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Nova Vandalia wrote:

Lenlyvit wrote:I'm not involved in XKI anymore.

Did you not just admit to having a nation there, still being on their forums and discord? Is your legacy not tied with theirs? Is writing a commendation for a region not "getting involved" by shoving them into a spotlight you have to defend and fight for? I mean last I checked most uninvolved people don't in fact have access to their forums or discords. Unless things have changes in which case I would like 1 access please.

And you really didn't stutter when you said ""If a member of a region writes a commendation for the region they're in, then that would be considered a self-commendation." to others. But obviously we should build in an exception for you?

But you know you're right it's "my" logic that is flawed.

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:

Lenlyvit wrote:I would argue that the fact two other very successful regions modeled their government off of XKI, that they've extensively worked against feeder coups (including in TNP, where you are), that they've had a hand in multiple anti-fascist operations, and that they've continued protecting innocent regions for almost 18 years is warranting a second commendation.

And I would counter that XKI's long track record of attempting to undermine certain GCRs both publicly and privately, along with their unwarranted invasion of Osiris and the toxicity shown to a player who left XKI are all very good reasons why it might not even deserve one.

Lenlyvit wrote:

Nova Vandalia wrote:
Did you not just admit to having a nation there, still being on their forums and discord? Is your legacy not tied with theirs? Is writing a commendation for a region not "getting involved" by shoving them into a spotlight you have to defend and fight for? I mean last I checked most uninvolved people don't in fact have access to their forums or discords. Unless things have changes in which case I would like 1 access please.

And you really didn't stutter when you said ""If a member of a region writes a commendation for the region they're in, then that would be considered a self-commendation." to others. But obviously we should build in an exception for you?

But you know you're right it's "my" logic that is flawed.

Anyone researching a resolution for a region should have access to said regions forum and Discord to seek information, otherwise they won't find what they are looking for and need.

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:And I would counter that XKI's long track record of attempting to undermine certain GCRs both publicly and privately, along with their unwarranted invasion of Osiris and the toxicity shown to a player who left XKI are all very good reasons why it might not even deserve one.

The XKI of 10 years ago was 1000 times worse than the XKI of today, and was commended twice. XKI has made leaps and bounds towards betterment of its community since Grub left, yet you're all afraid to admit that because you want to keep XKI as the defender boogeyman.

I could argue that TNP has seemed toxic towards and chased out certain players from its community, it's not just one region George.

Also, would you enlighten us all to the GCRs XKI has sought to undermine?

Also, we all admit Osi wasn't a smart move on anyone's part, defender or raider or imperialist.

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:

Lenlyvit wrote:Anyone researching a resolution for a region should have access to said regions forum and Discord to seek information, otherwise they won't find what they are looking for and need.


The XKI of 10 years ago was 1000 times worse than the XKI of today, and was commended twice. XKI has made leaps and bounds towards betterment of its community since Grub left, yet you're all afraid to admit that because you want to keep XKI as the defender boogeyman.

Ok, so how about we repeal the first one and pass this one then? Since the XKI of 10 years ago was apparently so bad, there's no reason why that commendation should stand.

I could argue that TNP has seemed toxic towards and chased out certain players from its community, it's not just one region George.

Lol.

Also, would you enlighten us all to the GCRs XKI has sought to undermine?

I'll assume you haven't been part of XKI's government for... a year at least and give you the benefit of the doubt. But it's been pretty clear that XKI has engaged in anti-TNP actions for at least that long, bad-mouthing TNP both publicly and privately.

Also, we all admit Osi wasn't a smart move on anyone's part, defender or raider or imperialist.

This might be the first time anyone associated (or formerly associated, at least) with XKI has publicly said that.

Lenlyvit wrote:Anyone researching a resolution for a region should have access to said regions forum and Discord to seek information, otherwise they won't find what they are looking for and need.

