NATION

PASSWORD

[Draft] Commend 10000 Islands

A chamber dedicated to the dissemination of inter-regional peace and goodwill, via force if necessary.

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Lenlyvit
Diplomat
 
Posts: 956
Founded: Feb 13, 2012
Democratic Socialists

Postby Lenlyvit » Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:59 am

Nova Vandalia wrote:
Lenlyvit wrote:I'm not involved in XKI anymore.


Did you not just admit to having a nation there, still being on their forums and discord? Is your legacy not tied with theirs? Is writing a commendation for a region not "getting involved" by shoving them into a spotlight you have to defend and fight for? I mean last I checked most uninvolved people don't in fact have access to their forums or discords. Unless things have changes in which case I would like 1 access please.

And you really didn't stutter when you said ""If a member of a region writes a commendation for the region they're in, then that would be considered a self-commendation." to others. But obviously we should build in an exception for you?

But you know you're right it's "my" logic that is flawed.

Anyone researching a resolution for a region should have access to said regions forum and Discord to seek information, otherwise they won't find what they are looking for and need.

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:
Lenlyvit wrote:I would argue that the fact two other very successful regions modeled their government off of XKI, that they've extensively worked against feeder coups (including in TNP, where you are), that they've had a hand in multiple anti-fascist operations, and that they've continued protecting innocent regions for almost 18 years is warranting a second commendation.

And I would counter that XKI's long track record of attempting to undermine certain GCRs both publicly and privately, along with their unwarranted invasion of Osiris and the toxicity shown to a player who left XKI are all very good reasons why it might not even deserve one.

The XKI of 10 years ago was 1000 times worse than the XKI of today, and was commended twice. XKI has made leaps and bounds towards betterment of its community since Grub left, yet you're all afraid to admit that because you want to keep XKI as the defender boogeyman. I could argue that TNP has seemed toxic towards and chased out certain players from its community, it's not just one region George. Also, would you enlighten us all to the GCRs XKI has sought to undermine? I haven't heard anything about it, unless you want to discuss the raider and imperialist GCRs that attack innocent regions? Also, we all admit Osi wasn't a smart move on anyone's part, defender or raider or imperialist.

Edit: And no, I'm not calling TNP toxic. It's far from that.
Last edited by Lenlyvit on Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:02 am, edited 1 time in total.
Former Defender, now role play Imperialist. Join Archmont for a cool role play experience!


It's okay, I've been commended by the Security Council so you can trust me. Author of 17 Security Council Resolutions.

User avatar
The Notorious Mad Jack
Diplomat
 
Posts: 880
Founded: Nov 05, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:02 am

Lenlyvit wrote:
Nova Vandalia wrote:
Did you not just admit to having a nation there, still being on their forums and discord? Is your legacy not tied with theirs? Is writing a commendation for a region not "getting involved" by shoving them into a spotlight you have to defend and fight for? I mean last I checked most uninvolved people don't in fact have access to their forums or discords. Unless things have changes in which case I would like 1 access please.

And you really didn't stutter when you said ""If a member of a region writes a commendation for the region they're in, then that would be considered a self-commendation." to others. But obviously we should build in an exception for you?

But you know you're right it's "my" logic that is flawed.

Anyone researching a resolution for a region should have access to said regions forum and Discord to seek information, otherwise they won't find what they are looking for and need.

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:And I would counter that XKI's long track record of attempting to undermine certain GCRs both publicly and privately, along with their unwarranted invasion of Osiris and the toxicity shown to a player who left XKI are all very good reasons why it might not even deserve one.

The XKI of 10 years ago was 1000 times worse than the XKI of today, and was commended twice. XKI has made leaps and bounds towards betterment of its community since Grub left, yet you're all afraid to admit that because you want to keep XKI as the defender boogeyman.
Ok, so how about we repeal the first one and pass this one then? Since the XKI of 10 years ago was apparently so bad, there's no reason why that commendation should stand.
I could argue that TNP has seemed toxic towards and chased out certain players from its community, it's not just one region George.
Lol.
Also, would you enlighten us all to the GCRs XKI has sought to undermine?
I'll assume you haven't been part of XKI's government for... a year at least and give you the benefit of the doubt. But it's been pretty clear that XKI has engaged in anti-TNP actions for at least that long, bad-mouthing TNP both publicly and privately.
Also, we all admit Osi wasn't a smart move on anyone's part, defender or raider or imperialist.

This might be the first time anyone associated (or formerly associated, at least) with XKI has publicly said that.
Totally not MadJack, though I hear he's incredibly smart and handsome.

