[Abandoned] Commend Tinhampton

[Fachumonn]

The Security Council,
RECOGNIZING Tinhampton has not been commended yet by any Security Council resolution,

SHOCKED that a nation that has added so much to the NS Community has not been commended yet,

NOTICING the many things that Tinhampton has done that are well deserving of commendation such as:

The authoring of many World Assembly resolutions, of which has added a tremendous amount to the WA, including but definitely not limited to:

The General Assembly;

• [resolution=GA#559]GAR#559, "End Conversion Therapy"[/resolution], a resolution aimed to protect the rights of LGBTQ+ individuals, succeeding and showing Tinhampton's dedication to improving rights of World Assembly member nations,
  
  
• [resolution=GA#578]GAR#578, "Transgender Self Determination"[/resolution] a resolution that took a major step in transgender rights, forbidding a World Assembly member nation from restricting the switching of genders, the first resolution to do such things, and commending this effort to improving transgender rights,
  
  
• [resolution=GA#590]GAR#590, "LEO Force Restrictions"[/resolution], an important and crucial resolution, which makes sure that LEOs (Law Enforcement Officers) cannot use excessive and abusive force on any individual in any member nation, making sure that their power will not massively hurt anybody, where Tinhampton again proves that they care about every individual,

The Security Council;

• [resolution=SC#382]SCR#382, "Commend Sacara"[/resolution], a resolution that commended a well-deserving nation in Sacara, a nation that had somehow not been commended yet by the Security Council after they created a bunch of great issues and have been a commanding presence in the international community, and making sure they got the commendation they deserved by passing this resolution,
  
  
• [resolution=SC#374]SCR#374, "Commend Nephara"[/resolution], a resolution where Tinhampton again was able to credit a well-deserving nation by giving them international respect, something of which the nominee Nephara definitely deserved by being one of the greatest and most influential nation in the community of NS Sports,
  
  
• [resolution=SC#385]SCR#385, "Repeal: 'Liberate A Liberal Haven"[/resolution], making sure that the founders of one of the oldest and most historic regions, A Liberal Haven could password-protect their region to make sure no more raiders or invaders could get into this incredibly important region, and commending Tinhampton for protecting their region,

The building up of their region Sophia, in which they by themselves were able to build an upstart region from the ground up where they:

• Built the region from almost no nations to over 100 nations, exhibiting commitment to growing their region which not many nations have indeed shown,
  
  
• Were elected World Assembly Delegate in the region, and as of the time of writing this they have over 30 endorsements, demonstrating World Assembly activity within Sophia,
  
  
• Made a "Constitution of Sophia", which displayed basic guidelines and rules intended for all the many nations in the region,

And lastly, dispatches, advice, and thoughts that have helped new World Assembly member nations and delegates become more equipped to handle the World Assembly, and additionally more knowledgeable than before,

BELIEVING that such amazing and truly heroic actions cannot just simply be ignored by this esteemed council, so;

HEREBY Commends Tinhampton

Please type anything you have to say, specifically:

• Any rule breaks or illegalities of the draft,
• Any thoughts and or opinions that you think would make the proposal better
• Any criticisms of this draft or advice for the future

Thanks, Fachumonn

Few small edits to the format.

Scrapped cause of feedback.

[Lenlyvit]

A piece of advice, Tinhampton will be an extremely difficult to near impossible person to commend. With the amount of toes she's stepped on in GP over the years, I would suggest not continuing with this.

[Fachumonn]

A piece of advice, Tinhampton will be an extremely difficult to near impossible person to commend. With the amount of toes she's stepped on in GP over the years, I would suggest not continuing with this.

Ok fine. I just needed something to do lol. (It's scrapped)

[Lenlyvit]

A piece of advice, Tinhampton will be an extremely difficult to near impossible person to commend. With the amount of toes she's stepped on in GP over the years, I would suggest not continuing with this.

Ok fine. I just needed something to do lol. (It's scrapped)

Well, that's up to you. You don't necessarily have to follow my advice. There's been other attempts over the last couple of years.

