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Postby Hulldom » Tue May 25, 2021 11:31 am

Audioslavia wrote:
Electrum wrote:Though I do suppose it can count for AO because these were won while those nations were in AO. I think you need to clarify that detail further.


I agree with this, fwiw. There's no official tally of how many trophies any region has. If there were an official tally it'd more likely follow Wikipedia's system of listing the nation with whatever flag they had at the time and whatever region they had at the time.

Wasn’t sure if there was. Though I assume it wouldn’t be too hard to do some due diligence and figure it out, even if such thing doesn’t exist at the moment.
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Postby Atlantian Oceania » Tue May 25, 2021 2:47 pm

While this isn't the first time this question has come up (Apparently it has been a recommendation since 2011 viewtopic.php?p=4887069#p4887069 ) It is very appreciative to see the questions - a number of users equally qualified to provide answers already have but this account will monitor as need be or be available for any direct questions as needed. To some of the points already raised:

Eshialand wrote:under normal circumstances, this would be uncontroversial, but that doesn't change the fact that there are fresh wounds in NSS that need time to heal before this goes to vote.


Voting takes place gameside and is unlikely to be affected by any minor IC/OOC ongoing events. I believe the key for Security proposals like this is to get the language correct and thats what the Author has been working to do for a number of months by all accounts. When they get it right and feel it is ready for a vote they will propose it - and at that time, regional delegates from across the entire game will decide whether it is ready to be put forth to the entire NS population. As for Atlantian Oceania - it has existed for 17 years. As has already been stated, nations come and nations go. Many have been there for 17 years, some have been there for 17 days. This proposal is about the accomplishments and contributions of the region and its members over the course of this time period and whether those as a whole are worthy of commendation. A number of the nations you seem to be implying would need time to consider are the very ones responding to the questions being posed in this thread. Perhaps this even helps to close those 'fresh wounds' but more importantly - hopefully your concern has been wholly mitigated at this point.




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Hulldom wrote:Though I assume it wouldn’t be too hard to do some due diligence and figure it out, even if such thing doesn’t exist at the moment.


The gameside flag (at right) of Atlantian Oceania includes a star below for each World Cup won by a nation who was a member of the region. The number was determined at some point on the NS Sports Discord though never published as an official document / record kept. Regardless of what the specific number is, it is known that Atlantian Oceania has both hosted and won the most total World Cups when compared with any other region in the game.

The most number of Nationstates World Cup Titles (37 titles) belong to Atlantian Oceania and the individual title record is shared between Starblaydia, Vilita, and Valanora (5 each).


"37 Nationstates World Cup Titles, a record for one region.", leave out Starblaydia, again.


Noting for lines like this it may be appropriate to include "At time of writing..." as Atlantian Oceania may earn more World Cup titles in the future - some of which may be won by a combination of Valanora, Vilita and/or Starblaydia - the individual record holders who each earned all 5 of their co-record breaking number of Cups while in Atlantian Oceania

"A record number of World Cups hosted by an individual region" (Unsure if this is true, but again, I don't think you should laud the contributions of individuals in a regional commendation unless strictly necessary.)


A quick count got approximately 54 unique World Cups co-hosted by AO which - just at 'over 50' would be a record among any individual region






Starblaydia wrote:the old-timers aren't always eager to shamelessly self-promote like that. Another issue you might face is that AO isn't all that involved in the WA, so quite what qualities and proven achievements you might need to know for a SC Commendation proposal might not be obvious for our members.

A more-than-decent number of AO nations have already been commended for their individual works (Commerce Heights, Audioslavia, Valanora and myself, for example), and while that was never done directly as a concerted AO effort, it very much speaks to the culture of the region that Vilita crafted in those early days of the mid 2000s.

I'd point to the success, for instance, of the Atlantian Oceania Confederation of Association Football, which is by far the oldest regional football/soccer organisation on NS (currently running the 63rd edition), and is pretty much the NS equivalent of UEFA, given the average strength of the nations present in it, and it's history of community leaders and organisers. The AOCAF Cup is the oldest and arguably most prestigious regional tournament on NS, and has not just been a closed shop dominated by users who enter the World Cup, either, as teams like Pacitalia (the record-holding 10-times winners), Lamoni and 95X - none of whom are known for their NSWC involvement - have all lifted the trophy.


Acknowledging Valentine Z’s 3rd place finish in the GENSEC elections with Atlantian Oceania as the nations running mate behind the backing of the residents of AO,

Relevant? AO's place in the community is certainly noteworthy, but is this their biggest achievement?


For further documentation on this type of achievement, this factbook listing shows some of the other April Fools / Gameside events that Atlantian Oceania has participated in alongside other NS Sports partners https://www.nationstates.net/nation=vil ... id=1007273 This includes placing first among all Regions in NS during ZDay7 for Must Survivors with No Infected https://www.nationstates.net/page=zday_ ... tober_2018 . Notably it shows a strong history of collaboration and organization for the gameside events with a plethora of Top 5/10 finishes in such event standings - if they are to be used as a metric in any way.