User avatar
Lenlyvit
Diplomat
 
Posts: 956
Founded: Feb 13, 2012
Democratic Socialists

Postby Lenlyvit » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:10 am

The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:
Lenlyvit wrote:Anyone researching a resolution for a region should have access to said regions forum and Discord to seek information, otherwise they won't find what they are looking for and need.


The XKI of 10 years ago was 1000 times worse than the XKI of today, and was commended twice. XKI has made leaps and bounds towards betterment of its community since Grub left, yet you're all afraid to admit that because you want to keep XKI as the defender boogeyman.
Ok, so how about we repeal the first one and pass this one then? Since the XKI of 10 years ago was apparently so bad, there's no reason why that commendation should stand.
I could argue that TNP has seemed toxic towards and chased out certain players from its community, it's not just one region George.
Lol.
Also, would you enlighten us all to the GCRs XKI has sought to undermine?
I'll assume you haven't been part of XKI's government for... a year at least and give you the benefit of the doubt. But it's been pretty clear that XKI has engaged in anti-TNP actions for at least that long, bad-mouthing TNP both publicly and privately.
Also, we all admit Osi wasn't a smart move on anyone's part, defender or raider or imperialist.

This might be the first time anyone associated (or formerly associated, at least) with XKI has publicly said that.

Glad I could surprise you on that. Anyways, yes there have been some tight tensions between TNP and XKI in recent years. I don't know of any anti-TNP actions other than closing the embassy though due to a drift apart in opinions, but I do know things have probably been said on both sides about both regions. Just because there's grumbling and differing opinions does not mean a region is trying to subvert TNP. Not all regions are going to relate, unfortunately.
Former Defender, now role play Imperialist. Join Archmont for a cool role play experience!


It's okay, I've been commended by the Security Council so you can trust me. Author of 17 Security Council Resolutions.

User avatar
Honeydewistania
Minister
 
Posts: 2762
Founded: Jun 09, 2017
Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby Honeydewistania » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:11 am

Ahaha, Ex Kay Eye bad, amirite
she/her
Managing Director of Lazarus and The MT Army Warrior
stuff i wrote
Need me? Click here!
Biggest acheivement: Spelling
Ambassador to the WA: Benji Schubert Hepperle
Assistant to the Ambassador: Rekeil Wrigglesworth II
Official Coffee-fetcher and Masseuse: Jonathan Santos de Oliveira
Wonderess wrote:frankly someone I don’t want to see gain influence in NS and by extension TNP

User avatar
Nova Vandalia
Envoy
 
Posts: 202
Founded: Jan 19, 2020
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Nova Vandalia » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:15 am

Lenlyvit wrote:Anyone researching a resolution for a region should have access to said regions forum and Discord to seek information, otherwise they won't find what they are looking for and need.



I mean that's a bit misleading because we all know that's not the reason you got access to their stuff in the first place, it just happens to be a happy byproduct that fits your narrative and so that's why you're putting it forward. If you really want something like this to pass, but as I've said several times outspokenly I'm not a fan of XI and an unabashedly open about my bias, then I would offer it to someone else and co-sponsor. This way they would still have a chance of getting it,and would get rid of my bases for my current argumentative point, you don't need the badge, and it gives them their best chance.

Lenlyvit wrote:The XKI of 10 years ago was 1000 times worse than the XKI of today, and was commended twice. XKI has made leaps and bounds towards betterment of its community since Grub left, yet you're all afraid to admit that because you want to keep XKI as the defender boogeyman. I could argue that TNP has seemed toxic towards and chased out certain players from its community, it's not just one region George. Also, would you enlighten us all to the GCRs XKI has sought to undermine? I haven't heard anything about it, unless you want to discuss the raider and imperialist GCRs that attack innocent regions? Also, we all admit Osi wasn't a smart move on anyone's part, defender or raider or imperialist.


Just as an aside I'm not sure talking about XKI OOC toxicity should take place in this thread, before anyone opens that can of worms further, it will only diminish your unbiased objectivity that you claim to have in writing this. >.>
Last edited by Nova Vandalia on Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:23 am, edited 2 times in total.
All rants and grunts are soley the opinion of Nova Vandalia and the not the opinion of those they're affiliated with.
^-^

User avatar
Xeknos
Bureaucrat
 
Posts: 44
Founded: Antiquity
Democratic Socialists

Postby Xeknos » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:45 am

The only reasoning I can think of for Kuriko trying to distance herself from XKI while also trying to commend XKI is maybe she thinks they'll let her back in if the commendation passes? I dunno.
Originally created in ~2004/2005, reactivated 2019. Nation beliefs largely reflect my own. Former RPer.
Founder of MPIC.