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=511399&p=39080200&hilit=Tinhampton#p39080200
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=500358&p=38434554&hilit=Tinhampton#p38434554
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=498724&p=38357572&hilit=Tinhampton#p38357572
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=488304&p=37385310&hilit=Tinhampton#p37385310
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=416784&p=32028562&hilit=Tinhampton#p32028562

[Fachumonn]

Ok fine. I just needed something to do lol. (It's scrapped)

Well, that's up to you. You don't necessarily have to follow my advice. There's been other attempts over the last couple of years.

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=511399&p=39080200&hilit=Tinhampton#p39080200
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=500358&p=38434554&hilit=Tinhampton#p38434554
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=498724&p=38357572&hilit=Tinhampton#p38357572
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=488304&p=37385310&hilit=Tinhampton#p37385310
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=416784&p=32028562&hilit=Tinhampton#p32028562

Hmm. I might leave it overnight to see more people's reactions. Thanks for replying to this thread/topic.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Well, that's up to you. You don't necessarily have to follow my advice. There's been other attempts over the last couple of years.

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=511399&p=39080200&hilit=Tinhampton#p39080200
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=500358&p=38434554&hilit=Tinhampton#p38434554
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=498724&p=38357572&hilit=Tinhampton#p38357572
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=488304&p=37385310&hilit=Tinhampton#p37385310
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=416784&p=32028562&hilit=Tinhampton#p32028562

Hmm. I might leave it overnight to see more people's reactions. Thanks for replying to this thread/topic.

Do not give up just because Tinhampton is unpopular with some people. They need to set their personal biases aside and recognise that Tinhampton, who has contributed a great deal to this game over the years, is deserving of a commendation. I offer you my full support.

[Guess and Check]

Hmm. I might leave it overnight to see more people's reactions. Thanks for replying to this thread/topic.

Do not give up just because Tinhampton is unpopular with some people. They need to set their personal biases aside and recognise that Tinhampton, who has contributed a great deal to this game over the years, is deserving of a commendation.

This is ignoring the fact that what tends to be said in the SC thread tends to show up in the reasons for why regions vote against or for something. If most SC regulars do not think Tin is commendable, it is highly likely the vote will fail as regions tend to think in similar veins as SC regulars do.

If the author wishes to continue this endeavor then it is their right to, of course. But Lenly is correct in that this will be a difficult commend to pass.

[Morover]

I think Tin is certainly C/C-able, it just will be an uphill battle. I think she's a good option for a condemnation, if she'd be down for that, and it would probably be more fun to read/write about anyways.

[WayNeacTia]

Yeah..... We are not going to be doing this. Christian Democrats deserves a commendation far more than Tinhampton ever will, and CD won't be getting a commend any time soon.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Commend Tinhampton? You 'avin' a laff?

I could think of a number of reasons why they are not Commendable, but one in particular is that they are not that good a legislator. I saw some stats produced by IA in the GA recently - you can find the post here: viewtopic.php?p=39257275#p39257275 (It's in the spoiler).

Getting 7 passed out of 19 attempts (37%) is not what I would call the mark of someone who is particularly good at the job - other authors have a much higher win rate. Their recent record in the SC is better, 4 out of 6 (67%), but still not particularly great.

Edit: A quick check through IA's WA resource and the passed SC resolutions thread and I make Tinhampton's record in the SC 8 passed out of 20 submitted attempts.

[Penguin Dictators]

Commend Tinhampton? You 'avin' a laff?

I could think of a number of reasons why they are not Commendable, but one in particular is that they are not that good a legislator. I saw some stats produced by IA in the GA recently - you can find the post here: viewtopic.php?p=39257275#p39257275 (It's in the spoiler).

Getting 7 passed out of 19 attempts (37%) is not what I would call the mark of someone who is particularly good at the job - other authors have a much higher win rate. Their recent record in the SC is better, 4 out of 6 (67%), but still not particularly great.

Edit: A quick check through IA's WA resource and the passed SC resolutions thread and I make Tinhampton's record in the SC 8 passed out of 20 submitted attempts.

