[Passed] Liberate New Western Atlantic

[Goobergunchia]

Howdy, all! I've been working on this draft to liberate the New Western Atlantic and after consulting a few WA regulars on it I feel it is now time to open it up to wider scrutiny. Thanks to everyone who has helped out so far & looking forward to some criticism & feedback - hopefully of the constructive variety

The Security Council,

Noting the founderless, passworded state of the region New Western Atlantic (NWA);

Understanding that striking down this password will allow the region to be brought under the control of the inter-regional community;

Abhorred that the NWA, in lieu of traditional methods of recruitment, absorbed and integrated communities of other regions, such as that of Norden whose unique community was destroyed after merging into the NWA;

Disgusted by the NWA’s association with a myriad of questionable and undesirable regions;

Disappointed by the NWA’s unapologetic tolerance of problematic nations and dangerous content such as fascism and anti-semitism;

Horrified by the actions of the NWA's most prominent nations who weaponised and non-consensually distributed the sensitive private information of the leaders of other nations;

Alarmed by the clemency given by the NWA to nations who distributed the aforementioned information;

Knowing the NWA’s community relocated to the New Western Empire for security purposes when its founder ceased to exist, though has failed to adequately self-improve to provide a safe and inclusive region for its nations;

Seeking to set an example of the consequences of the NWA’s actions in hopes of preventing other regions from making the same mistakes;

Hereby liberates New Western Atlantic.

The Security Council,

Noting the founderless, passworded state of the region New Western Atlantic (NWA);

Understanding that striking down this password will allow the region to be brought under the control of the inter-regional community;

Recalling the NWA’s history as a major region which, at its peak, had over 600 nations residing within it and whose WA Delegate had hundreds of WA endorsements;

Abhorred that such peaks were obtained not through traditional channels of recruitment but instead through the absorption, destruction and integration of other regions and communities such as Norden, whose unique community was broken up and destroyed after merging into the NWA;

Remarking on the diplomatic network the NWA once had through embassies with recognisable and influential regions such as The East Pacific, Forest, The Free Nations Region, The Union of Democratic States, The Hole To Hide In, Spiritus, and many others;

Regretful that the NWA abandoned this strong diplomatic network in favour of vehement and hateful isolationism from its former partners;

Disgusted by the NWA’s association with questionable and undesirable regions such as Red Wolf Alliance, Raxulan Empire, Enadia, New World Union, Right To Life and Confederation of Corrupt Dictators - the last of which has been liberated itself by the Security Council;

Disappointed by the NWA’s unapologetic tolerance of problematic nations and dangerous content such as fascism and anti-semitism;

Horrified by the actions of the NWA's most prominent nations who weaponised and non-consensually distributed the sensitive private information of the leaders of other nations;

Alarmed by the clemency given by the NWA to nations who distributed the aforementioned information;

Knowing the NWA’s community relocated to the New Western Empire for security purposes when its founder ceased to exist, though has failed to adequately self-improve to provide a safe and inclusive region for its nations;

Seeking to set an example of the consequences of the NWA’s actions in hopes of preventing other regions from making the same mistakes;

Hereby liberates New Western Atlantic.

[Andusre]

I and some of the people I consulted am not 100% sure on how worthwhile the Remarking and Regretful clauses are and I'd like to hear how they could be improved or if they should just be cut out entirely.

[Team Lennox]

No

[Hulldom]

No

As a former (albeit disgruntled) native of that region and its successor, I’d love to hear your reasoning. Andy didn’t get any of the facts wrong.

[Bears Armed]

"through the absorption, destruction and integration of other regions and communities"

How could it have achieved that without their members' consent?

[Andusre]

"through the absorption, destruction and integration of other regions and communities"

How could it have achieved that without their members' consent?

In the case of Norden, Norden's leader (if I recall correctly it was Solborg, who was its founder) did agree to merge into the NWA and Norden's members followed. The NWA however refused to give any concessions to the community it just integrated - Solborg himself was ostracised from the region's leaders. Eventually the community of Norden grew tired of trying to get some representation they wanted in the merger, and dispersed away from the game. Norden and its community have never been successfully rebuilt since.

[Andusre]

No

As a former (albeit disgruntled) native of that region and its successor, I’d love to hear your reasoning. Andy didn’t get any of the facts wrong.

I'd be interested if they had anything to constructive to say but based on some of the comments they've left on other drafts, I find myself doubtful of if that's what they're actually here for.

