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Postby The Python » Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:13 pm

*drops pants* In all seriousness, DYP has earned this years ago so doing this before it's never done. This was very difficult to research (because of how long ago a lot of this was, some was before I was born even), there will be inaccuracies so please point any out :D

Anyway, here we go.
The Security Council,

Recognising Drop Your Pants as a nation known for their influence in and dedication to helping build the communities of the many regions and organisations that it has been involved in,

Appreciating that Drop Your Pants has been a leader of the defender cause through the Founderless Regions Alliance (FRA), an interregional alliance dedicated to the protection of vulnerable regional communities from the threat of invasion,

Lauding Drop Your Pants’ contributions to the FRA, where it served as Foreign Affairs Minister, where it helped helped secure alliances and friendships abroad, Speaker, enabling the passage of internal legislation within the alliance, and Chief of Defense in 2013, helping lead the FRA into operations to protect sovereignty of founderless regions abroad from the invader menace, while also being noted as an extremely reliable and active participant in anti-raider operations within the FRA,

Noting Drop Your Pants' significant contributions to The YoungWorld, where, in addition to acting as its Minister of Intelligence and World Assembly Delegate, they served three terms as Minister of Foreign Affairs, where they notably helped secure The YoungWorld's entry into the FRA, and also helped rebuild their region's relationship with and trust in the Rejected Realms after a state of war between the Rejected Realms and The YoungWorld in 2004 and an unsuccessful subsequent attempt from The YoungWorld to overthrow the Rejected Realms’ government,

Admiring Drop Your Pants' work within Jethnea, a region it was a founding member of, where they served in many governmental positions such as Speaker, but more notably taking over as Foreign Affairs Minister in July 2011 after large-scale inactivity led to the regional government's emergency dissolution and helping in the construction of embassies with Taijitu despite the unstable circumstances, and then being re-elected to the position afterwards as Councillor of External Affairs, by which Drop Your Pants demonstrated their devotion to the stability of Jethnea,

Celebrating the contributions Drop Your Pants has made to Lazarus during the governments of both the Emerald Kingdom and the People’s Republic of Lazarus by serving, among other positions, as:
  1. Director of Public Relations in 2008, where their diplomatic expertise undoubtedly helped Lazarus build many alliances,
  2. Steward of Emerald City from 2008 to 2009, which entailed their leadership of the Emerald Council, the Lazarene legislature of the era; during their leadership activity in the Emerald Council grew and many important issues were debated, notably a change in constitutions resulting in Mandate 6, and various legislative changes to increase general activity in the region,
  3. World Assembly Delegate from 2011 to 2012 for a period of over a year, during which they oversaw a period of significant growth in government activity, and many significant legislative and political actions were taken, notably changes to the Foreign Affairs embassy policy resulting in the building of many new embassies such as those in Equinox, Gay, the South Pacific, Jethnea and Global Right Alliance, as well as the introduction of the Vice Delegate position allowing for the Delegate to delegate their job to a dedicated deputy position,
  4. General of the Lazarene Liberation Army, serving as the first interim General in 2012, and serving another term from 2013 to 2014, helping spearhead the creation of a new defender-aligned force within the region, which under their leadership grew to become the then-largest military that Lazarus had compared to its historical predecessors, and went on to participate in countless defensive operations, notably in Italy, Christmas and Union of Socialist Confederate Republics,
Observing Drop Your Pants’ role in the stabilisation of the region Soviet Union, where it helped lock the region down and prevent further invasions following a raid by Osiris in 2013, and eventually gaining control of the founder nation so that the region was no longer threatened by the lack of an active founder,

Believing that the significant dedication Drop Your Pants has shown towards both the regions it has resided in, as well as the defender cause, to be ample evidence for official commendation by this body,

Hereby Commends Drop Your Pants.
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Postby The Python » Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:30 pm

The Security Council,

Recognising Drop Your Pants as a nation known for projecting soft power and showing dedication to a multitude of regions and organisations that it has participated in, as well as playing a leading role within the defender cause through the Founderless Regions Alliance (henceforth referred to as the FRA), an interregional alliance dedicated to the protection of vulnerable regional communities from the threat of invasion,

Noting Drop Your Pants’ significant contributions to The YoungWorld, where it served as Minister of Intelligence, held three terms as Minister of Foreign Affairs, helping secure friendships and alliances across the interregional sphere, most notably with the sinker region of The Rejected Realms, and World Assembly Delegate, representing the region in this august body,

Admiring Drop Your Pants’ work within Jethnea, a region which it was a founding member of, and:
  1. Was one of the representatives of Jethnea to the aforementioned FRA,
  2. Served as Speaker in 2011, helping chair debate of legislation within the democratic citizens’ assembly, and
  3. Took up the position of Foreign Affairs Minister in July 2011, following an emergency dissolution of the government due to general inactivity, showing its devotion to the stability of Jethnea,
Lauding Drop Your Pants’ contributions to the FRA, where it served as Foreign Affairs Minister, Speaker and Chief of Defense in 2013; in the latter, helping lead the FRA into operations to protect sovereignty of founderless regions abroad from the invader menace,

