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Postby Apatosaurus » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:38 pm

Xoriet wrote:Lardyland, known for embassy spamming, regular spamming, posting obscene content, allowing quotes of Hitler and other fascists within their region, allying with fascists and joining an alliance that promoted fascism, impersonating members of other regions, spamming the RMBs of other regions, linking to illicit content onsite, harassing people for their own amusement, and other forms of poor behavior, actually is possible to raid now. Given that they have not refounded their region, most of the problematic onsite content remains in the public domain except in the many cases where Moderators deleted posts (and posters) or the posters went back to delete the content.

To be completely honest I only really knew about the spamming, Hitler quotes, allowing NSFW on their Discord, allying with fash and RMB spamming/impersonation until now. That said, full support.

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Noting that through a summary Act of God, the founder nation of Lardyland was dismantled and its leadership abolished and has left the region open to receiving summary justice for its crimes against the international community. Why is this, as well as all clauses, ended with a full stop? I'm generally strongly in the "full stops should only go at the end of the proposal in the SC" train.

Observing that Lardyland , whose community originally began in Spam until the region was invaded and destroyed due to the community's reprehensible conduct, was founded on the principles of disruption and disorder and has sought to bring similar chaos to other regions and induct nations both within and outside of Lardyland in such conduct.

Stating that these include active disruptions of diplomatic communication mediums between foreign nations conducting regional affairs, beleaguering regions with repeated invitations for unwanted diplomatic relations in the form of embassies even after repeated previous refusals, and using public news mediums to push undesirable content against the standards of decency of other nations.

Emphasizing that the conduct of the leaders of the native nations of Lardyland has also included such problematic acts as impersonating the leaders of nations and regions for personal entertainment, brazenly publishing indecent "indecent" seems like a downplay in my opinion, try something like "extremely disturbing. content in public diplomatic venues with intent to disrupt and disturb other nations, and persistently harassing other national leaders for no reason other than personal amusement.

Illustrating the existence of alliances, previous alliances, and formal diplomatic relations of Lardyland with fascist and fascist-aligned regions such as Farkasfalka, The United Fascist Workers Association, Raxulan Empire, Barbaria, and Altmora. Again, a full stop, this time in the middle of the clause, and there's no need for one. Either split this clause or use a semicolon instead of a full stop. This includes joining the Virtu League, an alliance whose purpose was to attempt to promote fascism among nations, and pro-fascist content permitted among the nations of their own region.

Aware that Lardyland has also permitted content praising fascism or fascist leaders, in some cases even quoting these fascist leaders in public diplomatic venues, -- Quick suggestion for a clause about the Hitler quotes/praising Hitler on the RMB.

Remarking that Lardyland's allowance and promotion of fascist content as well as associating with its adherents, repeated and flagrant violations of international law which have led to many censures, and refusal to respect the sanctity of other regions should not be something that goes unheeded by the international community.

Hereby Liberates Lardyland.
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Postby Wang Yao » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:48 pm

Support, I can't wait for this to pass~

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Postby Great Algerstonia » Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:22 pm

Against, this is more misuse of the liberation function. If it's that bad, report it to Moderation...
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Postby Varanius » Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:21 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:Against, this is more misuse of the liberation function. If it's that bad, report it to Moderation...

I’m not sure how the proposal will ever survive without your approval. Oh wait…
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:37 pm

Varanius wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:Against, this is more misuse of the liberation function. If it's that bad, report it to Moderation...

I’m not sure how the proposal will ever survive without your approval. Oh wait…

This proposal will still pass without your approval too. Suppose we're both just meaninglessly posting then. 8)
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Postby Wayneactia » Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:02 pm

So allowing NSFW content on their private discord is now a reason to abuse the liberation function? I really need to get with the times it seems.....
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:13 pm

Wayneactia wrote:So allowing NSFW content on their private discord is now a reason to abuse the liberation function? I really need to get with the times it seems.....