User avatar
Silvedania
Minister
 
Posts: 3149
Founded: Apr 17, 2020
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Silvedania » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:47 am

Xeknos wrote:The only reasoning I can think of for Kuriko trying to distance herself from XKI while also trying to commend XKI is maybe she thinks they'll let her back in if the commendation passes? I dunno.

Kuriko wasn't kicked out from XKI.
Silvedania, the majestic nation.
NS Stats are mostly accurate except for a few things, like this nation is capitalist and the death penalty isn't in effect

News:All trade with Crabaiaia and Pikala has stopped as diplomats meet in Trenaka.  Silvedanians are confused by Quentin Tarantulatino's new film, Seasonal Snackbox(This is a Bojack Horseman reference.) Weird song goes viral for making no sense.

Co-founder of LITA | Member of ICDN | Former Member of SETA | Member of IFTC | He/Him/His | Airport: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=493569#p37851012
Being president looks like the worst job in the world. -John Mulaney

User avatar
Xeknos
Bureaucrat
 
Posts: 44
Founded: Antiquity
Democratic Socialists

Postby Xeknos » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:49 am

Silvedania wrote:
Xeknos wrote:The only reasoning I can think of for Kuriko trying to distance herself from XKI while also trying to commend XKI is maybe she thinks they'll let her back in if the commendation passes? I dunno.

Kuriko wasn't kicked out from XKI.


Then that makes this commend all the more baffling. That said, hard AGAINST because either the biased self-commend rule is in play, or it isn't.
Originally created in ~2004/2005, reactivated 2019. Nation beliefs largely reflect my own. Former RPer.
Founder of MPIC.

User avatar
Lenlyvit
Diplomat
 
Posts: 956
Founded: Feb 13, 2012
Democratic Socialists

Postby Lenlyvit » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:56 am

Nova Vandalia wrote:
Lenlyvit wrote:Anyone researching a resolution for a region should have access to said regions forum and Discord to seek information, otherwise they won't find what they are looking for and need.



I mean that's a bit misleading because we all know that's not the reason you got access to their stuff in the first place, it just happens to be a happy byproduct that fits your narrative and so that's why you're putting it forward. If you really want something like this to pass, but as I've said several times outspokenly I'm not a fan of XI and an unabashedly open about my bias, then I would offer it to someone else and co-sponsor. This way they would still have a chance of getting it,and would get rid of my bases for my current argumentative point, you don't need the badge, and it gives them their best chance.

Lenlyvit wrote:The XKI of 10 years ago was 1000 times worse than the XKI of today, and was commended twice. XKI has made leaps and bounds towards betterment of its community since Grub left, yet you're all afraid to admit that because you want to keep XKI as the defender boogeyman. I could argue that TNP has seemed toxic towards and chased out certain players from its community, it's not just one region George. Also, would you enlighten us all to the GCRs XKI has sought to undermine? I haven't heard anything about it, unless you want to discuss the raider and imperialist GCRs that attack innocent regions? Also, we all admit Osi wasn't a smart move on anyone's part, defender or raider or imperialist.


Just as an aside I'm not sure talking about XKI OOC toxicity should take place in this thread, before anyone opens that can of worms further, it will only diminish your unbiased objectivity that you claim to have in writing this. >.>

If someone wants to come and take it after I'm done writing it in fine with that, you're right I don't need the badge.

Xeknos wrote:
Silvedania wrote:Kuriko wasn't kicked out from XKI.


Then that makes this commend all the more baffling. That said, hard AGAINST because either the biased self-commend rule is in play, or it isn't.

It isn't a self commend :roll: .
Former Defender, now role play Imperialist. Join Archmont for a cool role play experience!


It's okay, I've been commended by the Security Council so you can trust me. Author of 17 Security Council Resolutions.

User avatar
Silvedania
Minister
 
Posts: 3149
Founded: Apr 17, 2020
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Silvedania » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:58 am

Again, Lenlyvit's alt Kuriko is no longer active in XKI. Lenlyvit keeps it alive because it is the WA thingamabob. Also, he isn't active on the Discord or Forums despite being on them.

(Also it might be more helpful if Kuriko was moved from XKI for a while to clear up confusion.)
Silvedania, the majestic nation.
NS Stats are mostly accurate except for a few things, like this nation is capitalist and the death penalty isn't in effect

News:All trade with Crabaiaia and Pikala has stopped as diplomats meet in Trenaka.  Silvedanians are confused by Quentin Tarantulatino's new film, Seasonal Snackbox(This is a Bojack Horseman reference.) Weird song goes viral for making no sense.