Atlantian Oceania has a robust hall of records (Offsite Forum) with many IC references if needed to support your efforts, Sorianora, and if you need access to any of those feel free to reach out and we can facilitate that.
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Postby Sorianora » Tue May 25, 2021 6:59 pm

Atlantian Oceania wrote:While this isn't the first time this question has come up (Apparently it has been a recommendation since 2011 viewtopic.php?p=4887069#p4887069 ) It is very appreciative to see the questions - a number of users equally qualified to provide answers already have but this account will monitor as need be or be available for any direct questions as needed. To some of the points already raised:

Eshialand wrote:under normal circumstances, this would be uncontroversial, but that doesn't change the fact that there are fresh wounds in NSS that need time to heal before this goes to vote.


Voting takes place gameside and is unlikely to be affected by any minor IC/OOC ongoing events. I believe the key for Security proposals like this is to get the language correct and thats what the Author has been working to do for a number of months by all accounts. When they get it right and feel it is ready for a vote they will propose it - and at that time, regional delegates from across the entire game will decide whether it is ready to be put forth to the entire NS population. As for Atlantian Oceania - it has existed for 17 years. As has already been stated, nations come and nations go. Many have been there for 17 years, some have been there for 17 days. This proposal is about the accomplishments and contributions of the region and its members over the course of this time period and whether those as a whole are worthy of commendation. A number of the nations you seem to be implying would need time to consider are the very ones responding to the questions being posed in this thread. Perhaps this even helps to close those 'fresh wounds' but more importantly - hopefully your concern has been wholly mitigated at this point.




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Hulldom wrote:Though I assume it wouldn’t be too hard to do some due diligence and figure it out, even if such thing doesn’t exist at the moment.


The gameside flag (at right) of Atlantian Oceania includes a star below for each World Cup won by a nation who was a member of the region. The number was determined at some point on the NS Sports Discord though never published as an official document / record kept. Regardless of what the specific number is, it is known that Atlantian Oceania has both hosted and won the most total World Cups when compared with any other region in the game.

The most number of Nationstates World Cup Titles (37 titles) belong to Atlantian Oceania and the individual title record is shared between Starblaydia, Vilita, and Valanora (5 each).


"37 Nationstates World Cup Titles, a record for one region.", leave out Starblaydia, again.


Noting for lines like this it may be appropriate to include "At time of writing..." as Atlantian Oceania may earn more World Cup titles in the future - some of which may be won by a combination of Valanora, Vilita and/or Starblaydia - the individual record holders who each earned all 5 of their co-record breaking number of Cups while in Atlantian Oceania

"A record number of World Cups hosted by an individual region" (Unsure if this is true, but again, I don't think you should laud the contributions of individuals in a regional commendation unless strictly necessary.)


A quick count got approximately 54 unique World Cups co-hosted by AO which - just at 'over 50' would be a record among any individual region






Starblaydia wrote:the old-timers aren't always eager to shamelessly self-promote like that. Another issue you might face is that AO isn't all that involved in the WA, so quite what qualities and proven achievements you might need to know for a SC Commendation proposal might not be obvious for our members.

A more-than-decent number of AO nations have already been commended for their individual works (Commerce Heights, Audioslavia, Valanora and myself, for example), and while that was never done directly as a concerted AO effort, it very much speaks to the culture of the region that Vilita crafted in those early days of the mid 2000s.

I'd point to the success, for instance, of the Atlantian Oceania Confederation of Association Football, which is by far the oldest regional football/soccer organisation on NS (currently running the 63rd edition), and is pretty much the NS equivalent of UEFA, given the average strength of the nations present in it, and it's history of community leaders and organisers. The AOCAF Cup is the oldest and arguably most prestigious regional tournament on NS, and has not just been a closed shop dominated by users who enter the World Cup, either, as teams like Pacitalia (the record-holding 10-times winners), Lamoni and 95X - none of whom are known for their NSWC involvement - have all lifted the trophy.


Acknowledging Valentine Z’s 3rd place finish in the GENSEC elections with Atlantian Oceania as the nations running mate behind the backing of the residents of AO,

Relevant? AO's place in the community is certainly noteworthy, but is this their biggest achievement?


For further documentation on this type of achievement, this factbook listing shows some of the other April Fools / Gameside events that Atlantian Oceania has participated in alongside other NS Sports partners https://www.nationstates.net/nation=vil ... id=1007273 This includes placing first among all Regions in NS during ZDay7 for Must Survivors with No Infected https://www.nationstates.net/page=zday_ ... tober_2018 . Notably it shows a strong history of collaboration and organization for the gameside events with a plethora of Top 5/10 finishes in such event standings - if they are to be used as a metric in any way.

Atlantian Oceania has a robust hall of records (Offsite Forum) with many IC references if needed to support your efforts, Sorianora, and if you need access to any of those feel free to reach out and we can facilitate that.