Unless it's being shown to minors, it is absolutely nobody's business. :lol2:
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:20 pm

Xoriet wrote:Lardyland, known for embassy spamming

Moderation.
regular spamming

Moderation.
posting obscene content

Call it what it is. Also, moderation.
impersonating members of other regions

Moderation.
spamming the RMBs of other regions

Moderation.
linking to illicit content onsite

Call it what it is. Was it porn or disgusting pictures or what? Also, moderation.
harassing people for their own amusement

Moderation.

All but one are actionable and can be solved by GHR. What problem does this liberation solve? What does this liberation do to stop this?
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Postby Team Lennox » Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:18 am

Ayo wut does the NFSW stand for? Also Lardyland is just a dead spam region, yes they interacted with fascism, but it was mostly just an weird spam region and spam ain't really nothing.
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Postby Team Lennox » Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:58 am

Wayneactia wrote:So allowing NSFW content on their private discord is now a reason to abuse the liberation function? I really need to get with the times it seems.....

exactly yo.
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Postby Xoriet » Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:02 am

Proposal submitted, although normally I'll sit on these for a month or so first. Thanks to everyone who had suggestions.

And Unibot, a Tribunal for regions would be unnecessarily complicated since what passes judgment internationally is something getting to vote and seeing how that vote plays out. At that point you see what the overwhelming opinion is. Regions can condemn or rule in favor of the target at leisure and the ballots cast are quite public.

Alger, a lot of that Moderation-punishable/punished content was done against other regions on a very large and annoying scale. Just because the Mods acted on what was actionable doesn't mean that we have to settle with their rulings when it didn't put an end to the problems long-term. They persisted in this for years unchecked and protected by their founder.

Personally, I'm not a huge adherent of offensive Liberations, but in some cases I will support them. This is one such.

Also, it's not about allowing it on their private Discord so much as having it in a public, unmoderated channel accessible by anyone with no restrictions which they linked on a Warzone WFE for weeks.
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Postby Varanius » Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:07 am

Great Algerstonia wrote:
Varanius wrote:I’m not sure how the proposal will ever survive without your approval. Oh wait…

This proposal will still pass without your approval too. Suppose we're both just meaninglessly posting then. 8)
There is a slight difference. Being that I, as per the usual, will be on the winning side. And you, as per the usual, are not.
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Postby All Wild Things » Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:33 am

Xoriet wrote:Proposal submitted, although normally I'll sit on these for a month or so first. Thanks to everyone who had suggestions.

And Unibot, a Tribunal for regions would be unnecessarily complicated since what passes judgment internationally is something getting to vote and seeing how that vote plays out. At that point you see what the overwhelming opinion is. Regions can condemn or rule in favor of the target at leisure and the ballots cast are quite public.

Alger, a lot of that Moderation-punishable/punished content was done against other regions on a very large and annoying scale. Just because the Mods acted on what was actionable doesn't mean that we have to settle with their rulings when it didn't put an end to the problems long-term. They persisted in this for years unchecked and protected by their founder.

Personally, I'm not a huge adherent of offensive Liberations, but in some cases I will support them. This is one such.

Also, it's not about allowing it on their private Discord so much as having it in a public, unmoderated channel accessible by anyone with no restrictions which they linked on a Warzone WFE for weeks.

Why did you choose to leave the names of Fascist regions in? Hundreds of regions CTE each week without trace. Why are the names of fascist regions more worthy of being recorded in NS history?

When Jakker drafted "Liberate The Embassy" he removed fascist region names from the draft, but kept them in the forum thread.

And while leaving them in isn't against the letter of SC358, "Advancement Of Anti-Fascist Action", I'd say it is strongly against the spirit of Article II points 2 & 4

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Postby Team Lennox » Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:55 am

o shit. looks like this proposal made it to the fucking queue.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:08 pm

Team Lennox wrote:o shit. looks like this proposal made it to the fucking queue.

Backed the wrong horse again huh?
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Postby Polomon Islands » Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:22 pm

I was told it lists several facist regions to be put up in NS history, according to
The King of All Wild Things in a telegram.