Also, for the record for the rest of this thread, I too am a former resident/native of the New Western Atlantic. Resided there from June 2018 - January 2019.

[Bears Armed]

"through the absorption, destruction and integration of other regions and communities"

How could it have achieved that without their members' consent?

In the case of Norden, Norden's leader (if I recall correctly it was Solborg, who was its founder) did agree to merge into the NWA and Norden's members followed. The NWA however refused to give any concessions to the community it just integrated - Solborg himself was ostracised from the region's leaders. Eventually the community of Norden grew tired of trying to get some representation they wanted in the merger, and dispersed away from the game. Norden and its community have never been successfully rebuilt since.

Why didn't they just refound Norden or at least, if NWA's leaders were sitting on that name via a puppet, found a 'New Norden' into which their community could move? I've been (with different nations, not any of the Bears) in a region whose refounding got hijacked, and that was how most of us there reacted...

[Andusre]

In the case of Norden, Norden's leader (if I recall correctly it was Solborg, who was its founder) did agree to merge into the NWA and Norden's members followed. The NWA however refused to give any concessions to the community it just integrated - Solborg himself was ostracised from the region's leaders. Eventually the community of Norden grew tired of trying to get some representation they wanted in the merger, and dispersed away from the game. Norden and its community have never been successfully rebuilt since.

Why didn't they just refound Norden or at least, if NWA's leaders were sitting on that name via a puppet, found a 'New Norden' into which their community could move? I've been (with different nations, not any of the Bears) in a region whose refounding got hijacked, and that was how most of us there reacted...

I'm not quite sure if I fully understand what you mean, but there have been two attempts to rebuild Norden since it merged, as described by its WFE, both of which being unsuccessful.

The community itself did not move back to Norden, to my knowledge, because Solborg (who led the community) went pretty much totally MIA.

[Hulldom]

Why didn't they just refound Norden or at least, if NWA's leaders were sitting on that name via a puppet, found a 'New Norden' into which their community could move? I've been (with different nations, not any of the Bears) in a region whose refounding got hijacked, and that was how most of us there reacted...

I'm not quite sure if I fully understand what you mean, but there have been two attempts to rebuild Norden since it merged, as described by its WFE, both of which being unsuccessful.

The community itself did not move back to Norden, to my knowledge, because Solborg (who led the community) went pretty much totally MIA.

I can also provide some commentary to this effect. While I was around the NWA for the Norden merger, most of the former natives were so disgusted with what Solberg did that many of them quit. Of the remainder that stayed, a few are around but still inactive, and one (a certain fellow by the name of Bietzopolis) has been credibly accused of some quite heinous OOC stuff.

[Great Algerstonia]

Opposed as I don't like offensive liberations.

[The Python]

Support, initially I didn't know about this region but after learning about the OOC bad things they did in the NSGP discord... yes.

Anyway, an edit for the Disappointed clause to make that clearer:

Disappointed by the NWA’s unapologetic tolerance of problematic nations considered threats to safety of other nations, and the distribution of content such as fascism and anti-semitism;

[Team Lennox]

Abhorred that such peaks were obtained not through traditional channels of recruitment but instead through the absorption, destruction and integration of other regions and communities such as Norden, whose unique community was broken up and destroyed after merging into the NWA;

Take out the line crossed.

Regretful that the NWA abandoned this strong diplomatic network in favour of vehement isolationism from mainstream regions;

Disgusted by the NWA’s association with questionable and undesirable regions such as Red Wolf Alliance, Raxulan Empire, Enadia, New World Union, Right To Life and Confederation of Corrupt Dictators - the last of which has been liberated itself by the Security Council;

Maybe you should elaborate on this more. Maybe add what they did, the political ideologies the support, and how they're bad? Also you should take out the words I striked out through.

[Andusre]

Abhorred that such peaks were obtained not through traditional channels of recruitment but instead through the absorption, destruction and integration of other regions and communities such as Norden, whose unique community was broken up and destroyed after merging into the NWA;

Take out the line crossed.

Regretful that the NWA abandoned this strong diplomatic network in favour of vehement isolationism from mainstream regions;

Disgusted by the NWA’s association with questionable and undesirable regions such as Red Wolf Alliance, Raxulan Empire, Enadia, New World Union, Right To Life and Confederation of Corrupt Dictators - the last of which has been liberated itself by the Security Council;

Maybe you should elaborate on this more. Maybe add what they did, the political ideologies the support, and how they're bad? Also you should take out the words I striked out through.