Yeah, overall it's what...12/26 (46.15%) total passed resolutions versus attempts? It's nice that she's been able to get that many resolutions passed that haven't been repealed yet (though at least 3 of them are themselves repeals that she just happened to get to first/write better enough than the other repeal attempts), but it's not even halfway out of her total attempts...though this isn't counting the ones that she helped co-author, but helping someone on their own bills isn't usually what I'd consider commendable, just a nice gesture.

Overall, Tin is a nice person. She's fun to talk to, and yes she obviously writes a lot of bills. But much like the proposal attempt on Feb 19th of last year that attempted to make something as base as region hopping 11 regions and being a delegate for each (with the highlight being that she served as delegate for 200 days in one of them) wasn't commendable, writing many bills in which not even half of them have passed is also just not commendable.

Going through the rest of the bill itself:

1) Building up your own region isn't commendable. Creating your constitution for your own region (which is one of the required basics to running your region) isn't commendable.

2) Having 100 nations in your region isn't commendable. It's cool that she was able to get that many in her region (assuming there's absolutely no puppets) since it's easy for folks to give up when recruitment doesn't work like they think, but again that's considered the basic number if you're going to have a thriving region. If we're going to start putting that as the number in which someone should be commended, there's a large list of UCR founders that are far more deserving for having even double (let alone triple or more) that for their region. To give you an exact idea, Sophia is currently 210th on the list when it comes to number of nations in their region, with 10000 Islands being the first non GCR/Puppet dump region at 1864 nations, and even excluding the puppet dump regions in between XKI and Sophia there's still way too many with more nations that make it not commend-worthy.

3) Being elected World Assembly Delegate of your own region isn't commendable.

4) Writing dispatches to get your own folks interested in WA isn't commendable, and again is considered a basic thing that delegates (let alone founders) should be doing.

Overall, the only thing that is commendable is that she's written 26 bills (again not counting the co-written ones)...and that's offset by the fact that not even half of them have passed.

[Outer Sparta]

Not particularly a commendable nominee.

[Lord Dominator]

I don't particularly pay heed to the passage stats. I do pay attention to their reputation overall on what they try to pass and what does - it's not a great reputation.

I agree with Penguin Dictators on their various other criticisms.

[Penguin Dictators]

I don't particularly pay heed to the passage stats. I do pay attention to their reputation overall on what they try to pass and what does - it's not a great reputation.

I agree with Penguin Dictators on their various other criticisms.

This is really the only reason I pay attention to the passage stats in this case, because with someone like Tin it can usually be more telling as opposed to some random person who wrote 55 really badly written/legal nightmare proposals and passed 6 good ones. Considering Tin isn't a bad writer and looks into making sure something doesn't exist already/isn't breaking any legality rules (that somehow still make it to a vote), usually the reason her stuff wouldn't pass is more along those lines that you mentioned.

an 8/20 passing rate in the SC alone (which I assume doesn't include the abandoned proposals that she gave up on because people disagreed with them) tells me that overall people just don't like her material enough. Whether it's because they're seen as pointless, or because they don't like her and/or don't agree with her on her proposal content (this seeming to be more the case from what I've usually seen in her proposal topics)...like Lenlyvit said it's fairly obvious she's just stepped on far too many toes in her years here to where unless it's a legitimately amazing wow-worthy proposal, it's going to sink hard. This proposal definitely isn't that. If this even magically made it to a vote, I imagine it'd get shot down pretty horribly for that reason alone, discarding any of the criticisms I've mentioned about all the non-commendable stuff at the end of the proposal (which would just be the frosting for an already baked nay cake).

[Apatosaurus]

While I think Tin could be commended, this is going to be very difficult, if not impossible, to pass due to Tin's reputation and the reasons outlined by others here. I largely agree with Morover here.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

...an 8/20 passing rate in the SC alone (which I assume doesn't include the abandoned proposals that she gave up on because people disagreed with them) tells me that overall people just don't like her material enough.

To the best I could determine that’s 8/20 of submitted proposals. The SC and GA have a fair littering of their abandoned drafts that never got that far.