Celebrating the contributions Drop Your Pants has made to Lazarus, during the governments of both the Lazarene Kingdom and the People’s Republic of Lazarus, by serving, among other positions, as:
  1. Director of Public Relations in 2008, helping build alliances with various regions across the world stage,
  2. Steward of Emerald City from 2008 to 2009, the position which ran the Emerald Council, the legislative body of Lazarus at the time,
  3. World Assembly Delegate from 2011 to 2012, leading the region to new heights and representing Lazarus in the World Assembly for over a year, showing its immense dedication to the region, and
  4. General of the Lazarene Liberation Army, serving as the very first General in 2012, and serving another term from 2013 to 2014, helping spearhead the creation of a new defender-aligned force within the region to protect native communities from invasion abroad, which under its leadership grew to become the then-largest military that Lazarus had compared to its historical predecessors, and went on to participate in countless operations, most notably the liberations of Italy and Christmas and defences of many other regions such as Union of Socialist Confederate Republics,
Observing Drop Your Pants’ role in the stabilisation of the region of Soviet Union, where it helped lock the region down and prevent further invasions following a raid by Osiris in 2013, and eventually gained control of the founder nation so that the region was no longer threatened by the lack of an active founder,

Believing that Drop Your Pants has shown significant dedication to many regions it has resided in as well as the defender cause, and is more than worthy of an official commendation by this body,

Hereby Commends Drop Your Pants.


The Security Council,

Recognising Drop Your Pants as a nation known for their influence in and dedication to a multitude of regions and organisations that it has participated in,

Appreciating that Drop Your Pants has also played a leading role within the defender cause through the Founderless Regions Alliance (henceforth referred to as the FRA), an interregional alliance dedicated to the protection of vulnerable regional communities from the threat of invasion,

Noting Drop Your Pants' significant contributions to The YoungWorld, where, in addition to acting as its Minister of Intelligence and World Assembly Delegate, they served three terms as Minister of Foreign Affairs, where they notably helped secure TYW's entry into the aforementioned FRA to help defend vulnerable regions from invasion, and also helped rebuild their region's relationship with and trust in the Rejected Realms after a state of war between the Rejected Realms and The YoungWorld in 2004 and a subsequent (albeit failed) attempt from TYW to overthrow TRR's government,

Admiring Drop Your Pants' work within Jethnea, a region it was a founding member of, where they served in many governmental positions such as Speaker, but more notably taking over as Foreign Affairs Minister in July 2011 after large-scale inactivity led to the regional government's emergency dissolution, and helping in the construction of embassies with Taijitu despite the unstable circumstances, and then being re-elected to the position afterwards as Councillor of External Affairs, by which Drop Your Pants demonstrated their devotion to the stability of Jethnea,

Lauding Drop Your Pants’ contributions to the FRA, where it served as Foreign Affairs Minister, helping secure alliances and friendships abroad, Speaker, enabling the passage of internal legislation within the alliance, and Chief of Defense in 2013, helping lead the FRA into operations to protect sovereignty of founderless regions abroad from the invader menace,

Celebrating the contributions Drop Your Pants has made to Lazarus during the governments of both the Emerald Kingdom and the People’s Republic of Lazarus by serving, among other positions, as:
  1. Director of Public Relations in 2008, where their expertise in diplomacy undoubtedly helped Lazarus build alliances with many regions,
  2. Steward of Emerald City from 2008 to 2009, which entailed their leadership of the Emerald Council, at the time the Lazarene legislature,
  3. World Assembly Delegate from 2011 to 2012, leading the region to new heights for over a year, during which the region's governmental activity significantly increased and many significant legislative and political actions were taken, notably changes to the Foreign Affairs embassy policy resulting in the building of many new embassies such as those in The United States of Europe, Jethnea and The United Federation, as well as the introduction of the Vice Delegate position allowing for the WA Delegate to delegate their job to a dedicated deputy position,
  4. General of the Lazarene Liberation Army, serving as the very first interim General in 2012, and serving another term from 2013 to 2014, helping spearhead the creation of a new defender-aligned force within the region to protect native communities from invasion abroad, which under its leadership grew to become the then-largest military that Lazarus had compared to its historical predecessors, and went on to participate in countless defensive operations, most notably in Italy, Christmas and Union of Socialist Confederate Republics,
Observing Drop Your Pants’ role in the stabilisation of the region of Soviet Union, where it helped lock the region down and prevent further invasions following a raid by Osiris in 2013, and eventually gained control of the founder nation so that the region was no longer threatened by the lack of an active founder,

Believing that Drop Your Pants has shown significant dedication to many regions it has resided in, as well as the defender cause, and is more than worthy of an official commendation by this body,

Hereby Commends Drop Your Pants.


The Security Council,

Recognising Drop Your Pants as a nation known for their influence in and dedication to a multitude of regions and organisations that it has participated in,

Appreciating that Drop Your Pants has also played a leading role within the defender cause through the Founderless Regions Alliance (henceforth referred to as the FRA), an interregional alliance dedicated to the protection of vulnerable regional communities from the threat of invasion,

Noting Drop Your Pants' significant contributions to The YoungWorld, where, in addition to acting as its Minister of Intelligence and World Assembly Delegate, they served three terms as Minister of Foreign Affairs, where they notably helped secure TYW's entry into the aforementioned FRA to help defend vulnerable regions from invasion, and also helped rebuild their region's relationship with and trust in the Rejected Realms after a state of war between the Rejected Realms and The YoungWorld in 2004 and a subsequent (albeit failed) attempt from TYW to overthrow TRR's government,