I feel like fascism & anti-semitism are fairly self-explanatory as to why they are bad. It's also not a question of support, it's a question of tolerance. The NWA didn't support fascism, it tolerated it, and that isn't acceptable.

[Tinhampton]

From what I'm aware, the NWA's fascists weren't so much tolerated as they were allowed to run the bloody place for so long

[WayNeacTia]

Opposed. Fascist or not, I am sick to death of seeing the liberation function perverted in a way that it was never intended.

[Team Lennox]

Abhorred that such peaks were obtained not through traditional channels of recruitment but instead through the absorption, destruction and integration of other regions and communities such as Norden, whose unique community was broken up and destroyed after merging into the NWA;

Take out the line crossed.

Regretful that the NWA abandoned this strong diplomatic network in favour of vehement isolationism from mainstream regions;

Disgusted by the NWA’s association with questionable and undesirable regions such as Red Wolf Alliance, Raxulan Empire, Enadia, New World Union, Right To Life and Confederation of Corrupt Dictators - the last of which has been liberated itself by the Security Council;

Maybe you should elaborate on this more. Maybe add what they did, the political ideologies the support, and how they're bad? Also you should take out the words I striked out through.

I feel like fascism & anti-semitism are fairly self-explanatory as to why they are bad. It's also not a question of support, it's a question of tolerance. The NWA didn't support fascism, it tolerated it, and that isn't acceptable.

Cool, though you should take out the wording I crossed out for you in your draft.

[Hulldom]

I feel like fascism & anti-semitism are fairly self-explanatory as to why they are bad. It's also not a question of support, it's a question of tolerance. The NWA didn't support fascism, it tolerated it, and that isn't acceptable.

Cool, though you should take out the wording I crossed out for you in your draft.

The wording you’re asking him to take out would either make the clauses ungrammatical or unclear or both, so he shouldn’t.

[Andusre]

Opposed. Fascist or not, I am sick to death of seeing the liberation function perverted in a way that it was never intended.

The target region did so much worse than tolerate fascists, Wayneactia. I do not know if you're in the NSGP server, but we had a conversation there yesterday about their OOC misdeeds, most notably the case of a person called Siege. I obviously cannot say OOC garbage in a Security Council draft, and I think I'd probably get punished if I talked about it here too.

The NWA's problems extend far beyond just fascism.

[WayNeacTia]

Opposed. Fascist or not, I am sick to death of seeing the liberation function perverted in a way that it was never intended.

The target region did so much worse than tolerate fascists, Wayneactia. I do not know if you're in the NSGP server, but we had a conversation there yesterday about their OOC misdeeds, most notably the case of a person called Siege. I obviously cannot say OOC garbage in a Security Council draft, and I think I'd probably get punished if I talked about it here too.

The NWA's problems extend far beyond just fascism.

None of which matters. Will destroying that region accomplish anything than allow gloating and a trophy? I don't know what they did, nor do I care. The use of liberations in an offensive matter is just that, offensive. Find another way of going after the region, and leave the liberation function for it's intended use.

[Team Lennox]

The target region did so much worse than tolerate fascists, Wayneactia. I do not know if you're in the NSGP server, but we had a conversation there yesterday about their OOC misdeeds, most notably the case of a person called Siege. I obviously cannot say OOC garbage in a Security Council draft, and I think I'd probably get punished if I talked about it here too.

The NWA's problems extend far beyond just fascism.

None of which matters. Will destroying that region accomplish anything than allow gloating and a trophy? I don't know what they did, nor do I care. The use of liberations in an offensive matter is just that, offensive. Find another way of going after the region, and leave the liberation function for it's intended use.

Uh, Wayne, how are they going to do that if it's password protected? I mean to get access inside the region they need to know the password or strike down the password. Do you not understand how R/D gameplay works? LMFAO FCOL

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

A lot of innuendo, not a lot of solid evidence. The target region may well be guilty of many of the things described in this draft, but for the moment I’m giving it the Scottish verdict - not proven.

While I am not against offensive liberations, I believe they require a very high standard of the authors and this doesn’t come within shouting distance.

[Wymondham10]

If the wording on this can be tightened up in a way that more thoroughly expresses the breadth and depth of NWA's awfulness while still remaining within site rules (a challenge due to the nature of some of NWA's actions), then I would be very much in favour

[Minskiev]

I stand by the fact that you need to use my clause starting suggestions. Also didnt know you submitted. Hm.

[Andusre]

I stand by the fact that you need to use my clause starting suggestions. Also didnt know you submitted. Hm.

I didn't submit it?