by Solaryia » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:15 am
by Hanovereich » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:18 am
Solaryia wrote:Hereby declares that Security Council Declarations are utterly useless, and have no effect on voting member nations.
Solaryia wrote:Recognizing that due to an influx of Security Council Declarations, the Security Council may be delayed in passing other types of resolutions that will actually have consequences for its member nations.
Solaryia wrote:
Noting that Security Council Declarations have no tangible effect on member nations, and if passed only serves to affirm an opinion already held by a majority of nations within the Council, therefore making the very Declaration redundant.
by Untecna » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:18 am
by Solaryia » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:28 am
Untecna wrote:Why would you already submit this? You should get feedback on the draft first, and then submit it after some time.
And to state my opinion, I oppose this resolution.
by Solaryia » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:44 am
Hanovereich wrote:This may be getting close to creating legislation in a declaration, and doesn’t explain why this is only for ‘voting’ nations:
Declarations are probably by far the most consequential SC category we have:
Hanovereich wrote:And I don’t think you get why we have Declarations:
by Hanovereich » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:48 am
Solaryia wrote:Hanovereich wrote:This may be getting close to creating legislation in a declaration, and doesn’t explain why this is only for ‘voting’ nations:
Declarations are probably by far the most consequential SC category we have:
"Because, if a nation votes in favour of a Security Council Declaration, that nation would presumably already hold the opinion stated by the Declaration correct? If a Declaration passess, the whole point is merely that the the majority of the Security Council holds said opinion. It doesn't have any other effects."Hanovereich wrote:And I don’t think you get why we have Declarations:
"You're right, I don't see why the WA should waste their time on these."
by Solaryia » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:10 am
Hanovereich wrote:Declarations are there to show that the SC has an opinion on things, like a war or music contest.
Hanovereich wrote:So they have a more useful purpose than just saying ‘this is our opinion’
Hanovereich wrote:Please acknowledge my legislating note.
"This may be getting close to creating legislation in a declaration,"
Hanovereich wrote:Declarations are there to show that the SC has an opinion on things, like a war or music contest. They are also there to point nations in the right direction, like with ideologies,
Hanovereich wrote:and the GA doesn’t allow us to ban ideologies.
by Hanovereich » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:14 am
Solaryia wrote:Hanovereich wrote:Declarations are there to show that the SC has an opinion on things, like a war or music contest.Hanovereich wrote:So they have a more useful purpose than just saying ‘this is our opinion’Hanovereich wrote:Please acknowledge my legislating note.
"This may be getting close to creating legislation in a declaration,"
"Why is that? It's merely a declaration that declarations have little to no effects on member nations, its not legislating anything."Hanovereich wrote:Declarations are there to show that the SC has an opinion on things, like a war or music contest. They are also there to point nations in the right direction, like with ideologies,
"But if a declaration passes, doesn't that mean that the majority of nations in the WA already hold that opinion? It would just stating the obvious."Hanovereich wrote:and the GA doesn’t allow us to ban ideologies.
"Thank goodness it doesn't, that sounds like a very serious breach of both civil rights and national sovereignty."
by Solaryia » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:44 am
Hanovereich wrote:“Has no effect” (last clause) makes it seem like you are banning the use of declarations, and declaring them null and void.
It would be stating the obvious, yes, but how else do you see “Ah, 5,000+ WA members approve this!”
Edit: I just realised what you meant by the last clause. Needs some rewording?
by Imperium Anglorum » Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:22 am
by Unibot III » Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:34 am
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Solaryia » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:32 pm
Unibot III wrote:Is the resolution implying declarations have an impact on non-voting WA members?
by Solaryia » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:35 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Don't start titles with "On".
by Hanovereich » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:37 pm
by Solaryia » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:45 pm
Hanovereich wrote:What other SC categories, that have more consequences than this, did you have in mind?
by Hanovereich » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:46 pm
by Solaryia » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:51 pm
Hanovereich wrote:So there are no categories that, quote, "will actually have consequences for its member nations"?
by Outer Sparta » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:42 pm
by Solaryia » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:06 pm
Outer Sparta wrote:I mean, these are all Captain Obvious arguments. Nothing really groundbreaking, eh? It's like Michael Owen's punditry in saying that a team who scores more goals wins.
by Outer Sparta » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:16 pm
Solaryia wrote:Outer Sparta wrote:I mean, these are all Captain Obvious arguments. Nothing really groundbreaking, eh? It's like Michael Owen's punditry in saying that a team who scores more goals wins.
“Exactly, so there’s little reason not to support the passage of this Declaration. It will finally state that Declarations are have little to no effect in writing.”
by Solaryia » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:34 pm
Outer Sparta wrote:Sure go ahead, but I'm not supporting a declaration declaring declarations being useless. It defeats its own purpose.
by Imperium Anglorum » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:36 pm
by Solaryia » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:57 pm
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