[Fachumonn]

I think Tin is certainly C/C-able, it just will be an uphill battle. I think she's a good option for a condemnation, if she'd be down for that, and it would probably be more fun to read/write about anyways.

I think it would be hard to pass for a condemnation, I don't really see that much content for it except that she is disliked by a lot of players/communities. So probably won't be doing that.
As for the stuff Penguin Dictators said, I agree with most of it, but I do think that 100 is not the minimum for a thriving region. In my region, Libertarian Socialist Confederation, we were 20 or more below 100 at some points and I would still say it was thriving. Plus I think while it might not be commendable, getting 100 nations in a region and building it from the ground up does require a lot of effort and work put into the region. But thanks for the feedback! It's scrapped because I don't want to deal with people tging me about why Tinhampton isn't commendable and knowing it won't pass either way.

[Penguin Dictators]

I think Tin is certainly C/C-able, it just will be an uphill battle. I think she's a good option for a condemnation, if she'd be down for that, and it would probably be more fun to read/write about anyways.

but I do think that 100 is not the minimum for a thriving region. In my region, Libertarian Socialist Confederation, we were 20 or more below 100 at some points and I would still say it was thriving. Plus I think while it might not be commendable, getting 100 nations in a region and building it from the ground up does require a lot of effort and work put into the region.

Every region is different, but every region also has that spike of activity for a bit. Some regions catch a bit more, some don't.

Heck, just looking at your region versus Sophia, yours is more active...and if I can assume correctly based on the oldest Dispatch in Sophia not even being a year old, yours is also older (granted this could be wrong since Sophia doesn't have a "founded in" snippet so it could be older).

The reason I bring numbers into it is because yes, you can get 100 nations to join...but you're usually lucky to even get 20 folks that stay active and aren't just there to answer issues, and aren't just puppets of nations already there. Your region is an example of that working...with the activity being slightly sporadic, but not horribly so (though I'm only speaking of your RMB since I haven't seen your Discord).

Tin's region is nice, but their activity is hardly what I'd call "thriving" when it's a literal day between posts on the RMB alone with the last being 2 days ago, and their Discord hasn't been much better. That's not thriving, that's the beginning stages of slowly dying because people aren't engaging in it...and it's not even an old region.

Bigger regions tend to fair better because they've gotten past that hurdle of inactivity (which is why it's more commendable than the ones that only have 100), and Sophia may still get past it...but right now they're caught in it.

Thriving to me means daily activity, daily engagement in the RMB, daily engagement in the discord if it exists, and to that I mean posts every hour at least, because it means that people are enjoying it enough to jump into often.

Anything less than that, it's more casual area vibes than functioning region. It's the place you post once every few days because you found a meme that made you think of someone there, rather than a place that you go to to engage in a serious way.

Sadly, casual areas don't last because of those random spurts in activity, because folks will just post elsewhere or just stop posting entirely at some point.

I hope that isn't the case for Sophia, but it'd be par for the course like other regions that have tried and failed.

[Giraffeton]

wow i can't believe that tinhampton has had 5 failed commendations

[Fachumonn]

wow i can't believe that tinhampton has had 5 failed commendations

6 I think lol. (now)

[Fachumonn]

but I do think that 100 is not the minimum for a thriving region. In my region, Libertarian Socialist Confederation, we were 20 or more below 100 at some points and I would still say it was thriving. Plus I think while it might not be commendable, getting 100 nations in a region and building it from the ground up does require a lot of effort and work put into the region.

Every region is different, but every region also has that spike of activity for a bit. Some regions catch a bit more, some don't.

Heck, just looking at your region versus Sophia, yours is more active...and if I can assume correctly based on the oldest Dispatch in Sophia not even being a year old, yours is also older (granted this could be wrong since Sophia doesn't have a "founded in" snippet so it could be older).

The reason I bring numbers into it is because yes, you can get 100 nations to join...but you're usually lucky to even get 20 folks that stay active and aren't just there to answer issues, and aren't just puppets of nations already there. Your region is an example of that working...with the activity being slightly sporadic, but not horribly so (though I'm only speaking of your RMB since I haven't seen your Discord).

