean by badge? And no, I will do the work, I just need more beef in the proposal.

Then I would suggest doing some research first. Do you conduct an experiment in science class BEFORE you have a researched hypothesis, or do you research the hypothesis first and then conduct the experiment? No one is going to gift you an authorship badge. Do some research and show us something first and then MAYBE someone will decide to help you or not. Now I am going to give you a piece of advice here. If it has anything to do with scripting, or the fact they are nothing more than tag raiders, you may as well not even bother. Given the fact that not a single major security council author has decided to condemn Lily, that should probably be a fairly strong indicator that they haven’t done enough to earn it……

What are you gonna work with? All you can say is that there a raider.

You should probably worry about your own half assed draft, instead of criticizing others?

[The Hurricane]

What do you mean by badge? And no, I will do the work, I just need more beef in the proposal.

Then I would suggest doing some research first. Do you conduct an experiment in science class BEFORE you have a researched hypothesis, or do you research the hypothesis first and then conduct the experiment? No one is going to gift you an authorship badge. Do some research and show us something first and then MAYBE someone will decide to help you or not. Now I am going to give you a piece of advice here. If it has anything to do with scripting, or the fact they are nothing more than tag raiders, you may as well not even bother. Given the fact that not a single major security council author has decided to condemn Lily, that should probably be a fairly strong indicator that they haven’t done enough to earn it……

What are you gonna work with? All you can say is that there a raider.

You should probably worry about your own half assed draft, instead of criticizing others?

Ok.

[The Galactic Federation of Avalon]

What do you mean by badge? And no, I will do the work, I just need more beef in the proposal.

Then I would suggest doing some research first. Do you conduct an experiment in science class BEFORE you have a researched hypothesis, or do you research the hypothesis first and then conduct the experiment? No one is going to gift you an authorship badge. Do some research and show us something first and then MAYBE someone will decide to help you or not. Now I am going to give you a piece of advice here. If it has anything to do with scripting, or the fact they are nothing more than tag raiders, you may as well not even bother. Given the fact that not a single major security council author has decided to condemn Lily, that should probably be a fairly strong indicator that they haven’t done enough to earn it……

What are you gonna work with? All you can say is that there a raider.

You should probably worry about your own half assed draft, instead of criticizing others?

Wow, so motivational. I try and write an actual SC proposal and I get soooo much help and friendly advice that I just can't take it…

[The Hurricane]

Then I would suggest doing some research first. Do you conduct an experiment in science class BEFORE you have a researched hypothesis, or do you research the hypothesis first and then conduct the experiment? No one is going to gift you an authorship badge. Do some research and show us something first and then MAYBE someone will decide to help you or not. Now I am going to give you a piece of advice here. If it has anything to do with scripting, or the fact they are nothing more than tag raiders, you may as well not even bother. Given the fact that not a single major security council author has decided to condemn Lily, that should probably be a fairly strong indicator that they haven’t done enough to earn it……


You should probably worry about your own half assed draft, instead of criticizing others?

Wow, so motivational. I try and write an actual SC proposal and I get soooo much help and friendly advice that I just can't take it…

Ok, ill help ya out.

[WayNeacTia]

Then I would suggest doing some research first. Do you conduct an experiment in science class BEFORE you have a researched hypothesis, or do you research the hypothesis first and then conduct the experiment? No one is going to gift you an authorship badge. Do some research and show us something first and then MAYBE someone will decide to help you or not. Now I am going to give you a piece of advice here. If it has anything to do with scripting, or the fact they are nothing more than tag raiders, you may as well not even bother. Given the fact that not a single major security council author has decided to condemn Lily, that should probably be a fairly strong indicator that they haven’t done enough to earn it……


You should probably worry about your own half assed draft, instead of criticizing others?

Wow, so motivational. I try and write an actual SC proposal and I get soooo much help and friendly advice that I just can't take it…

I can tell you that your current “draft” was written in a grand sum of five minutes. It is bunch of generic points that could be applied ad nauseam to pretty much every other invader organization, and is essentially nothing more than spam. I put more effort into putting my socks on every morning, than was put into this. No one is here to motivate you, and playing the victim after getting spanked for poor effort isn’t going to convince anyone that you are looking for anything but attention, and an authorship badge. Have a great Nationstates career……

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Poor effort, shows a complete lack of research. Relies on lazy cliches about raiding and raiders. You get a point for drafting in the forums, but please do try harder next time.