Co-founder of LITA | Member of ICDN | Former Member of SETA | Member of IFTC | He/Him/His | Airport: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=493569#p37851012
Being president looks like the worst job in the world. -John Mulaney

User avatar
Bhang Bhang Duc
Minister
 
Posts: 2872
Founded: Dec 17, 2003
Democratic Socialists

Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:05 am

The first half of the draft reads like fluff and filler to me. I really don’t see anything that’s commendable about the cultural events, the treaties etc.

The second half that focuses on TKI’s military work is much more meaty. I’m not yet convinced that TKI deserve a second shiny badge, but if it’s going to happen then more of the second half would help to do the trick.
Former Delegate and Guardian of The West Pacific. TWP's Former Minister for World Assembly Affairs

The West Pacific's Official Welshman, Astronomer and Old Fart

Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

User avatar
Lenlyvit
Diplomat
 
Posts: 956
Founded: Feb 13, 2012
Democratic Socialists

Postby Lenlyvit » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:19 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:The first half of the draft reads like fluff and filler to me. I really don’t see anything that’s commendable about the cultural events, the treaties etc.

The second half that focuses on TKI’s military work is much more meaty. I’m not yet convinced that TKI deserve a second shiny badge, but if it’s going to happen then more of the second half would help to do the trick.

I intended the first half to be kind of an extension and further explanation of SCR#30, so it makes sense why it would read like that. If you have any ideas I'd like to hear them BBD, you're usually pretty good with ideas.

Edit: It's also intended to highlight XKI's history of bringing both the defender and role play community together as well.
Last edited by Lenlyvit on Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:23 am, edited 1 time in total.
Former Defender, now role play Imperialist. Join Archmont for a cool role play experience!


It's okay, I've been commended by the Security Council so you can trust me. Author of 17 Security Council Resolutions.

User avatar
Aeslann
Civil Servant
 
Posts: 9
Founded: Nov 13, 2020
New York Times Democracy

Postby Aeslann » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:26 am

Silvedania wrote:Again, Lenlyvit's alt Kuriko is no longer active in XKI. Lenlyvit keeps it alive because it is the WA thingamabob. Also, he isn't active on the Discord or Forums despite being on them.

(Also it might be more helpful if Kuriko was moved from XKI for a while to clear up confusion.)


I can back this.

User avatar
Lenlyvit
Diplomat
 
Posts: 956
Founded: Feb 13, 2012
Democratic Socialists

Postby Lenlyvit » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:32 am

Silvedania wrote:Again, Lenlyvit's alt Kuriko is no longer active in XKI. Lenlyvit keeps it alive because it is the WA thingamabob. Also, he isn't active on the Discord or Forums despite being on them.

(Also it might be more helpful if Kuriko was moved from XKI for a while to clear up confusion.)

Perhaps, but then I would lose my residency and 500,000+ influence on the nation. There's an inherent bias in everything we write, including commendations and condemnations. If my main nation and WA were in XKI I would say Nova is correct, but neither are there.
Former Defender, now role play Imperialist. Join Archmont for a cool role play experience!


It's okay, I've been commended by the Security Council so you can trust me. Author of 17 Security Council Resolutions.

User avatar
Boston Castle
Envoy
 
Posts: 329
Founded: Aug 21, 2020
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Boston Castle » Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:06 am

Going down this one with some brief comments.

Lenlyvit wrote:
The Security Council,

Recognizing the fact that 10000 Islands has been commended once before by this body through Security Council Resolution #30 (SCR#30), a resolution passed 11 years ago in order to recognize the regions outstanding contributions to the international community;

Believing that while at that time SCR#30 was detailed with information regarding the regions contributions, it didn't cover the breadth of accomplishments it could have in regards to their military missions as well as interregional influence and is now missing 11 years of further contributions towards the Multiverse;

Noting that over its 18 years of existence 10000 Islands has influenced multiple regions and their systems of government, being a model that other successful regions such as Yggdrasil and 00000 A World Power have used to build their own regional governments off of;

Emphasising the impact 10000 Islands has had on the interregional community due to their status as one of the top 10 largest regions in NationStates, a position they’ve held for well over the last 11 years with the majority of that spent having over 1,000 individual nations, through the following:

• Spreading interregional goodwill through opening embassies with regions that have various cultural focuses, such as International Democratic Union and Europe which focus on General Assembly matters, Greater Dienstad and The Western Isles which focus on storytelling and book authoring, and The Order of The Grey Wardens as well as Texas which focus on defending innocent communities.

