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Postby Comfed » Sun May 30, 2021 6:29 am

I am not impressed by this resolution. Especially the XKI delegate clause.
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Postby Bormiar » Sun May 30, 2021 6:32 am

Comfed wrote:I am not impressed by this resolution. Especially the XKI delegate clause.

The structure is problematic, but your tone seems a little harsh to me. Can you elaborate?

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Postby Moonfungus » Sun May 30, 2021 6:55 am

Comfed wrote:I am not impressed by this resolution. Especially the XKI delegate clause.

Can you elaborate on your point like Borimar said, so that I can take notes for the future? :P
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Postby Comfed » Sun May 30, 2021 7:02 am

Moonfungus wrote:
Comfed wrote:I am not impressed by this resolution. Especially the XKI delegate clause.

Can you elaborate on your point like Borimar said, so that I can take notes for the future? :P
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Comfed wrote:I am not impressed by this resolution. Especially the XKI delegate clause.

The structure is problematic, but your tone seems a little harsh to me. Can you elaborate?

Yes, I can, but not on my phone. I’ll do it in a little bit.
EDIT:
- You keep referencing HumanSanity as "it" - while it would be illegal to use gender pronouns, I think "they" is fine.
- I don't like the structure, it seems a bit disorganised and there are many sections that should be merged. For instance, the part about the Renegade Islands Alliance is confusingly divided into three articles, and it feels like the second two could be merged into your first list. The part about XKI should also be reorganised.
- "Hereby commends HumanSanity" should be "Hereby Commends HumanSanity"
- I think HS's term as delegate of XKI is not worthy of being referenced in this resolution, especially considering the emphasis on diplomacy, which is a very inaccurate view of a term that actually made XKI less diplomatic compared to the previous term of Kuriko.
- I oppose a commendation for this nominee because HS has acted anti-TNP without reasonable cause throughout their term, including signing on to a statement about TNP that had nothing to do with XKI, and later breaking off relations with TNP without good reason. (My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of TNP.)
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Postby Refuge Isle » Sun May 30, 2021 10:06 am

Comfed wrote:- "Hereby commends HumanSanity" should be "Hereby Commends HumanSanity"

There are a variety of past C&Cs (recent, too) that use both styles. A variety of people have used a lower-case C including myself, Greater Cesnica, Honeydew, Cretox, and issue editor Noah.

Grammatically, I don't know why you would capitalise it unless the line started with the word.

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Postby Quebecshire » Sun May 30, 2021 2:32 pm

Comfed wrote:- I think HS's term as delegate of XKI is not worthy of being referenced in this resolution, especially considering the emphasis on diplomacy, which is a very inaccurate view of a term that actually made XKI less diplomatic compared to the previous term of Kuriko.

Does your complaint originate from HS not keeping Islander FA quiet during TNP's attempt to gaslight TSP, or does this come from something else? The resolution mentions three reasons his delegacy was positive, so I'm not sure why you're so upset by it if not that.
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Postby Partnership for Sovereignty » Mon May 31, 2021 6:13 am

The Partnership for Sovereignty recommends a vote FOR "Commend HumanSanity”: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1553355

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Postby Bormiar » Mon May 31, 2021 8:04 am

Comfed wrote:- You keep referencing HumanSanity as "it" - while it would be illegal to use gender pronouns, I think "they" is fine.

"It" is probably more correct than "they", if anything. "They" only works in certain circumstances. It doesn't work for descriptions of the nation (e.g. it is touristy vs they are touristy). "They" would probably refer to the people of the nation.

Honestly, I think that's very pedantic.
Comfed wrote:- I don't like the structure, it seems a bit disorganised and there are many sections that should be merged. For instance, the part about the Renegade Islands Alliance is confusingly divided into three articles, and it feels like the second two could be merged into your first list. The part about XKI should also be reorganised.

I don't like that the draft uses unnecessary lists. I find that to be a crutch.