Thanks for all the info :). It’s always helpful to hear from a nation in AO, especially a RO.

I believe there already was a commendation draft which never made it out of forums.
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Postby Equestrian States » Tue May 25, 2021 9:09 pm

Sorianora wrote:The most elected World Cup Committee (WCC is the governing body of Nationstates World Cup) presidents are from Starblaydia (6), while residing in AO.

You could actually expand on this clause a bit if you wanted to. Of the 15 nations which have served as WCC President over the years, 8 were/are residents of AO: Starblaydia, Bazalonia, Vephrall, Cafundeu, Audioslavia, Valanora, Equestrian States, and Banija. I'm not sure about the exact timing for a couple of earlier of those, so it's possible they weren't in AO at the time of their presidencies, but they were all in the region at some point at the very least.

edit: Also, your numbers on Valanora as the record-holder for participation is a bit off. This sheet might be useful to you, though it doesn't include qualifying attempts, only finals appearances. I also think that the record-holder for qualifying attempts is Jeruselem, not Valanora.
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Postby Commonwealth of Baker Park » Tue May 25, 2021 11:35 pm

Regardless of the timing, the efforts of the co-sponsors should not be diminished. Thank You.

Commending Atlantian Oceania for the numerous reasons cited in the draft cannot be tied to the decision outlined in the Foxchester Declaration. Those who are now in Anaia don't deny that the achievements cited occurred while a part of AO; we in AO cannot pretend that the Anian nations forfeit their accomplishments now that they have chosen to go along a new path.

I would be the first in line to vote in favor of commending any nation formerly in AO that is now in Anaia if such a proposal came to vote.
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Postby Starblaydia » Wed May 26, 2021 5:53 am

I am happy for Starblaydia to be mentioned in terms of achievements while in AO, if it provides any extra value to the prose in terms of name recognition or similar. I literally wouldn't have stuck around this long without the region and it's various players other the years. Adding the disclaimer of 'while residing in AO' may be a bit of a mouthful, but the mentions of WC wins, WCC Presidency elections and Commendation may help with a name attached.

It seems like most of my initial thoughts have been taken up in one way or another, so I'll just give a general and wholehearted thumbs up to this proposal for the region that essentially professionalised Sports RP on NS.
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Postby Nova Vandalia » Wed May 26, 2021 6:10 am

Starblaydia wrote:I am happy for Starblaydia to be mentioned in terms of achievements while in AO, if it provides any extra value to the prose in terms of name recognition or similar. I literally wouldn't have stuck around this long without the region and it's various players other the years. Adding the disclaimer of 'while residing in AO' may be a bit of a mouthful, but the mentions of WC wins, WCC Presidency elections and Commendation may help with a name attached.

It seems like most of my initial thoughts have been taken up in one way or another, so I'll just give a general and wholehearted thumbs up to this proposal for the region that essentially professionalised Sports RP on NS.



That's a darn good endorsement. While I'd still like to see more flavorful writing, that alone is enough of a reason to vote yes when it gets out of draft.
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Postby Indusse » Wed May 26, 2021 10:44 pm

Thank you for all the support we have got on this draft, we will be still working on this and will be publishing another draft soon.
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Postby Sorianora » Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:51 pm

Uploaded a third draft now
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Postby Audioslavia » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:46 am

Sorianora wrote:[*]Valanora currently holds the record for the most cups participated in: 54 qualification attempts, with 42 finals appearances.[/list]


The figure here should be 55 finals appearances (see the leftmost column of the SRS Rankings, which details how many editions of the World Cup's last 32 each nation made. The 55th appearance is for the current World Cup) in 60 attempts (see this slightly out-dated version of the Idiot Project database from a couple of World Cups ago). Neither is a record, but Valanora have been atop the SRS Rankings - which ranks teams based on all-time performance in the World Cup - for quite some time and won't be overtaken any time soon. Perhaps that could go in that bullet-point instead.

Seven of the top ten teams in these SRS rankings spent the majority of their history in AO.
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Postby Sorianora » Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:38 pm

Audioslavia wrote:
Sorianora wrote:[*]Valanora currently holds the record for the most cups participated in: 54 qualification attempts, with 42 finals appearances.[/list]


The figure here should be 55 finals appearances (see the leftmost column of the SRS Rankings, which details how many editions of the World Cup's last 32 each nation made. The 55th appearance is for the current World Cup) in 60 attempts (see this slightly out-dated version of the Idiot Project database from a couple of World Cups ago). Neither is a record, but Valanora have been atop the SRS Rankings - which ranks teams based on all-time performance in the World Cup - for quite some time and won't be overtaken any time soon. Perhaps that could go in that bullet-point instead.

Seven of the top ten teams in these SRS rankings spent the majority of their history in AO.

Oh, ok thanks! Added! For the 4th draft I will most likely include the last point with AO’s domination of the SRS rankings.
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Postby Sorianora » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:14 pm

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