Maybe it's just me being "young" by NS standards, but when was Texas ever involved in military gameplay?

Also, I think the whole "we're big and influential" part of that clause (everything after "community" through to "through") is just fluff.

• Bringing various regional cultures together through the creation and hosting of cultural events such as the Harry Potter and the Festival of Friendship as well as the Tea House of Cards event which celebrated international artwork in three major regions throughout NationStates.

Expanding upon the information regarding the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization provided in SCR#30 by giving a more in-depth description of their accomplishments that they have done over their last 18 years of existence:

• An extensive mission completion of over 3,500 missions in 18 years to help and protect innocent communities from raider aggression, 2,300 more missions since the passage of SCR#30.

• The advisory role taken on by the regional military command structure towards the innocent founderless regions, where they've advised regional governments on how to keep an eye out for raider nations embedded within the community in order to subvert the native will.

• The extensive role TITO has taken towards keeping innocent communities safe by assisting those communities in refounding their regions, such as regions like Deutschland, Australia, and France which have gone on to host successful and vibrant communities after achieving safety from raider aggression.

• The anti-fascist efforts undertaken by the organization in an effort to stamp out hateful ideologies, where the organization has deployed to fascist regions such as The NSIA and The Iron Confederacy to help eliminate ideologies that advocate for genocide and race inequality.

There's an errant space between "Iron" and "Confederacy".

Thanking 10000 Islands and the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization for their many anti-coup efforts undertaken over the length of their existence within the NationStates Multiverse, which culminated in the ability for nations within the various Feeders and Sinkers they deployed to to choose their own systems of government. These efforts led to deployments within the regions of:

The North Pacific during the attempted coup of 2004;

The Rejected Realms in the 2 attempted coups of 2007 and the one attempted coup of 2010;

The South Pacific during the now infamous Devonitions Coup of 2010, and

Lazarus during the attempted 2015 coup;

• and The East Pacific during the most recent attempted coup of 2019.

This whole section should probably be elaborated on more if possible. At the very least who they prevented from taking the Delegacy and approximate numbers, if it would be TITO-permissible to disclose.

Appreciating 10000 Islands' initiative to expand inclusion within World Assembly matters by the pioneering of a system dedicated towards encouraging WA authorship, created by the Taco Island Charities regional business to provide World Assembly authors with the regional currency of Tacos for writing, submitting, and passing resolutions within both houses of the World Assembly;

Hereby commends the region 10000 Islands.

I believe the word most use is "chambers", not "houses", though if chambers breaks the rules then obviously go with the one that doesn't.
Last edited by Boston Castle on Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:06 am, edited 1 time in total.
WA Ambassador: Avi Rosenborg
About Me-ish
The Castellian WA Delegation

Deputy Minister of World Assembly Affairs, The North Pacific
Views expressed not necessarily those of TNP and her government unless stated othewise.

User avatar
Moonfungus
Bureaucrat
 
Posts: 45
Founded: Feb 24, 2021
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Moonfungus » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:27 am

Hello, got some things here;
Emphasising the impact 10000 Islands has had on the interregional community due to their status as one of the top 10 largest regions in NationStates, a position they’ve held for well over the last 11 years with the majority of that spent having over 1,000 individual nations

I'm not exactly sure why this would be in a commendation, since region size is irrelevant in most C/C cases.
Spreading interregional goodwill through opening embassies with regions that have various cultural focuses, such as International Democratic Union and Europe which focus on General Assembly matters, Greater Dienstad and The Western Isles which focus on storytelling and book authoring, and The Order of The Grey Wardens as well as Texas which focus on defending innocent communities.

I'm kinda confused; how does this spread interregional goodwill? And why is this in a commendation?
Expanding upon the information regarding the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization provided in SCR#30 by giving a more in-depth description of their accomplishments that they have done over their last 18 years of existence:

Since you're writing a second commendation here, won't the last bit (the "over their last 18 years of existence" part) be "since the passing of SCR#30" or something to that effect?
Thanking 10000 Islands and the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization for their many anti-coup efforts undertaken over the length of their existence within the NationStates Multiverse, which culminated in the ability for nations within the various Feeders and Sinkers they deployed to to choose their own systems of government. These efforts led to deployments within the regions of:

• The North Pacific during the attempted coup of 2004;

• The Rejected Realms in the 2 attempted coups of 2007 and the one attempted coup of 2010;

• The South Pacific during the now infamous Devonitions Coup of 2010, and

• Lazarus during the attempted 2015 coup;

• and The East Pacific during the most recent attempted coup of 2019.

