by Nationalist Northumbria » Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:22 am
by Andusre » Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:33 am
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by Nationalist Northumbria » Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:43 am
Andusre wrote:Condemn TCB has already been tried more than once based on similar-ish grounds - those attempts failed & this one will too if you push it to quorum. The Communist Bloc is an awesome region which, to my knowledge, doesn't want a condemnation, especially one written like this.
It seems like this proposal is mostly based on your RL perceptions of communism, and I'm not going to engage on that because that's a fool's errand which isn't appropriate for the SC - the reason I bring it up is because Condemnations for in-character bad people are often viewed as the equivalent to Commendations in-character good people, and nominees who are condemned often wear the badge as one of honour & pride.
TCB are not in-character villains like The Black Hawks or Lone Wolves United are, and thus condemnations of them are not going to go very far particularly when the proposal is not even remotely addressing in-character actions.
TLDR - I & others won't support this. You need IC arguments for a condemnation, not an OOC distaste for communism.
PS - it doesn't help your case that a lot of NationStates players are communist/far-left. Myself included
Unkzier wrote:Against, This proposal offends a lot of people including myself as TCB was my former home.
by Nationalist Northumbria » Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:47 am
by Honeydewistania » Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:53 am
APPALLED by The Communist Bloc's "red imperialism", which truly knows no bounds, including the raiding and destruction of fellow communists in the Congress of Armed Proletarian States,
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by The Republic of Western Sol » Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:53 am
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:I have submitted this proposal.
by Indo States » Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:56 am
by Nationalist Northumbria » Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:17 am
The Republic of Western Sol wrote:Nationalist Northumbria wrote:I have submitted this proposal.
Bro it’s not gonna go through
by Nationalist Northumbria » Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:23 am
Honeydewistania wrote:APPALLED by The Communist Bloc's "red imperialism", which truly knows no bounds, including the raiding and destruction of fellow communists in the Congress of Armed Proletarian States,
Not entirely accurate. Libertatem, a "libertarian" region, destroyed this region, not The Communist Bloc.
by FNU » Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:25 am
by Polomon Islands » Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:27 am
by Nationalist Northumbria » Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:33 am
FNU wrote:Two quickies: Submitting something with so little time for criticism and refinement isn't a good move. You could probably find a way to make this more then an OOC complaint about communism if you gave people time to respond or found other people that could tell you IC reasons, leading into the second issue. OOC feelings don't really matter in the WA. If you browse through any condemnation or commendations of a region, it's because either they're a "heroic" region to the "people" of NationStates, or in the case of those like the Black Hawks, it's because they're the "evil" destroyers of communities. But it's all IC, OOC the people of both those regions are relatively nice folk. I haven't ever written a proposal, nor will I ever, however it's best that you give things like this to build sustenance rather then simply saying "communism is bad, condemn this communist region."
by Nationalist Northumbria » Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:34 am
Manndown wrote:Nice try, I guess.
by Nationalist Northumbria » Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:37 am
by Feyrisshire » Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:37 am
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by Nationalist Northumbria » Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:40 am
by FNU » Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:40 am
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:What IC reasons? The Communist Bloc doesn't post on the RP forums. Also, condemnations can be more than rewards/commendations for the 'bad guys', as this one is. Also, while I may be an anti-communist, this proposal does not actually use "communism is bad" as a justification for condemning TCB. Its imperialism (including its participation in the destruction of a fellow communist region), the presence of genocide denial that goes unpunished on its RMB, and the rejection of basic human rights by its member nations are the reasons given, not "communism is bad."
by Bhang Bhang Duc » Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:43 am
Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.
RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.
Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..
by Nationalist Northumbria » Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:46 am
FNU wrote:Nationalist Northumbria wrote:What IC reasons? The Communist Bloc doesn't post on the RP forums. Also, condemnations can be more than rewards/commendations for the 'bad guys', as this one is. Also, while I may be an anti-communist, this proposal does not actually use "communism is bad" as a justification for condemning TCB. Its imperialism (including its participation in the destruction of a fellow communist region), the presence of genocide denial that goes unpunished on its RMB, and the rejection of basic human rights by its member nations are the reasons given, not "communism is bad."
If there's genocide denial on their RMB, that's a matter of the moderation team, not the WA. It's imperialism is no different then any other politically motivated raiding region, i.e. the Mariner Trench or KAISERREICH, and shouldn't be seen as a personal attack. If your region get's raided, you can always migrate to a new region. While there's some base for a condemnation with their member states commonly lacking human rights, that's about the whole of it. Also, slinging around "red imperialism" makes it nothing more then an ineffective buzz phrase, and if they did bother to spam this thread, it's still not an IC matter, but simply people being mischievous for the sake of being mischievous.
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Another lazy attempt at getting a badge. Your writing is uninspired and as per normal you haven’t gotten off your arse and done some real research.
If this does get to the vote TWP will vote against it.
by FNU » Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:54 am
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:The fact that genocide denial goes unpunished, and that the region's Minister of World Assembly Affairs Feyrisshire engages in it themselves, indicates that the region itself shares the belief that the Holodomor was not a genocide. I don't know why you're talking about "personal attacks" and "if your region get's raided, you can always migrate to a new region" because that has zero relevance.
by Bhang Bhang Duc » Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:02 am
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Another lazy attempt at getting a badge. Your writing is uninspired and as per normal you haven’t gotten off your arse and done some real research.
If this does get to the vote TWP will vote against it.
It's never been about badges. If it was about getting badges, why did I put in the work for the Condemn TCB proposal not written by me earlier this year?
Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.
RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.
Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..
by Nationalist Northumbria » Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:06 am
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Nationalist Northumbria wrote:It's never been about badges. If it was about getting badges, why did I put in the work for the Condemn TCB proposal not written by me earlier this year?
Well your two attempts at a self-commend currently active in this forum speaks volumes about your desire to get an author’s badge.
As for the attempt earlier this year I have no idea what motivated you to do that apart from wanting to shit stir. Anyway what would I know: I have many talents but mind reading isn’t one of them.
by Perikuresu » Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:08 am
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