Tin's region is nice, but their activity is hardly what I'd call "thriving" when it's a literal day between posts on the RMB alone with the last being 2 days ago, and their Discord hasn't been much better. That's not thriving, that's the beginning stages of slowly dying because people aren't engaging in it...and it's not even an old region.
Also, she has 34 endorsements, and at one point had 44 or so, so that means at least 34 people in the region, plus prob like 30 more who don't do WA.

Bigger regions tend to fair better because they've gotten past that hurdle of inactivity (which is why it's more commendable than the ones that only have 100), and Sophia may still get past it...but right now they're caught in it.

Thriving to me means daily activity, daily engagement in the RMB, daily engagement in the discord if it exists, and to that I mean posts every hour at least, because it means that people are enjoying it enough to jump into often.

Anything less than that, it's more casual area vibes than functioning region. It's the place you post once every few days because you found a meme that made you think of someone there, rather than a place that you go to to engage in a serious way.

Sadly, casual areas don't last because of those random spurts in activity, because folks will just post elsewhere or just stop posting entirely at some point.

I hope that isn't the case for Sophia, but it'd be par for the course like other regions that have tried and failed.

Your right, Sophia was founded April 2nd or so, 2021. Yeah, but some regions just don't catch that spurt of activity ever. That's why I consider it a hard task to get 100+ nations joining your region at 1 point. You have to be consistent, and do so much to keep a region of that size afloat. I think you mentioned that Sophia was 250 in nations, which I consider big since there's so many regions in NS, being 250th is good!
Tin has at least 34 endorsements, which means at least 34 people have their main/wa nation in the region!

[Apatosaurus II]

Every region is different, but every region also has that spike of activity for a bit. Some regions catch a bit more, some don't.

Heck, just looking at your region versus Sophia, yours is more active...and if I can assume correctly based on the oldest Dispatch in Sophia not even being a year old, yours is also older (granted this could be wrong since Sophia doesn't have a "founded in" snippet so it could be older).

The reason I bring numbers into it is because yes, you can get 100 nations to join...but you're usually lucky to even get 20 folks that stay active and aren't just there to answer issues, and aren't just puppets of nations already there. Your region is an example of that working...with the activity being slightly sporadic, but not horribly so (though I'm only speaking of your RMB since I haven't seen your Discord).

Tin's region is nice, but their activity is hardly what I'd call "thriving" when it's a literal day between posts on the RMB alone with the last being 2 days ago, and their Discord hasn't been much better. That's not thriving, that's the beginning stages of slowly dying because people aren't engaging in it...and it's not even an old region.

Bigger regions tend to fair better because they've gotten past that hurdle of inactivity (which is why it's more commendable than the ones that only have 100), and Sophia may still get past it...but right now they're caught in it.

Thriving to me means daily activity, daily engagement in the RMB, daily engagement in the discord if it exists, and to that I mean posts every hour at least, because it means that people are enjoying it enough to jump into often.

Anything less than that, it's more casual area vibes than functioning region. It's the place you post once every few days because you found a meme that made you think of someone there, rather than a place that you go to to engage in a serious way.

Sadly, casual areas don't last because of those random spurts in activity, because folks will just post elsewhere or just stop posting entirely at some point.

I hope that isn't the case for Sophia, but it'd be par for the course like other regions that have tried and failed.

Your right, Sophia was founded April 2nd or so, 2021. Yeah, but some regions just don't catch that spurt of activity ever. That's why I consider it a hard task to get 100+ nations joining your region at 1 point. You have to be consistent, and do so much to keep a region of that size afloat. I think you mentioned that Sophia was 250 in nations, which I consider big since there's so many regions in NS, being 250th is good!

Sophia previously existed as Auctor, which I belive was founded in mid-2020 by Verate until Verate griefed the region and the community moved to Sophia.

[Penguin Dictators]

Yes this would make attempt 6.

But all things considered, compared to the past resolutions this one at least looks nicer...so I'll give you that.