Admiring Drop Your Pants' work within Jethnea, a region it was a founding member of, where they served in many governmental positions such as Speaker, but more notably taking over as Foreign Affairs Minister in July 2011 after large-scale inactivity led to the regional government's emergency dissolution and helping in the construction of embassies with Taijitu despite the unstable circumstances, and then being re-elected to the position afterwards as Councillor of External Affairs, by which Drop Your Pants demonstrated their devotion to the stability of Jethnea,

Lauding Drop Your Pants’ contributions to the FRA, where it served as Foreign Affairs Minister, helping secure alliances and friendships abroad, Speaker, enabling the passage of internal legislation within the alliance, and Chief of Defense in 2013, helping lead the FRA into operations to protect sovereignty of founderless regions abroad from the invader menace,

Celebrating the contributions Drop Your Pants has made to Lazarus during the governments of both the Emerald Kingdom and the People’s Republic of Lazarus by serving, among other positions, as:
  1. Director of Public Relations in 2008, where their expertise in diplomacy undoubtedly helped Lazarus build alliances with many regions,
  2. Steward of Emerald City from 2008 to 2009, which entailed their leadership of the Emerald Council, at the time the Lazarene legislature,
  3. World Assembly Delegate from 2011 to 2012, leading the region to new heights for over a year, during which they oversaw a period of significant growth in government activity within Lazarus, during which many significant legislative and political actions were taken, notably changes to the Foreign Affairs embassy policy resulting in the building of many new embassies such as those in Equinox, Gay, the South Pacific, Jethnea and Global Right Alliance, as well as the introduction of the Vice Delegate position allowing for the WA Delegate to delegate their job to a dedicated deputy position,
  4. General of the Lazarene Liberation Army, serving as the very first interim General in 2012, and serving another term from 2013 to 2014, helping spearhead the creation of a new defender-aligned force within the region to protect native communities from invasion abroad, which under its leadership grew to become the then-largest military that Lazarus had compared to its historical predecessors, and went on to participate in countless defensive operations, most notably in Italy, Christmas and Union of Socialist Confederate Republics,
Observing Drop Your Pants’ role in the stabilisation of the region of Soviet Union, where it helped lock the region down and prevent further invasions following a raid by Osiris in 2013, and eventually gained control of the founder nation so that the region was no longer threatened by the lack of an active founder,

Believing that Drop Your Pants has shown significant dedication to many regions it has resided in, as well as the defender cause, and is more than worthy of an official commendation by this body,

Hereby Commends Drop Your Pants.


The Security Council,

Recognising Drop Your Pants as a nation known for their influence in and dedication to helping build the communities of the many regions and organisations that it has been involved in,

Appreciating that Drop Your Pants has been a leader of the defender cause through the Founderless Regions Alliance (FRA), an interregional alliance dedicated to the protection of vulnerable regional communities from the threat of invasion,

Lauding Drop Your Pants’ contributions to the FRA, where it served as Foreign Affairs Minister, where it helped helped secure alliances and friendships abroad, Speaker, enabling the passage of internal legislation within the alliance, and Chief of Defense in 2013, helping lead the FRA into operations to protect sovereignty of founderless regions abroad from the invader menace,

Noting Drop Your Pants' significant contributions to The YoungWorld, where, in addition to acting as its Minister of Intelligence and World Assembly Delegate, they served three terms as Minister of Foreign Affairs, where they notably helped secure The YoungWorld's entry into the FRA, and also helped rebuild their region's relationship with and trust in the Rejected Realms after a state of war between the Rejected Realms and The YoungWorld in 2004 and an unsuccessful subsequent attempt from The YoungWorld to overthrow the Rejected Realms’ government,

Admiring Drop Your Pants' work within Jethnea, a region it was a founding member of, where they served in many governmental positions such as Speaker, but more notably taking over as Foreign Affairs Minister in July 2011 after large-scale inactivity led to the regional government's emergency dissolution and helping in the construction of embassies with Taijitu despite the unstable circumstances, and then being re-elected to the position afterwards as Councillor of External Affairs, by which Drop Your Pants demonstrated their devotion to the stability of Jethnea,

Celebrating the contributions Drop Your Pants has made to Lazarus during the governments of both the Emerald Kingdom and the People’s Republic of Lazarus by serving, among other positions, as:
  1. Director of Public Relations in 2008, where their diplomatic expertise undoubtedly helped Lazarus build many alliances,
  2. Steward of Emerald City from 2008 to 2009, which entailed their leadership of the Emerald Council, the Lazarene legislature of the era,
  3. World Assembly Delegate from 2011 to 2012; a period of over a year; during which they oversaw a period of significant growth in government activity, and many significant legislative and political actions were taken, notably changes to the Foreign Affairs embassy policy resulting in the building of many new embassies such as those in Equinox, Gay, the South Pacific, Jethnea and Global Right Alliance, as well as the introduction of the Vice Delegate position allowing for the Delegate to delegate their job to a dedicated deputy position,
  4. General of the Lazarene Liberation Army, serving as the first interim General in 2012, and serving another term from 2013 to 2014, helping spearhead the creation of a new defender-aligned force within the region, which under their leadership grew to become the then-largest military that Lazarus had compared to its historical predecessors, and went on to participate in countless defensive operations, notably in Italy, Christmas and Union of Socialist Confederate Republics,
Observing Drop Your Pants’ role in the stabilisation of the region Soviet Union, where it helped lock the region down and prevent further invasions following a raid by Osiris in 2013, and eventually gaining control of the founder nation so that the region was no longer threatened by the lack of an active founder,