Again, since you're writing a second commendation here, wouldn't it be better to focus on the things that happened after SCR#30 was passed?
Appreciating 10000 Islands' initiative to expand inclusion within World Assembly matters by the pioneering of a system dedicated towards encouraging WA authorship, created by the Taco Island Charities regional business to provide World Assembly authors with the regional currency of Tacos for writing, submitting, and passing resolutions within both houses of the World Assembly;

Hereby commends the region 10000 Islands.

Minor nitpick probably, but I would've liked some fluff between these two clauses.

Overall, I think you can improve some things here? I would've liked some more information about what XKI has done on the civilian side of things in the first part. The second part looks solid to me. Good luck with the draft!
Nation does not represent real-life views
Currently residing in The South Pacific
Senior Warden in The Order of The Grey Wardens

User avatar
Comfed
Diplomat
 
Posts: 930
Founded: Apr 09, 2020
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Comfed » Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:20 pm

Boston Castle wrote:Going down this one with some brief comments.
Maybe it's just me being "young" by NS standards, but when was Texas ever involved in military gameplay?
Texas was a defender region during the early days of NationStates, and even participated in the liberation of 10000 Islands before it had a founder and was just a tiny RP region.
Mall:
Best part about being a mod was engaging in normal player behavior and getting accused of abuse
"You think this is abuse? I'll SHOW you abuse."
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:In the liberal justice system, raiding-based offenses are considered especially heinous. In The South Pacific, the dedicated defenders who investigate these vicious felonies are members of an elite squad known as the Council on Regional Security. These are their proscriptions. DUN DUN.

Numero Capitan wrote:I haven't bothered reading back but I can unequivocally say that I agree with everything HEM has said and Unibot is wrong

Put this in your sig if you passed biology and know that gender and sex are not the same thing.

User avatar
Boston Castle
Envoy
 
Posts: 329
Founded: Aug 21, 2020
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Boston Castle » Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:55 pm

Comfed wrote:
Boston Castle wrote:Going down this one with some brief comments.
Maybe it's just me being "young" by NS standards, but when was Texas ever involved in military gameplay?
Texas was a defender region during the early days of NationStates, and even participated in the liberation of 10000 Islands before it had a founder and was just a tiny RP region.

Ah! That explains it! Wasn't aware of that.
WA Ambassador: Avi Rosenborg
About Me-ish
The Castellian WA Delegation

Deputy Minister of World Assembly Affairs, The North Pacific
Views expressed not necessarily those of TNP and her government unless stated othewise.

User avatar
Great Algerstonia
Diplomat
 
Posts: 700
Founded: Mar 21, 2019
Father Knows Best State

Postby Great Algerstonia » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:54 pm

Against because I dont think regions should have two badges for the same subgame. For example I would support if a region got one gameplay and one roleplay commendations but not both for the same thing. Its nothing explicitly I have against XKI, just a general principle I have :p
I don't like sand.
If anything bad happens to you, blame COMMUNISM.

The Reformed American Republic wrote:I know I'm not a moderator, but can we please get back to white supremacy, not porn.

User avatar
Goobergunchia
Retired Moderator
 
Posts: 1763
Founded: Antiquity
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Goobergunchia » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:24 pm

Boston Castle wrote:
Comfed wrote:Texas was a defender region during the early days of NationStates, and even participated in the liberation of 10000 Islands before it had a founder and was just a tiny RP region.

Ah! That explains it! Wasn't aware of that.

OP's own Commend Texas has some more details, if you're interested. (Note that said resolution mentions the November 2003 10KI defense.)
(+5175 posts from mostly pre-Jolt)
Making NationStates a different place since 17 May 2003.
ADN Advisor
Nasicournian Officer
Citizen of the Rejected Realms
Discord: Goobergunch#2417
Sponsor, HR#22, SC#4
Member, UNOG
Rules: GA SC
Retired Forum Moderator
For your forum moderation needs: The Moderation Forum
For your in-game moderation needs: The Getting Help Page
What are the rules? See the OSRS.
Who are the mods, anyway?

"We're not fighting to have everybody think the way we do. We're fighting so that people can have the right to think what they want, even if they don't agree with us. Somewhere in the middle lies an agreeable solution. That's the democratic system. It ain't perfect, but it's the best we've got."

User avatar
Lenlyvit
Diplomat
 
Posts: 956
Founded: Feb 13, 2012
Democratic Socialists

Postby Lenlyvit » Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:47 am

Boston Castle wrote:Going down this one with some brief comments.