Lenlyvit wrote:The XKI of 10 years ago was 1000 times worse than the XKI of today, and was commended twice. XKI has made leaps and bounds towards betterment of its community since Grub left, yet you're all afraid to admit that because you want to keep XKI as the defender boogeyman. I could argue that TNP has seemed toxic towards and chased out certain players from its community, it's not just one region George. Also, would you enlighten us all to the GCRs XKI has sought to undermine? I haven't heard anything about it, unless you want to discuss the raider and imperialist GCRs that attack innocent regions? Also, we all admit Osi wasn't a smart move on anyone's part, defender or raider or imperialist.

Xeknos wrote:The only reasoning I can think of for Kuriko trying to distance herself from XKI while also trying to commend XKI is maybe she thinks they'll let her back in if the commendation passes? I dunno.

Silvedania wrote:

Xeknos wrote:The only reasoning I can think of for Kuriko trying to distance herself from XKI while also trying to commend XKI is maybe she thinks they'll let her back in if the commendation passes? I dunno.

Kuriko wasn't kicked out from XKI.

Nova Vandalia wrote:

Lenlyvit wrote:Anyone researching a resolution for a region should have access to said regions forum and Discord to seek information, otherwise they won't find what they are looking for and need.

I mean that's a bit misleading because we all know that's not the reason you got access to their stuff in the first place, it just happens to be a happy byproduct that fits your narrative and so that's why you're putting it forward. If you really want something like this to pass, but as I've said several times outspokenly I'm not a fan of XI and an unabashedly open about my bias, then I would offer it to someone else and co-sponsor. This way they would still have a chance of getting it,and would get rid of my bases for my current argumentative point, you don't need the badge, and it gives them their best chance.

Lenlyvit wrote:The XKI of 10 years ago was 1000 times worse than the XKI of today, and was commended twice. XKI has made leaps and bounds towards betterment of its community since Grub left, yet you're all afraid to admit that because you want to keep XKI as the defender boogeyman. I could argue that TNP has seemed toxic towards and chased out certain players from its community, it's not just one region George. Also, would you enlighten us all to the GCRs XKI has sought to undermine? I haven't heard anything about it, unless you want to discuss the raider and imperialist GCRs that attack innocent regions? Also, we all admit Osi wasn't a smart move on anyone's part, defender or raider or imperialist.

Just as an aside I'm not sure talking about XKI OOC toxicity should take place in this thread, before anyone opens that can of worms further, it will only diminish your unbiased objectivity that you claim to have in writing this. >.>

Xeknos wrote:

Silvedania wrote:Kuriko wasn't kicked out from XKI.

Then that makes this commend all the more baffling. That said, hard AGAINST because either the biased self-commend rule is in play, or it isn't.

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:The first half of the draft reads like fluff and filler to me. I really don’t see anything that’s commendable about the cultural events, the treaties etc.

The second half that focuses on TKI’s military work is much more meaty. I’m not yet convinced that TKI deserve a second shiny badge, but if it’s going to happen then more of the second half would help to do the trick.

Silvedania wrote:Again, Lenlyvit's alt Kuriko is no longer active in XKI. Lenlyvit keeps it alive because it is the WA thingamabob. Also, he isn't active on the Discord or Forums despite being on them.

(Also it might be more helpful if Kuriko was moved from XKI for a while to clear up confusion.)

Silvedania wrote:Again, Lenlyvit's alt Kuriko is no longer active in XKI. Lenlyvit keeps it alive because it is the WA thingamabob. Also, he isn't active on the Discord or Forums despite being on them.

(Also it might be more helpful if Kuriko was moved from XKI for a while to clear up confusion.)