Believing that the significant dedication Drop Your Pants has shown towards both the regions it has resided in, as well as the defender cause, to be ample evidence for official commendation by this body,

Hereby Commends Drop Your Pants.
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Postby Minskiev » Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:31 pm

Support for the second post alone
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:57 pm

Let it be entered into the record that an enormous walrus far larger than any hippo I've ever seen intimidated me into supporting this.
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Postby The Python » Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:00 pm

Y'all why are you discussing walruses and not discussing dropping pants :(

EDIT: Made some changes (mostly grammar) suggested by Debussy in Laz Discord.
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Postby Minskiev » Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:17 pm

Wallenburg wrote:Let it be entered into the record that an enormous walrus far larger than any hippo I've ever seen intimidated me into supporting this.


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Postby The Python » Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:25 pm

Minskiev wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Let it be entered into the record that an enormous walrus far larger than any hippo I've ever seen intimidated me into supporting this.


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Free bump!

(Seriously can we keep actual discussion about the proposal here not just spam about walruses)
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Postby HumanSanity » Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:20 pm

I am excited to see how this draft pans out, but for now it's in need of some work.

The Python wrote:Recognising Drop Your Pants as a nation known for projecting soft power and showing dedication to a multitude of regions and organisations that it has participated in, as well as playing a leading role within the defender cause through the Founderless Regions Alliance (henceforth referred to as the FRA), an interregional alliance dedicated to the protection of vulnerable regional communities from the threat of invasion,

The first part of the clause is good for an opening clause--it suggests the genre of DYP's accomplishments (projecting soft power and dedication) and suggests it has participated in a diversity of areas. I think this should be split off from the second part which references the FRA.

The Python wrote:Noting Drop Your Pants’ significant contributions to The YoungWorld, where it served as Minister of Intelligence, held three terms as Minister of Foreign Affairs, helping secure friendships and alliances across the interregional sphere, most notably with the sinker region of The Rejected Realms, and World Assembly Delegate, representing the region in this august body,

I think more could be said about the difficulty of healing TYW/TRR ties given the incident where TYW tipped TRR's Delegacy. I'm not super well versed on the history there, and don't have a side, but suffice to say I don't think this was any small FA accomplishment.

The rest of this needs to be unpacked more or consolidated. Did they do anything noteworthy as WA Delegate or Minister of Intelligence? You say nothing about their work as Minister of Intelligence and, regarding their role as WA Del, simply describe the role of a Delegate rather than any action they took.

The Python wrote:Admiring Drop Your Pants’ work within Jethnea, a region which it was a founding member of, and:
  1. Was one of the representatives of Jethnea to the aforementioned FRA,
  2. Served as Speaker in 2011, helping chair debate of legislation within the democratic citizens’ assembly, and
  3. Took up the position of Foreign Affairs Minister in July 2011, following an emergency dissolution of the government due to general inactivity, showing its devotion to the stability of Jethnea,

This isn't doing much for me in general. I think you could consolidate this into one multi-sentence clause instead of a list and maybe take out the extraneous part (i.e. the Speaker bit) and consider whether the FRA bit is important given the forthcoming section on the FRA.

The Python wrote:Lauding Drop Your Pants’ contributions to the FRA, where it served as Foreign Affairs Minister, Speaker and Chief of Defense in 2013; in the latter, helping lead the FRA into operations to protect sovereignty of founderless regions abroad from the invader menace,

Need to do research on what DYP did in any of those positions and why it was significant.

The Python wrote:Celebrating the contributions Drop Your Pants has made to Lazarus, during the governments of both the Lazarene Kingdom and the People’s Republic of Lazarus, by serving, among other positions, as:
  1. Director of Public Relations in 2008, helping build alliances with various regions across the world stage,
  2. Steward of Emerald City from 2008 to 2009, the position which ran the Emerald Council, the legislative body of Lazarus at the time,
  3. World Assembly Delegate from 2011 to 2012, leading the region to new heights and representing Lazarus in the World Assembly for over a year, showing its immense dedication to the region, and
  4. General of the Lazarene Liberation Army, serving as the very first General in 2012, and serving another term from 2013 to 2014, helping spearhead the creation of a new defender-aligned force within the region to protect native communities from invasion abroad, which under its leadership grew to become the then-largest military that Lazarus had compared to its historical predecessors, and went on to participate in countless operations, most notably the liberations of Italy and Christmas and defences of many other regions such as Union of Socialist Confederate Republics,

The "Director of Public Relations" section just describes what a PR/FA Director does. As does the Delegate clause and the Steward/Legislative Chair clause. Only the LLA General clause really does any work.
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Postby The Python » Thu Jul 01, 2021 7:43 pm

HumanSanity wrote:I am excited to see how this draft pans out, but for now it's in need of some work.

The Python wrote:Recognising Drop Your Pants as a nation known for projecting soft power and showing dedication to a multitude of regions and organisations that it has participated in, as well as playing a leading role within the defender cause through the Founderless Regions Alliance (henceforth referred to as the FRA), an interregional alliance dedicated to the protection of vulnerable regional communities from the threat of invasion,

The first part of the clause is good for an opening clause--it suggests the genre of DYP's accomplishments (projecting soft power and dedication) and suggests it has participated in a diversity of areas. I think this should be split off from the second part which references the FRA.