Lenlyvit wrote:The Security Council,

Recognizing the fact that 10000 Islands has been commended once before by this body through Security Council Resolution #30 (SCR#30), a resolution passed 11 years ago in order to recognize the regions outstanding contributions to the international community;

Believing that while at that time SCR#30 was detailed with information regarding the regions contributions, it didn't cover the breadth of accomplishments it could have in regards to their military missions as well as interregional influence and is now missing 11 years of further contributions towards the Multiverse;

Noting that over its 18 years of existence 10000 Islands has influenced multiple regions and their systems of government, being a model that other successful regions such as Yggdrasil and 00000 A World Power have used to build their own regional governments off of;

Emphasising the impact 10000 Islands has had on the interregional community due to their status as one of the top 10 largest regions in NationStates, a position they’ve held for well over the last 11 years with the majority of that spent having over 1,000 individual nations, through the following:

• Spreading interregional goodwill through opening embassies with regions that have various cultural focuses, such as International Democratic Union and Europe which focus on General Assembly matters, Greater Dienstad and The Western Isles which focus on storytelling and book authoring, and The Order of The Grey Wardens as well as Texas which focus on defending innocent communities.

Maybe it's just me being "young" by NS standards, but when was Texas ever involved in military gameplay?

Also, I think the whole "we're big and influential" part of that clause (everything after "community" through to "through") is just fluff.

Please read my responses both below and elsewhere in the thread, there's a reason I put certain things in my proposals.

Boston Castle wrote:
• Bringing various regional cultures together through the creation and hosting of cultural events such as the Harry Potter and the Festival of Friendship as well as the Tea House of Cards event which celebrated international artwork in three major regions throughout NationStates.

Expanding upon the information regarding the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization provided in SCR#30 by giving a more in-depth description of their accomplishments that they have done over their last 18 years of existence:

• An extensive mission completion of over 3,500 missions in 18 years to help and protect innocent communities from raider aggression, 2,300 more missions since the passage of SCR#30.

• The advisory role taken on by the regional military command structure towards the innocent founderless regions, where they've advised regional governments on how to keep an eye out for raider nations embedded within the community in order to subvert the native will.

• The extensive role TITO has taken towards keeping innocent communities safe by assisting those communities in refounding their regions, such as regions like Deutschland, Australia, and France which have gone on to host successful and vibrant communities after achieving safety from raider aggression.

• The anti-fascist efforts undertaken by the organization in an effort to stamp out hateful ideologies, where the organization has deployed to fascist regions such as The NSIA and The Iron Confederacy to help eliminate ideologies that advocate for genocide and race inequality.

There's an errant space between "Iron" and "Confederacy".

Thanks! I'll try to fix it.

Boston Castle wrote:
Thanking 10000 Islands and the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization for their many anti-coup efforts undertaken over the length of their existence within the NationStates Multiverse, which culminated in the ability for nations within the various Feeders and Sinkers they deployed to to choose their own systems of government. These efforts led to deployments within the regions of:

The North Pacific during the attempted coup of 2004;

The Rejected Realms in the 2 attempted coups of 2007 and the one attempted coup of 2010;

The South Pacific during the now infamous Devonitions Coup of 2010, and

Lazarus during the attempted 2015 coup;

• and The East Pacific during the most recent attempted coup of 2019.

This whole section should probably be elaborated on more if possible. At the very least who they prevented from taking the Delegacy and approximate numbers, if it would be TITO-permissible to disclose.

Not really sure if anyone has numbers, per se, but I can expand it with clauses from my Commend Texas resolution.

Boston Castle wrote:
Appreciating 10000 Islands' initiative to expand inclusion within World Assembly matters by the pioneering of a system dedicated towards encouraging WA authorship, created by the Taco Island Charities regional business to provide World Assembly authors with the regional currency of Tacos for writing, submitting, and passing resolutions within both houses of the World Assembly;

Hereby commends the region 10000 Islands.

I believe the word most use is "chambers", not "houses", though if chambers breaks the rules then obviously go with the one that doesn't.

I'll change that, yeah. Chambers sounds better.

Moonfungus wrote:Hello, got some things here;
Emphasising the impact 10000 Islands has had on the interregional community due to their status as one of the top 10 largest regions in NationStates, a position they’ve held for well over the last 11 years with the majority of that spent having over 1,000 individual nations

I'm not exactly sure why this would be in a commendation, since region size is irrelevant in most C/C cases.