Lenlyvit wrote:

The Security Council,

Recognizing the fact that 10000 Islands has been commended once before by this body through Security Council Resolution #30 (SCR#30), a resolution passed 11 years ago in order to recognize the regions outstanding contributions to the international community;

Believing that while at that time SCR#30 was detailed with information regarding the regions contributions, it didn't cover the breadth of accomplishments it could have in regards to their military missions as well as interregional influence and is now missing 11 years of further contributions towards the Multiverse;

Noting that over its 18 years of existence 10000 Islands has influenced multiple regions and their systems of government, being a model that other successful regions such as Yggdrasil and 00000 A World Power have used to build their own regional governments off of;

Emphasising the impact 10000 Islands has had on the interregional community due to their status as one of the top 10 largest regions in NationStates, a position they’ve held for well over the last 11 years with the majority of that spent having over 1,000 individual nations, through the following:

• Spreading interregional goodwill through opening embassies with regions that have various cultural focuses, such as International Democratic Union and Europe which focus on General Assembly matters, Greater Dienstad and The Western Isles which focus on storytelling and book authoring, and The Order of The Grey Wardens as well as Texas which focus on defending innocent communities.

• Bringing various regional cultures together through the creation and hosting of cultural events such as the Harry Potter and the Festival of Friendship as well as the Tea House of Cards event which celebrated international artwork in three major regions throughout NationStates.

Expanding upon the information regarding the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization provided in SCR#30 by giving a more in-depth description of their accomplishments that they have done over their last 18 years of existence:

• An extensive mission completion of over 3,500 missions in 18 years to help and protect innocent communities from raider aggression, 2,300 more missions since the passage of SCR#30.

• The advisory role taken on by the regional military command structure towards the innocent founderless regions, where they've advised regional governments on how to keep an eye out for raider nations embedded within the community in order to subvert the native will.

• The extensive role TITO has taken towards keeping innocent communities safe by assisting those communities in refounding their regions, such as regions like Deutschland, Australia, and France which have gone on to host successful and vibrant communities after achieving safety from raider aggression.

• The anti-fascist efforts undertaken by the organization in an effort to stamp out hateful ideologies, where the organization has deployed to fascist regions such as The NSIA and The Iron Confederacy to help eliminate ideologies that advocate for genocide and race inequality.

Thanking 10000 Islands and the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization for their many anti-coup efforts undertaken over the length of their existence within the NationStates Multiverse, which culminated in the ability for nations within the various Feeders and Sinkers they deployed to to choose their own systems of government. These efforts led to deployments within the regions of:

• The North Pacific during the attempted coup of 2004;

• The Rejected Realms in the 2 attempted coups of 2007 and the one attempted coup of 2010;

• The South Pacific during the now infamous Devonitions Coup of 2010, and

• Lazarus during the attempted 2015 coup;

• and The East Pacific during the most recent attempted coup of 2019.

Appreciating 10000 Islands' initiative to expand inclusion within World Assembly matters by the pioneering of a system dedicated towards encouraging WA authorship, created by the Taco Island Charities regional business to provide World Assembly authors with the regional currency of Tacos for writing, submitting, and passing resolutions within both houses of the World Assembly;

Hereby commends the region 10000 Islands.

Emphasising the impact 10000 Islands has had on the interregional community due to their status as one of the top 10 largest regions in NationStates, a position they’ve held for well over the last 11 years with the majority of that spent having over 1,000 individual nations

Spreading interregional goodwill through opening embassies with regions that have various cultural focuses, such as International Democratic Union and Europe which focus on General Assembly matters, Greater Dienstad and The Western Isles which focus on storytelling and book authoring, and The Order of The Grey Wardens as well as Texas which focus on defending innocent communities.

Expanding upon the information regarding the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization provided in SCR#30 by giving a more in-depth description of their accomplishments that they have done over their last 18 years of existence:

Thanking 10000 Islands and the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization for their many anti-coup efforts undertaken over the length of their existence within the NationStates Multiverse, which culminated in the ability for nations within the various Feeders and Sinkers they deployed to to choose their own systems of government. These efforts led to deployments within the regions of:

• The North Pacific during the attempted coup of 2004;

• The Rejected Realms in the 2 attempted coups of 2007 and the one attempted coup of 2010;

• The South Pacific during the now infamous Devonitions Coup of 2010, and

• Lazarus during the attempted 2015 coup;

• and The East Pacific during the most recent attempted coup of 2019.