Okay, I split this clause into 2 (one about FRA)

HumanSanity wrote:
The Python wrote:Noting Drop Your Pants’ significant contributions to The YoungWorld, where it served as Minister of Intelligence, held three terms as Minister of Foreign Affairs, helping secure friendships and alliances across the interregional sphere, most notably with the sinker region of The Rejected Realms, and World Assembly Delegate, representing the region in this august body,

I think more could be said about the difficulty of healing TYW/TRR ties given the incident where TYW tipped TRR's Delegacy. I'm not super well versed on the history there, and don't have a side, but suffice to say I don't think this was any small FA accomplishment.

Oh that's something I didn't know :O added, thx

HumanSanity wrote:The rest of this needs to be unpacked more or consolidated. Did they do anything noteworthy as WA Delegate or Minister of Intelligence? You say nothing about their work as Minister of Intelligence and, regarding their role as WA Del, simply describe the role of a Delegate rather than any action they took.

Yeah, I need to research more on this. The reason it's not detailed is because nearly all of this was taken from embassy updates in TRR (I couldn't find their forum and I don't know of anyone from there who is still around)

HumanSanity wrote:
The Python wrote:Admiring Drop Your Pants’ work within Jethnea, a region which it was a founding member of, and:
  1. Was one of the representatives of Jethnea to the aforementioned FRA,
  2. Served as Speaker in 2011, helping chair debate of legislation within the democratic citizens’ assembly, and
  3. Took up the position of Foreign Affairs Minister in July 2011, following an emergency dissolution of the government due to general inactivity, showing its devotion to the stability of Jethnea,

This isn't doing much for me in general. I think you could consolidate this into one multi-sentence clause instead of a list and maybe take out the extraneous part (i.e. the Speaker bit) and consider whether the FRA bit is important given the forthcoming section on the FRA.

I merged this all into one clause (plus mentioned a MoEA term which I hadn't included before because yes)

HumanSanity wrote:
The Python wrote:Lauding Drop Your Pants’ contributions to the FRA, where it served as Foreign Affairs Minister, Speaker and Chief of Defense in 2013; in the latter, helping lead the FRA into operations to protect sovereignty of founderless regions abroad from the invader menace,

Need to do research on what DYP did in any of those positions and why it was significant.

Yes.

HumanSanity wrote:
The Python wrote:Celebrating the contributions Drop Your Pants has made to Lazarus, during the governments of both the Lazarene Kingdom and the People’s Republic of Lazarus, by serving, among other positions, as:
  1. Director of Public Relations in 2008, helping build alliances with various regions across the world stage,
  2. Steward of Emerald City from 2008 to 2009, the position which ran the Emerald Council, the legislative body of Lazarus at the time,
  3. World Assembly Delegate from 2011 to 2012, leading the region to new heights and representing Lazarus in the World Assembly for over a year, showing its immense dedication to the region, and
  4. General of the Lazarene Liberation Army, serving as the very first General in 2012, and serving another term from 2013 to 2014, helping spearhead the creation of a new defender-aligned force within the region to protect native communities from invasion abroad, which under its leadership grew to become the then-largest military that Lazarus had compared to its historical predecessors, and went on to participate in countless operations, most notably the liberations of Italy and Christmas and defences of many other regions such as Union of Socialist Confederate Republics,

The "Director of Public Relations" section just describes what a PR/FA Director does. As does the Delegate clause and the Steward/Legislative Chair clause. Only the LLA General clause really does any work.
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:59 pm

Some bits of this proposal are good. Other bits, however, simply repeat other other bits. Obligatory Tinhamptonian rewrite of your proposal as-is :P :
The Security Council,

Recognising Drop Your Pants (DYP) as a nation known for projecting soft power and showing dedication to a multitude of regions and organisations that they have participated in,

Noting DYP’s significant contributions to The YoungWorld, where - in addition to acting as its Minister of Intelligence and World Assembly Delegate - they served three terms as Minister of Foreign Affairs, where they notably helped rebuild their region's relationship with and trust in The Rejected Realms after The YoungWorld miraculously tipped their delegacy in 2004 (months before DYP was founded),

Admiring DYP’s work within Jethnea, where they served in many governmental positions, most famously taking over as Foreign Affairs Minister in July 2011 after large-scale inactivity led to the regional government's emergency dissolution, by which DYP demonstrated their devotion to the stability of a region they helped to found,

Lauding DYP’s contributions to the Founderless Regions Alliance, including their service as Foreign Affairs Minister, Speaker and Chief of Defense (where it helped the Alliance fulfil its goal of protecting the sovereignty of vulnerable regional communities from the invader menace) in 2013,

Celebrating DYP's contributions to Lazarus during the rule of both the Emerald Kingdom and the People’s Republic of Lazarus, where they served (among other positions) as:
  1. Director of Public Relations in 2008, where their expertise in diplomacy undoubtedly helped Lazarus build alliances with many regions,
  2. Steward of Emerald City from 2008 to 2009, which entailed their leadership of the Emerald Council, at the time the Lazarene legislature,
  3. World Assembly Delegate from 2011 to 2012, during which they led Lazarus to new heights despite serving at a time when it gained ejection abilities and lost its monopoly on refounded nation arrivals, and
  4. The inaugural General of the Lazarene Liberation Army (LLA) in 2012, and General again from 2013 to 2014, where they helped spearhead the creation of a new defender-aligned military that went on to become the largest in Lazarus' recorded history at the time; the LLA under DYP's rule was an avowed defender-aligned military that famously helped to thwart invasions of founderless regions such as Italy, Christmas and Union of Socialist Confederate Republics,
Observing DYP’s role in the stabilisation of Soviet Union, which it helped to lock down in order to prevent further invasions following a raid by Osiris in 2013, and the founder nation of which DYP ultimately won controlled of so that it could be further protected from attack in the long term,