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Postby Rick Perry » Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:27 pm

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This says it all.

I am FOR this


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Postby Polomon Islands » Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:29 pm

All Wild Things wrote:
Xoriet wrote:Proposal submitted, although normally I'll sit on these for a month or so first. Thanks to everyone who had suggestions.

And Unibot, a Tribunal for regions would be unnecessarily complicated since what passes judgment internationally is something getting to vote and seeing how that vote plays out. At that point you see what the overwhelming opinion is. Regions can condemn or rule in favor of the target at leisure and the ballots cast are quite public.

Alger, a lot of that Moderation-punishable/punished content was done against other regions on a very large and annoying scale. Just because the Mods acted on what was actionable doesn't mean that we have to settle with their rulings when it didn't put an end to the problems long-term. They persisted in this for years unchecked and protected by their founder.

Personally, I'm not a huge adherent of offensive Liberations, but in some cases I will support them. This is one such.

Also, it's not about allowing it on their private Discord so much as having it in a public, unmoderated channel accessible by anyone with no restrictions which they linked on a Warzone WFE for weeks.

Why did you choose to leave the names of Fascist regions in? Hundreds of regions CTE each week without trace. Why are the names of fascist regions more worthy of being recorded in NS history?

When Jakker drafted "Liberate The Embassy" he removed fascist region names from the draft, but kept them in the forum thread.

And while leaving them in isn't against the letter of SC358, "Advancement Of Anti-Fascist Action", I'd say it is strongly against the spirit of Article II points 2 & 4

Imagine this passes lol
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Postby Polomon Islands » Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:32 pm

Here: "No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal that would directly and primarily benefit a fascist nation or region." from SC Resolution #358 "Advancement Of Anti-Fascist Action"
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Postby Xoriet » Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:36 pm

Polomon Islands wrote:Here: "No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal that would directly and primarily benefit a fascist nation or region." from SC Resolution #358 "Advancement Of Anti-Fascist Action"

There’s nothing beneficial about denouncing them as bad. Which this does. Because they are bad and should be censured and so should people allied to them.

Nice countercampaign TG, by the way. A little lackluster since it depends on an alternative interpretation of the Declaration.
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Postby Sylh Alanor » Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:55 pm

Polomon Islands wrote:I was told it lists several facist regions to be put up in NS history, according to
The King of All Wild Things in a telegram.

Against

Did you actually read the proposal though?
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I'm in favour of this, Xoriet. Good work as always :)
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Postby Insidium » Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:59 pm

Polomon Islands wrote:Here: "No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal that would directly and primarily benefit a fascist nation or region." from SC Resolution #358 "Advancement Of Anti-Fascist Action"

I've taken a look at the liberation text, and I don't see how it's supposed to "directly and primarily benefit a fascist nation or region," as the non-binding declaration (without the force of law) says.

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Postby All Wild Things » Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:16 pm

Insidium wrote:
Polomon Islands wrote:Here: "No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal that would directly and primarily benefit a fascist nation or region." from SC Resolution #358 "Advancement Of Anti-Fascist Action"

I've taken a look at the liberation text, and I don't see how it's supposed to "directly and primarily benefit a fascist nation or region," as the non-binding declaration (without the force of law) says.

You're right in that it doesn't "primarily" benefit fascist regions, but it does preserve their names forever in NS history. These regions don't deserve that. RL fascist regions should disappear completely from the record when they finally CTE.
If this passed in its current form, those regions can legitimately claim that the SC thinks they're important enough for a mention. And they're not.

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Postby Insidium » Thu Nov 11, 2021 2:17 pm

All Wild Things wrote:
Insidium wrote:I've taken a look at the liberation text, and I don't see how it's supposed to "directly and primarily benefit a fascist nation or region," as the non-binding declaration (without the force of law) says.

You're right in that it doesn't "primarily" benefit fascist regions, but it does preserve their names forever in NS history. These regions don't deserve that. RL fascist regions should disappear completely from the record when they finally CTE.

I don't see how this relates to SC#358.
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