Appreciating 10000 Islands' initiative to expand inclusion within World Assembly matters by the pioneering of a system dedicated towards encouraging WA authorship, created by the Taco Island Charities regional business to provide World Assembly authors with the regional currency of Tacos for writing, submitting, and passing resolutions within both houses of the World Assembly;

Hereby commends the region 10000 Islands.

Boston Castle wrote:Going down this one with some brief comments.
Maybe it's just me being "young" by NS standards, but when was Texas ever involved in military gameplay?

Comfed wrote:

Boston Castle wrote:Going down this one with some brief comments.
Maybe it's just me being "young" by NS standards, but when was Texas ever involved in military gameplay?

Texas was a defender region during the early days of NationStates, and even participated in the liberation of 10000 Islands before it had a founder and was just a tiny RP region.

Boston Castle wrote:

Comfed wrote:Texas was a defender region during the early days of NationStates, and even participated in the liberation of 10000 Islands before it had a founder and was just a tiny RP region.

Ah! That explains it! Wasn't aware of that.

Boston Castle wrote:Going down this one with some brief comments.

Lenlyvit wrote:The Security Council,

Recognizing the fact that 10000 Islands has been commended once before by this body through Security Council Resolution #30 (SCR#30), a resolution passed 11 years ago in order to recognize the regions outstanding contributions to the international community;

Believing that while at that time SCR#30 was detailed with information regarding the regions contributions, it didn't cover the breadth of accomplishments it could have in regards to their military missions as well as interregional influence and is now missing 11 years of further contributions towards the Multiverse;

Noting that over its 18 years of existence 10000 Islands has influenced multiple regions and their systems of government, being a model that other successful regions such as Yggdrasil and 00000 A World Power have used to build their own regional governments off of;

Emphasising the impact 10000 Islands has had on the interregional community due to their status as one of the top 10 largest regions in NationStates, a position they’ve held for well over the last 11 years with the majority of that spent having over 1,000 individual nations, through the following:

• Spreading interregional goodwill through opening embassies with regions that have various cultural focuses, such as International Democratic Union and Europe which focus on General Assembly matters, Greater Dienstad and The Western Isles which focus on storytelling and book authoring, and The Order of The Grey Wardens as well as Texas which focus on defending innocent communities.

Maybe it's just me being "young" by NS standards, but when was Texas ever involved in military gameplay?

Also, I think the whole "we're big and influential" part of that clause (everything after "community" through to "through") is just fluff.

Boston Castle wrote:

• Bringing various regional cultures together through the creation and hosting of cultural events such as the Harry Potter and the Festival of Friendship as well as the Tea House of Cards event which celebrated international artwork in three major regions throughout NationStates.

Expanding upon the information regarding the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization provided in SCR#30 by giving a more in-depth description of their accomplishments that they have done over their last 18 years of existence:

• An extensive mission completion of over 3,500 missions in 18 years to help and protect innocent communities from raider aggression, 2,300 more missions since the passage of SCR#30.

• The advisory role taken on by the regional military command structure towards the innocent founderless regions, where they've advised regional governments on how to keep an eye out for raider nations embedded within the community in order to subvert the native will.

• The extensive role TITO has taken towards keeping innocent communities safe by assisting those communities in refounding their regions, such as regions like Deutschland, Australia, and France which have gone on to host successful and vibrant communities after achieving safety from raider aggression.

• The anti-fascist efforts undertaken by the organization in an effort to stamp out hateful ideologies, where the organization has deployed to fascist regions such as The NSIA and The Iron Confederacy to help eliminate ideologies that advocate for genocide and race inequality.

There's an errant space between "Iron" and "Confederacy".