Believing that DYP's commitment to the regions they have served and resided in, as well as the defender cause as a whole, makes them more than worthy of being celebrated by their body,

Hereby Commends Drop Your Pants.
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Tinhampton wrote:Some bits of this proposal are good. Other bits, however, simply repeat other other bits. Obligatory Tinhamptonian rewrite of your proposal as-is :P :
The Security Council,

Recognising Drop Your Pants (DYP) as a nation known for projecting soft power and showing dedication to a multitude of regions and organisations that they have participated in,

Noting DYP’s significant contributions to The YoungWorld, where - in addition to acting as its Minister of Intelligence and World Assembly Delegate - they served three terms as Minister of Foreign Affairs, where they notably helped rebuild their region's relationship with and trust in The Rejected Realms after The YoungWorld miraculously tipped their delegacy in 2004 (months before DYP was founded),

Admiring DYP’s work within Jethnea, where they served in many governmental positions, most famously taking over as Foreign Affairs Minister in July 2011 after large-scale inactivity led to the regional government's emergency dissolution, by which DYP demonstrated their devotion to the stability of a region they helped to found,

Lauding DYP’s contributions to the Founderless Regions Alliance, including their service as Foreign Affairs Minister, Speaker and Chief of Defense (where it helped the Alliance fulfil its goal of protecting the sovereignty of vulnerable regional communities from the invader menace) in 2013,

Celebrating DYP's contributions to Lazarus during the rule of both the Emerald Kingdom and the People’s Republic of Lazarus, where they served (among other positions) as:
  1. Director of Public Relations in 2008, where their expertise in diplomacy undoubtedly helped Lazarus build alliances with many regions,
  2. Steward of Emerald City from 2008 to 2009, which entailed their leadership of the Emerald Council, at the time the Lazarene legislature,
  3. World Assembly Delegate from 2011 to 2012, during which they led Lazarus to new heights despite serving at a time when it gained ejection abilities and lost its monopoly on refounded nation arrivals, and
  4. The inaugural General of the Lazarene Liberation Army (LLA) in 2012, and General again from 2013 to 2014, where they helped spearhead the creation of a new defender-aligned military that went on to become the largest in Lazarus' recorded history at the time; the LLA under DYP's rule was an avowed defender-aligned military that famously helped to thwart invasions of founderless regions such as Italy, Christmas and Union of Socialist Confederate Republics,
Observing DYP’s role in the stabilisation of Soviet Union, which it helped to lock down in order to prevent further invasions following a raid by Osiris in 2013, and the founder nation of which DYP ultimately won controlled of so that it could be further protected from attack in the long term,

Believing that DYP's commitment to the regions they have served and resided in, as well as the defender cause as a whole, makes them more than worthy of being celebrated by their body,

Hereby Commends Drop Your Pants.

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Postby Goobergunchia » Fri Jul 02, 2021 7:22 am

"Tipped their delegacy" credits the YoungWorlders of the day with more competence than was actually the case -- they only got it for one day because of a server glitch that miscounted endorsements. For more background, see Kandarin's writeup. That being said I'm not sure how entirely relevant that incident is at all to the commendation -- the broader story would be TYW joining the defender sphere via DSA and then FRA. (I wasn't around much in 2006/2007 so can't give you much about that, sorry -- it was kind of a surprise to me too.)

Grammatically, I'd also reorder that sentence because right now it reads that the "no small accomplishment" was the TRR/TYW war itself.
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Postby HumanSanity » Fri Jul 02, 2021 7:42 am

Goobergunchia wrote:"Tipped their delegacy" credits the YoungWorlders of the day with more competence than was actually the case -- they only got it for one day because of a server glitch that miscounted endorsements. For more background, see Kandarin's writeup. That being said I'm not sure how entirely relevant that incident is at all to the commendation -- the broader story would be TYW joining the defender sphere via DSA and then FRA. (I wasn't around much in 2006/2007 so can't give you much about that, sorry -- it was kind of a surprise to me too.)

Grammatically, I'd also reorder that sentence because right now it reads that the "no small accomplishment" was the TRR/TYW war itself.

Thanks for providing a more concrete source. I was sure I had explained wrong

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HumanSanity wrote:
Goobergunchia wrote:"Tipped their delegacy" credits the YoungWorlders of the day with more competence than was actually the case -- they only got it for one day because of a server glitch that miscounted endorsements. For more background, see Kandarin's writeup. That being said I'm not sure how entirely relevant that incident is at all to the commendation -- the broader story would be TYW joining the defender sphere via DSA and then FRA. (I wasn't around much in 2006/2007 so can't give you much about that, sorry -- it was kind of a surprise to me too.)

Grammatically, I'd also reorder that sentence because right now it reads that the "no small accomplishment" was the TRR/TYW war itself.