Comfed wrote:- "Hereby commends HumanSanity" should be "Hereby Commends HumanSanity"

No it obviously should not. It's neither the start of a clause nor a proper noun. In fact, the only word (which isn't a proper noun) that should be capitalized is "The" as in "The Security Council," because every resolution is a single sentence (The Security Council, noting blah blah blah, hereby does blah blah blah). Capitalized the start of each line, however, looks better.

And again, pedantics.

Comfed wrote:- I think HS's term as delegate of XKI is not worthy of being referenced in this resolution, especially considering the emphasis on diplomacy, which is a very inaccurate view of a term that actually made XKI less diplomatic compared to the previous term of Kuriko.

Personally, I'd call Kuri "internationally minded". That includes diplomacy, but primarily involves furthering her regions goals internationally (which I respect more than just diplomacy). HS might be more isolationist, which would be characteristic of 10KI, but the evidence provided in the draft seems to be characteristic of the diplomatic contributions of the average GCR delegate. Maybe it implies problematic things about HS (I'm not debating that), but I don't think it says anything explicitly problematic.

Comfed wrote:- I oppose a commendation for this nominee because HS has acted anti-TNP without reasonable cause throughout their term, including signing on to a statement about TNP that had nothing to do with XKI, and later breaking off relations with TNP without good reason. (My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of TNP.)


TNP-10KI relations fracturing was a long time coming. I've always been more on TNPs side, but I have to admit that both sides have been rather cold and hostile to each other for quite a while now.
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Postby Moonfungus » Mon May 31, 2021 10:15 am

You keep referencing HumanSanity as "it" - while it would be illegal to use gender pronouns, I think "they" is fine.

As you said, using gender pronouns is illegal and while "they/their/them" might be legal, I didn't want to risk it.

I don't like the structure, it seems a bit disorganised and there are many sections that should be merged. For instance, the part about the Renegade Islands Alliance is confusingly divided into three articles, and it feels like the second two could be merged into your first list. The part about XKI should also be reorganised.

Yeah, I agree that I could've reorganized it a bit better and make it a bit less listy, like some have pointed out to me in private. I will have to however insist on the RIA part being right, considering I had done exactly as you described very early on into the drafting process and was suggested to segment it in order to make it not seem like a bloated, tucked on clause.

I think HS's term as delegate of XKI is not worthy of being referenced in this resolution, especially considering the emphasis on diplomacy, which is a very inaccurate view of a term that actually made XKI less diplomatic compared to the previous term of Kuriko.

I naturally disagree with this assertion and find it kind of weird that you would ask me to leave off his term as Delegate of XKI (the FA/WA head of the largest non-GCR defender region) out of his commendation. Even if he did some things that you (or me, for that matter) may personally not agree on, his term as Delegate was impactful and overall beneficial for XKI and the defender sphere as a whole. That is something we can agree on.

Does that clause necessarily reflect those achievements? Probably. I admit that I may have made some mistakes while drafting and could've changed the structure of the draft, like Borimar and Fauxia said (in private), made it a bit less listy, could've kept the PfS point in there. But do I believe that HS's term as XKI Delegate deserves a place in this draft and I feel many others would agree with me.
Comfed wrote:I oppose a commendation for this nominee because HS has acted anti-TNP without reasonable cause throughout their term, including signing on to a statement about TNP that had nothing to do with XKI, and later breaking off relations with TNP without good reason. (My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of TNP.)

I will just quote Quebec's post in response to this, since it sums up my thoughts about this;
Quebecshire wrote:Does your complaint originate from HS not keeping Islander FA quiet during TNP's attempt to gaslight TSP, or does this come from something else?


Nonetheless, thank you for sharing your thoughts and giving some feedback! Even if it was a bit late for me to implement these, I will keep this in mind in case I write any future resolutions.
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Postby Lenlyvit » Mon May 31, 2021 3:52 pm

Moonfungus wrote:
You keep referencing HumanSanity as "it" - while it would be illegal to use gender pronouns, I think "they" is fine.

As you said, using gender pronouns is illegal and while "they/their/them" might be legal, I didn't want to risk it.