Ok, ill help ya out.

A perfect illustration of the old saying “the blind leading the blind”.

[Outer Sparta]

Another draft about condemning Lily, and another draft that misses the target.

[The Universe World]

Attempting to condemn Lily is a dead end until they do eventually do something out of the box that could lead to controversy.

[The Chariot]

Attempting to condemn Lily is a dead end until they do eventually do something out of the box that could lead to controversy.

What? We are, and always have been the most out of the box region in R/D. When Lily was founded raiders slammed us as being second-strings trying to redefine independence. We’ve detagged all of the Black Hawks while in the same breath tagging over 60% of all taggable regions at once. Lily’s competition with The Grey Wardens have singlehandedly lead to the rise of some of the most skilled chasers in the game. Lily holds almost every tag record, and has been pushing the limits of tagging since day 1. We broke the longest delegate streak of NationStates and destroyed the largest embassy hub in NationStates. We fought and won against the world in what has been described as the worst N-Day yet. If you, or the poster of this resolution, had taken a couple minutes to do just a bit of research, you’d find Lily’s done plenty impressive stuff. It’s just been tough to sort between it all because Lily lies in this weird space where we are neither particularly good nor particularly evil; many don’t consider our most infamous exploits in the realm of tagging condemnable at all.

[The Universe World]

Attempting to condemn Lily is a dead end until they do eventually do something out of the box that could lead to controversy.

What? We are, and always have been the most out of the box region in R/D. When Lily was founded raiders slammed us as being second-strings trying to redefine independence. We’ve detagged all of the Black Hawks while in the same breath tagging over 60% of all taggable regions at once. Lily’s competition with The Grey Wardens have singlehandedly lead to the rise of some of the most skilled chasers in the game. Lily holds almost every tag record, and has been pushing the limits of tagging since day 1. We broke the longest delegate streak of NationStates and destroyed the largest embassy hub in NationStates. We fought and won against the world in what has been described as the worst N-Day yet. If you, or the poster of this resolution, had taken a couple minutes to do just a bit of research, you’d find Lily’s done plenty impressive stuff. It’s just been tough to sort between it all because Lily lies in this weird space where we are neither particularly good nor particularly evil; many don’t consider our most infamous exploits in the realm of tagging condemnable at all.

I am aware of all of that. But, even though that is all out of the box, none of that is controversial enough to warrant a condemnation (in my opinion). They are all great achievements, but it would take something truly reprehensible to make a condemnation pass.

[The Chariot]

I am aware of all of that. But, even though that is all out of the box, none of that is controversial enough to warrant a condemnation (in my opinion). They are all great achievements, but it would take something truly reprehensible to make a condemnation pass.

Fair enough, I suppose.

[Malphe II]

What do you mean by badge? And no, I will do the work, I just need more beef in the proposal.

Research generally occurs away from the direct SC forum. Lily folks (current and former) as well as pretty much anybody who was in r/d in say 2020-2021 can tell you all about Lily’s terrifying speed and insane skills. Try joining Lily’s server or contacting their members directly. Try looking through Lily records to look for some of their major operations, statistics, etc. Maybe use the NS history thread. People aren’t going to do your research for ya mate.

+1 to what Branches said. Lily has contributed immensely to military gameplay, there's feasibly enough under their belt for a badge but you're going to need to get in contact with experienced players to help draft it. Any Lily badge will need to focus on their innovations & achievements with thorough research.

[Hulldom]

Find myself in agreement with Malphe. Lily is certainly worthy of a badge at this point, but it's not going to be because general platitudes, it'll be because someone took the time to see, and explain(!), how Sweeze, Frenchy, Chingis, and the gang absolutely kicked butt and how they did it in a unique way.

[The Hurricane]

It will take alot of work, but I can tell you that its not likely that you can pull this off.

[Outer Sparta]

It will take alot of work, but I can tell you that its not likely that you can pull this off.

You are also attempting a condemnation but that's also not going anywhere. What's your point?

[Tigamore]

They conquered my puppet dump within a week of its creation, and it only had two members and no tags whatsoever, I know this particular case doesnt ammount to much but I think its a testamant to how quick they are.