Thanks for providing a more concrete source. I was sure I had explained wrong

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Ah okay.
Noting Drop Your Pants' significant contributions to The YoungWorld, where, in addition to acting as its Minister of Intelligence and World Assembly Delegate, they served three terms as Minister of Foreign Affairs, where they notably helped secure TYW's entry into the aforementioned FRA to help defend vulnerable regions from invasion, and also helped rebuild their region's relationship with and trust in the Rejected Realms after an incident in 2004 which resulted in a state of war between the Rejected Realms and The YoungWorld,

(also added something about DYP helping secure TYW's entry into the FRA)
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I'd suggest putting your current draft at the top. Almost started giving feedback on the old draft at first.
The Security Council,

Recognising Drop Your Pants as a nation known for projecting soft power and showing dedication to a multitude of regions and organisations that it has participated in,
I find soft power a weird phrase in this context. Perhaps just use "known for their influence..."?

Noting Drop Your Pants' significant contributions to The YoungWorld, where, in addition to acting as its Minister of Intelligence and World Assembly Delegate, they served three terms as Minister of Foreign Affairs, where they notably helped secure TYW's entry into the aforementioned FRA to help defend vulnerable regions from invasion, and also helped rebuild their region's relationship with and trust in the Rejected Realms after an incident in 2004 which resulted in a state of war between the Rejected Realms and The YoungWorld,
What was the incident with TRR? Why should we care about it? What TYW do in the FRA that makes it significant that they joined?

Admiring Drop Your Pants' work within Jethnea, a region it was a founding member of, where they served in many governmental positions such as Speaker and Councillor of External Affairs, but more notably taking over as Foreign Affairs Minister in July 2011 after large-scale inactivity led to the regional government's emergency dissolution, by which Drop Your Pants demonstrated their devotion to the stability of Jethnea,
What did they do as Speaker and Councillor of External Affairs? What specifically did DYP do to demonstrate their devotion to the stability of Jethnea as the Foreign Affairs Minister?

Lauding Drop Your Pants’ contributions to the FRA, where it served as Foreign Affairs Minister, Speaker and Chief of Defense in 2013; in the latter, helping lead the FRA into operations to protect sovereignty of founderless regions abroad from the invader menace,
Once again, what did they do in these position (aside from the Chief of Defense which you touch on)? How many operations did DYP lead?

Celebrating the contributions Drop Your Pants has made to Lazarus during the governments of both the Emerald Kingdom and the People’s Republic of Lazarus by serving, among other positions, as:
  1. Director of Public Relations in 2008, where their expertise in diplomacy undoubtedly helped Lazarus build alliances with many regions,
What regions? Did those alliances last?
  • Steward of Emerald City from 2008 to 2009, which entailed their leadership of the Emerald Council, at the time the Lazarene legislature,
  • Guess what my feedback is? :P What did they do in this position?
  • World Assembly Delegate from 2011 to 2012, leading the region to new heights and representing Lazarus in the World Assembly for over a year, showing its immense dedication to the region, and
  • Leading the region to new heights is an incredibly generic statement and does not actually state their impact.
  • General of the Lazarene Liberation Army, serving as the very first General in 2012, and serving another term from 2013 to 2014, helping spearhead the creation of a new defender-aligned force within the region to protect native communities from invasion abroad, which under its leadership grew to become the then-largest military that Lazarus had compared to its historical predecessors, and went on to participate in countless defensive operations, most notably in Italy, Christmas and Union of Socialist Confederate Republics,
  • This is more the description type of what DYP did in a position that I'm looking for. I do think that this could be enhanced if you have a number on how many operations DYP led albeit I recognize that historical information is often hard to get.
    Observing Drop Your Pants’ role in the stabilisation of the region of Soviet Union, where it helped lock the region down and prevent further invasions following a raid by Osiris in 2013, and eventually gained control of the founder nation so that the region was no longer threatened by the lack of an active founder,

    This is a bit strange considering that Soviet Union no longer has an active founder...

    Overall, while you have a long list of positions DYP did in the past, I don't understand the impact that DYP had.
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    Postby The Python » Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:02 pm

    Praeceps wrote:I'd suggest putting your current draft at the top. Almost started giving feedback on the old draft at first.

    Good idea, decided to move it into the second/reserved post.
    Praeceps wrote:
    The Security Council,

    Recognising Drop Your Pants as a nation known for projecting soft power and showing dedication to a multitude of regions and organisations that it has participated in,
    I find soft power a weird phrase in this context. Perhaps just use "known for their influence..."?

    k.

    Praeceps wrote:
    Noting Drop Your Pants' significant contributions to The YoungWorld, where, in addition to acting as its Minister of Intelligence and World Assembly Delegate, they served three terms as Minister of Foreign Affairs, where they notably helped secure TYW's entry into the aforementioned FRA to help defend vulnerable regions from invasion, and also helped rebuild their region's relationship with and trust in the Rejected Realms after an incident in 2004 which resulted in a state of war between the Rejected Realms and The YoungWorld,
    What was the incident with TRR? Why should we care about it? What TYW do in the FRA that makes it significant that they joined?

    Ok.
    Re: TYW in the FRA, I don't know about anything special TYW did in the FRA other than as a member, except that Sir Lans was from there.