Boston Castle wrote:

Thanking 10000 Islands and the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization for their many anti-coup efforts undertaken over the length of their existence within the NationStates Multiverse, which culminated in the ability for nations within the various Feeders and Sinkers they deployed to to choose their own systems of government. These efforts led to deployments within the regions of:

• The North Pacific during the attempted coup of 2004;

• The Rejected Realms in the 2 attempted coups of 2007 and the one attempted coup of 2010;

• The South Pacific during the now infamous Devonitions Coup of 2010, and

• Lazarus during the attempted 2015 coup;

• and The East Pacific during the most recent attempted coup of 2019.

This whole section should probably be elaborated on more if possible. At the very least who they prevented from taking the Delegacy and approximate numbers, if it would be TITO-permissible to disclose.

Boston Castle wrote:

Appreciating 10000 Islands' initiative to expand inclusion within World Assembly matters by the pioneering of a system dedicated towards encouraging WA authorship, created by the Taco Island Charities regional business to provide World Assembly authors with the regional currency of Tacos for writing, submitting, and passing resolutions within both houses of the World Assembly;

Hereby commends the region 10000 Islands.

I believe the word most use is "chambers", not "houses", though if chambers breaks the rules then obviously go with the one that doesn't.

Moonfungus wrote:Hello, got some things here;

Emphasising the impact 10000 Islands has had on the interregional community due to their status as one of the top 10 largest regions in NationStates, a position they’ve held for well over the last 11 years with the majority of that spent having over 1,000 individual nations

I'm not exactly sure why this would be in a commendation, since region size is irrelevant in most C/C cases.

Moonfungus wrote:

Spreading interregional goodwill through opening embassies with regions that have various cultural focuses, such as International Democratic Union and Europe which focus on General Assembly matters, Greater Dienstad and The Western Isles which focus on storytelling and book authoring, and The Order of The Grey Wardens as well as Texas which focus on defending innocent communities.

I'm kinda confused; how does this spread interregional goodwill? And why is this in a commendation?

Moonfungus wrote:

Expanding upon the information regarding the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization provided in SCR#30 by giving a more in-depth description of their accomplishments that they have done over their last 18 years of existence:

Since you're writing a second commendation here, won't the last bit (the "over their last 18 years of existence" part) be "since the passing of SCR#30" or something to that effect?

Moonfungus wrote:

Thanking 10000 Islands and the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization for their many anti-coup efforts undertaken over the length of their existence within the NationStates Multiverse, which culminated in the ability for nations within the various Feeders and Sinkers they deployed to to choose their own systems of government. These efforts led to deployments within the regions of:

• The North Pacific during the attempted coup of 2004;

• The Rejected Realms in the 2 attempted coups of 2007 and the one attempted coup of 2010;

• The South Pacific during the now infamous Devonitions Coup of 2010, and

• Lazarus during the attempted 2015 coup;

• and The East Pacific during the most recent attempted coup of 2019.

Again, since you're writing a second commendation here, wouldn't it be better to focus on the things that happened after SCR#30 was passed?

Moonfungus wrote:

Appreciating 10000 Islands' initiative to expand inclusion within World Assembly matters by the pioneering of a system dedicated towards encouraging WA authorship, created by the Taco Island Charities regional business to provide World Assembly authors with the regional currency of Tacos for writing, submitting, and passing resolutions within both houses of the World Assembly;

Hereby commends the region 10000 Islands.

Minor nitpick probably, but I would've liked some fluff between these two clauses.

Overall, I think you can improve some things here? I would've liked some more information about what XKI has done on the civilian side of things in the first part. The second part looks solid to me. Good luck with the draft!

Outer Sparta wrote:A good start, but to go above and beyond the now-repealed SC30, you need to add some more info which there can be a lot you can add.

Wrapper wrote:

Outer Sparta wrote:A good start, but to go above and beyond the now-repealed SC30, you need to add some more info which there can be a lot you can add.

SC30 has not been repealed.

Outer Sparta wrote:

Wrapper wrote:SC30 has not been repealed.

Am I referencing the wrong one then? I know a prior commend of 10000 Islands is repealed but I probably got the resolution number wrong.