Your right, Sophia was founded April 2nd or so, 2021. Yeah, but some regions just don't catch that spurt of activity ever. That's why I consider it a hard task to get 100+ nations joining your region at 1 point. You have to be consistent, and do so much to keep a region of that size afloat. I think you mentioned that Sophia was 250 in nations, which I consider big since there's so many regions in NS, being 250th is good!

Like I said, she gets kudos for not being one of the typical wide-eyed region creators that gives up part-way because recruitment is hard. But there's a reason why if you go on something like NSL (Nationstates Leaders), they tell you that something like the first year is the real test for new founders. Because the first year for any region is the make or break point whether it be because of activity spurts, or even getting enough people interested. If you can make it past the first year with little to no problems and your nation is still thriving with activity, then you're already in a better spot than most who found a region.

It's not even been a year yet for Sophia and despite it having a solid 100 nations, I worry because the activity is not matching the member count, like at all. If Tin can pull her region out of this slump, then again that's great and I continue to wish her the best for her region.

Sophia previously existed as Auctor, which I belive was founded in mid-2020 by Verate until Verate griefed the region and the community moved to Sophia.

Ah...see now that fits a bit better. Glad that I was wrong on Sophia being a brand new region since I could have sworn Tin would have had a region for longer (and I wasn't aware Auctor was her original region, just one that she was a part of), but this at the very least seems to have been par for the course from what I've seen from regional re-founds/retries. They do well for a short period, and then for some reason just either go quiet or implode on themselves for some reason. I've seen this happen normally more with the splintering regions after they break off from the original, but I'm hardly surprised this is the effect from a re-move/re-found.

Like I said though, I do hope she's able to pull out of this because it legitimately is a pretty decent region.

[Fachumonn]

Yes this would make attempt 6.

But all things considered, compared to the past resolutions this one at least looks nicer...so I'll give you that.

Your right, Sophia was founded April 2nd or so, 2021. Yeah, but some regions just don't catch that spurt of activity ever. That's why I consider it a hard task to get 100+ nations joining your region at 1 point. You have to be consistent, and do so much to keep a region of that size afloat. I think you mentioned that Sophia was 250 in nations, which I consider big since there's so many regions in NS, being 250th is good!

Like I said, she gets kudos for not being one of the typical wide-eyed region creators that gives up part-way because recruitment is hard. But there's a reason why if you go on something like NSL (Nationstates Leaders), they tell you that something like the first year is the real test for new founders. Because the first year for any region is the make or break point whether it be because of activity spurts, or even getting enough people interested. If you can make it past the first year with little to no problems and your nation is still thriving with activity, then you're already in a better spot than most who found a region.

It's not even been a year yet for Sophia and despite it having a solid 100 nations, I worry because the activity is not matching the member count, like at all. If Tin can pull her region out of this slump, then again that's great and I continue to wish her the best for her region.

Sophia previously existed as Auctor, which I belive was founded in mid-2020 by Verate until Verate griefed the region and the community moved to Sophia.

Ah...see now that fits a bit better. Glad that I was wrong on Sophia being a brand new region since I could have sworn Tin would have had a region for longer (and I wasn't aware Auctor was her original region, just one that she was a part of), but this at the very least seems to have been par for the course from what I've seen from regional re-founds/retries. They do well for a short period, and then for some reason just either go quiet or implode on themselves for some reason. I've seen this happen normally more with the splintering regions after they break off from the original, but I'm hardly surprised this is the effect from a re-move/re-found.

Like I said though, I do hope she's able to pull out of this because it legitimately is a pretty decent region.

I think it really depends on how much the founder wants to get involved in a migration of regions. In Libertarian Socialist Confederation's sort of predecessor, FAC or Fed. of Anarchist Communes, Their founder (same founder in LSC) cted, so they had to move, but since the founder wasn't there the region never was the same and never had the same activity. However, FAC's founder came back and decided to close the region, but open a new region (LSC) and ask people to move there. They were very involved and were very committed to the new region, and such, LSC began to rise in activity till it is what it is today.