Region size is relevant here. No other UCR has consistently stayed the size XKI has for so long, let alone for the vast majority of 11 years. Only three other UCRs have achieved a similar size, and none of those have consistently stayed over 1,000 nations let alone reached the same size XKI did twice of over 3,200 non-puppet nations.
Moonfungus wrote:
Spreading interregional goodwill through opening embassies with regions that have various cultural focuses, such as International Democratic Union and Europe which focus on General Assembly matters, Greater Dienstad and The Western Isles which focus on storytelling and book authoring, and The Order of The Grey Wardens as well as Texas which focus on defending innocent communities.

I'm kinda confused; how does this spread interregional goodwill? And why is this in a commendation?

How is this confusing? It's spreading interregional goodwill by bringing together various different types of communities. I could word it a bit better, which I might.

Moonfungus wrote:
Expanding upon the information regarding the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization provided in SCR#30 by giving a more in-depth description of their accomplishments that they have done over their last 18 years of existence:

Since you're writing a second commendation here, won't the last bit (the "over their last 18 years of existence" part) be "since the passing of SCR#30" or something to that effect?

No, I've explained this earlier in this thread. This proposal is to both expand upon and reach beyond SCR#30, tying into the past resolution.

Moonfungus wrote:
Thanking 10000 Islands and the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization for their many anti-coup efforts undertaken over the length of their existence within the NationStates Multiverse, which culminated in the ability for nations within the various Feeders and Sinkers they deployed to to choose their own systems of government. These efforts led to deployments within the regions of:

• The North Pacific during the attempted coup of 2004;

• The Rejected Realms in the 2 attempted coups of 2007 and the one attempted coup of 2010;

• The South Pacific during the now infamous Devonitions Coup of 2010, and

• Lazarus during the attempted 2015 coup;

• and The East Pacific during the most recent attempted coup of 2019.

Again, since you're writing a second commendation here, wouldn't it be better to focus on the things that happened after SCR#30 was passed?

See above.
Moonfungus wrote:
Appreciating 10000 Islands' initiative to expand inclusion within World Assembly matters by the pioneering of a system dedicated towards encouraging WA authorship, created by the Taco Island Charities regional business to provide World Assembly authors with the regional currency of Tacos for writing, submitting, and passing resolutions within both houses of the World Assembly;

Hereby commends the region 10000 Islands.

Minor nitpick probably, but I would've liked some fluff between these two clauses.

Overall, I think you can improve some things here? I would've liked some more information about what XKI has done on the civilian side of things in the first part. The second part looks solid to me. Good luck with the draft!

Thanks for the feedback! I hope my answers are satisfactory :)
Last edited by Lenlyvit on Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:51 am, edited 2 times in total.
Former Defender, now role play Imperialist. Join Archmont for a cool role play experience!


It's okay, I've been commended by the Security Council so you can trust me. Author of 17 Security Council Resolutions.

User avatar
Lenlyvit
Diplomat
 
Posts: 956
Founded: Feb 13, 2012
Democratic Socialists

Postby Lenlyvit » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:12 am

Okay, so I've added a third draft with the requested information as best as I could. The character count has tightened to 4,979 characters though, so I can't add much more.
Former Defender, now role play Imperialist. Join Archmont for a cool role play experience!


It's okay, I've been commended by the Security Council so you can trust me. Author of 17 Security Council Resolutions.

User avatar
Wrapper
Retired Moderator
 
Posts: 5939
Founded: Antiquity
New York Times Democracy

Postby Wrapper » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:29 am

Outer Sparta wrote:A good start, but to go above and beyond the now-repealed SC30, you need to add some more info which there can be a lot you can add.

SC30 has not been repealed.

User avatar
Outer Sparta
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11716
Founded: Dec 26, 2014
Democratic Socialists

Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:41 am

Wrapper wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:A good start, but to go above and beyond the now-repealed SC30, you need to add some more info which there can be a lot you can add.

SC30 has not been repealed.

Am I referencing the wrong one then? I know a prior commend of 10000 Islands is repealed but I probably got the resolution number wrong.
social democracy, environmental protection, universal healthcare, free college, social equality, LGBT, pro-choice,
GOP, corporate socialism, Trump, neoconservatism, white supremacy, extreme political views, corruption

User avatar
Lenlyvit
Diplomat
 
Posts: 956
Founded: Feb 13, 2012
Democratic Socialists

Postby Lenlyvit » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:45 am

Outer Sparta wrote:
Wrapper wrote:SC30 has not been repealed.

Am I referencing the wrong one then? I know a prior commend of 10000 Islands is repealed but I probably got the resolution number wrong.

SCR#5
Former Defender, now role play Imperialist. Join Archmont for a cool role play experience!


It's okay, I've been commended by the Security Council so you can trust me. Author of 17 Security Council Resolutions.

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to Security Council

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Crowheim

Advertisement

Remove ads