    Praeceps wrote:
    Admiring Drop Your Pants' work within Jethnea, a region it was a founding member of, where they served in many governmental positions such as Speaker and Councillor of External Affairs, but more notably taking over as Foreign Affairs Minister in July 2011 after large-scale inactivity led to the regional government's emergency dissolution, by which Drop Your Pants demonstrated their devotion to the stability of Jethnea,
    What did they do as Speaker and Councillor of External Affairs? What specifically did DYP do to demonstrate their devotion to the stability of Jethnea as the Foreign Affairs Minister?

    I will research this and see how much I can get by tommorrow :p

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    Lauding Drop Your Pants’ contributions to the FRA, where it served as Foreign Affairs Minister, Speaker and Chief of Defense in 2013; in the latter, helping lead the FRA into operations to protect sovereignty of founderless regions abroad from the invader menace,
    Once again, what did they do in these position (aside from the Chief of Defense which you touch on)? How many operations did DYP lead?

    I added more detail on what these positions do, but... yep I'll see what other operations he has led that can be mentioned :p

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    [*]World Assembly Delegate from 2011 to 2012, leading the region to new heights and representing Lazarus in the World Assembly for over a year, showing its immense dedication to the region, and
    Leading the region to new heights is an incredibly generic statement and does not actually state their impact.

    Yeah I'll see what I can find on this then

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    Observing Drop Your Pants’ role in the stabilisation of the region of Soviet Union, where it helped lock the region down and prevent further invasions following a raid by Osiris in 2013, and eventually gained control of the founder nation so that the region was no longer threatened by the lack of an active founder,

    This is a bit strange considering that Soviet Union no longer has an active founder...

    As of March, DYP still controls the founder of Soviet Union, just hasn't logged in.
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    Postby The Python » Mon Jul 05, 2021 1:16 pm

    Okie I did some (extra) research now.
    Praeceps wrote:
    Admiring Drop Your Pants' work within Jethnea, a region it was a founding member of, where they served in many governmental positions such as Speaker and Councillor of External Affairs, but more notably taking over as Foreign Affairs Minister in July 2011 after large-scale inactivity led to the regional government's emergency dissolution, by which Drop Your Pants demonstrated their devotion to the stability of Jethnea,
    What did they do as Speaker and Councillor of External Affairs? What specifically did DYP do to demonstrate their devotion to the stability of Jethnea as the Foreign Affairs Minister?

    Added more! :>

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    Lauding Drop Your Pants’ contributions to the FRA, where it served as Foreign Affairs Minister, Speaker and Chief of Defense in 2013; in the latter, helping lead the FRA into operations to protect sovereignty of founderless regions abroad from the invader menace,
    Once again, what did they do in these position (aside from the Chief of Defense which you touch on)? How many operations did DYP lead?

    Added a bit more detail, but I couldn't really find much even on the old FRA forum.

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    [*]World Assembly Delegate from 2011 to 2012, leading the region to new heights and representing Lazarus in the World Assembly for over a year, showing its immense dedication to the region, and
    Leading the region to new heights is an incredibly generic statement and does not actually state their impact.

    I added a lot of more detail.
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    Postby Tinhampton » Mon Jul 05, 2021 1:21 pm

    1. Is the post of "Councillor of External Affairs" in Jethnea substantially or in fact identical to that of "Foreign Affairs Minister?"

    Commend DYP wrote:World Assembly Delegate from 2011 to 2012, leading the region to new heights for over a year, during which the region's governmental activity significantly increased and many significant legislative and political actions were taken, notably changes to the Foreign Affairs embassy policy resulting in the building of many new embassies such as those in The United States of Europe, Jethnea and The United Federation, as well as the introduction of the Vice Delegate position allowing for the WA Delegate to delegate their job to a dedicated deputy position,

    2. Was the above accomplished, or merely overseen, by DYP?
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    Postby The Python » Mon Jul 05, 2021 1:28 pm

    Tinhampton wrote:1. Is the post of "Councillor of External Affairs" in Jethnea substantially or in fact identical to that of "Foreign Affairs Minister?"

    As far as I know, yes it is identical. In the July elections for the transitional government, it is referred to as "Foreign Affairs Minister" but in the August elections for the actual government, it is referred to as "Councillor of External Affairs", with no position of "Foreign Affairs Minister". (note: you might need to sign up on the Jethnea forums through Tapatalk to see the links)

    Tinhampton wrote:
    Commend DYP wrote:World Assembly Delegate from 2011 to 2012, leading the region to new heights for over a year, during which the region's governmental activity significantly increased and many significant legislative and political actions were taken, notably changes to the Foreign Affairs embassy policy resulting in the building of many new embassies such as those in The United States of Europe, Jethnea and The United Federation, as well as the introduction of the Vice Delegate position allowing for the WA Delegate to delegate their job to a dedicated deputy position,

    2. Was the above accomplished, or merely overseen, by DYP?

    Mostly overseen.

    EDIT: Clarified this in that clause
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    Postby The Python » Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:10 pm

    *bumps before this slides into the second page*
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    Postby The Python » Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:31 pm

    Consider this a threat to bring this to last call if there's no big suggestions in the next 3 days or so :p
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    Draft looks very nice and the nominee is commendable.
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    Praeceps wrote:This is a bit strange considering that Soviet Union no longer has an active founder...

    It's to pull out clueless fash raids, but most of GP knows i have the founder by now so no one bothers with it besides the odd tag :P
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    *Drops Pants* Full Support!
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    Morover has sent me suggestions in private, which have been added.
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