They/their/they're/them is 100% legal to use, just want to point that out.
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Postby Praeceps » Mon May 31, 2021 4:50 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
Comfed wrote:- I think HS's term as delegate of XKI is not worthy of being referenced in this resolution, especially considering the emphasis on diplomacy, which is a very inaccurate view of a term that actually made XKI less diplomatic compared to the previous term of Kuriko.

Does your complaint originate from HS not keeping Islander FA quiet during TNP's attempt to gaslight TSP, or does this come from something else? The resolution mentions three reasons his delegacy was positive, so I'm not sure why you're so upset by it if not that.

You clearly don't know what gaslight means.
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Postby Scalizagasti » Mon May 31, 2021 7:26 pm

The United Regions Alliance recommends that nations vote for this resolution. https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1553583
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Postby Quebecshire » Mon May 31, 2021 7:56 pm

Praeceps wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:Does your complaint originate from HS not keeping Islander FA quiet during TNP's attempt to gaslight TSP, or does this come from something else? The resolution mentions three reasons his delegacy was positive, so I'm not sure why you're so upset by it if not that.

You clearly don't know what gaslight means.

Would a more drawn-out wording suffice? I'd be happy to revise my comment to the following.

    Does your (Comfed's) complaint originate from HS not keeping Islander FA quiet during TNP's attempt to lambast, malign, and mischaracterize TSP by attempting to manipulate the narrative of the situation to the extent of accusing defenders of aiding the cause of or otherwise abetting fascist interests, or does this come from something else?

Note: This post is in a personal capacity, not that of any position I hold.
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:58 am

HumanSanity is pretty clearly worthy of commendation. Whether or not someone pissed in The North Pacific's Wheaties at some point isn't a Security Council metric for whether a nominee should be commended. Fortunately, it appears the vast, overwhelming majority of regions and individual voters agree.
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Postby Moonfungus » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:28 pm

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:36 pm

Congratulations to both of you.
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Postby Westinor » Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:05 pm

Congrats!! Well done ^-^
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Postby Zukchiva » Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:11 am

Congrats!!
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Postby Nova Vandalia » Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:13 am

Congratulations HS
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Postby HumanSanity » Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:01 am

Until fairly recently, this is not the kind of honor I ever thought I would earn. I remember being a new player in XKI back in 2011 and having the utmost reverence for Ananke because she held this badge of great honor but still treated newer members with kindness and respect. It is incredibly humbling to have received my own Commendation and I hope to live up to her example.

I want to thank everyone who voted on this Commend and moonfungus for having done an excellent job with the research. Moonfungus is an incredibly new player but also one with universes of potential, and I am sure this resolution will be the first of many that he authors, alongside many other laudable accomplishments.

I want to thank everyone who joined me for the beautiful experiments that were my time in XKI and RIA. Both of these regions and the times I was active in serving them will always have a special place in my heart. I want to give special thanks to Paffnia and Shizensky, the two players who have played the greatest role over time in inspiring me to be the best version of myself, as well as the many close friends I've made along the way.

As it relates to The North Pacific, I am respectful of any region which casts votes on SC resolutions on the basis of regional interest, as this is a significant factor in my votes as well. One could argue a hesitancy to go against the grain by casting regional interest SC votes is actually impeding the extent to which the SC could be used to spice up gameplay. However, I do not agree with the contention that XKI's decisions, or my actions, represented objectively poor diplomacy, but rather reflected the growing and seemingly irreversible interest divergence between TNP and XKI, something which TNP's own statement on the subject acknowledged. My other diplomatic endeavors were intended to secure and strengthen relationships for XKI that would carry it past TNP becoming an fundamentally unreliable partner. Finally, it is inaccurate to say I "co-signed" or "signed onto" an anti-TNP statement during my term, as I released a separate statement limited exclusively to the facts my government was able to verify. XKI did so out of principle and to support a treaty ally, something which was self-evidently in the interests of the region, the only meaningful metric for judging diplomatic actions.

Thank you all for your kind words. I look forward to the opportunity to continue serving and growing regions and enjoying this game we play together.

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Postby Molotovsk » Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:04 am

Good job!

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Postby Paffnia » Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:43 pm

A huge congratulations to HumanSanity on this well-deserved honor.
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