[PASSED] Commend Altmoras

[Quebecshire]

This is personally offensive to me. The Devil and hell represent literal evil in my eyes. I can't believe the WA would commend that region or that nation. Hard no. No now and forever. Never shall I vote for anything like this. NO. NO. NO. I cannot believe people think Satanism is cool or whatever. First the satan shoes and now this. Society has gone crazy. Long live the Catholic Church.

Cope more.

Long Live Altmoras.

This is gameplay. Not the real world. If you want to argue about Satan and Hell, go to NSG or something. In-game, in gameplay, that region and Altmoras have both made stellar contributions. Complaining about the name just serves as fodder for people to link each other to this for laughs.

[The Greater Tulsa Area]

This is personally offensive to me. The Devil and hell represent literal evil in my eyes. I can't believe the WA would commend that region or that nation. Hard no. No now and forever. Never shall I vote for anything like this. NO. NO. NO. I cannot believe people think Satanism is cool or whatever. First the satan shoes and now this. Society has gone crazy. Long live the Catholic Church.

Satanism is very cool actually, and Catholic church is mega lame.

[Outer Sparta]

Maybe their absence was due to them not wanting Altmoras having a commendation in the first place. Because why bother giving feedback if you don't want the nominee to succeed?

Oh no I apologize. I work full time IRL, I prioritize hanging out in my regions discord, and I enjoy getting outside now that the weathers nice. AS I said I have no issues with Altmoras, I even said look at me and saying "Why Altmoras" is valid. This just happened to be the time I noticed the issue. If it will help you not make accusation I'll gladly vote for this one and the next one to lack any really feelings comes up I'll bitch then. Would that satisfy you and free me from your pointless droning for when I do inevitable see another one?

How would you approach Altmoras and a commendation then? You said they aren't not commendable earlier.

[Fauxia]

This is really brilliant logic. If you throw out all the commendable stuff in the commendation, suddenly Altmoras doesn't seem commendable anymore!

Can I ask you what made my statement so hard to read for you? Because I very specifically said I don't know if the are commendable I didn't make that call.

So I'll admit to having simplified your arguments. But it irks me that you threw out N-Day, which is something with widespread participation from more than just GPers, as not worth mentioning, because you don't enjoy it. The Security Council does not revolve around you. Imagine if I came out against RP commendations because I don't enjoy RP on here. It'd be preposterous. I assure you, there are a fuckton more people who care about N-Day than about Karma (only saying that because it's your region, I don't know you or how involved you are, and it goes for just about any other UCR - even the small ones. And frankly, though to a lesser degree, GCRs as well). It takes months of planning and dedication and skill, and you do not just get to throw it out. Likewise, you don't get to throw out protecting a region like Hell - a region that's commend, for crying out loud.

I'm saying this doesn't display what makes Altmora special considering everyone and their mother has been commended for the exact sam ethings. It's no longer a stand out thing. You understand that, right? It's not special anymore. Dead-Eye, Roavin, BT, XKI, Markanite, Honeydew, Kuriko, Gray Harbor, Duxburian, Woonsocket, Paffnia, Xoriet, Frattastan, Guy ect. All of them for the same Defender stuff, while Altmoras own organization constantly spits the rhetoric about how "Easy" Defenderism is now, So if everyone is doing it and it's easy now is it really special? As for WAD well over half the people on that list had also been a WAD at some point, also being a WAD is equally condemnable, so is it special?

If you don't find long time dedication worth anything, I don't know what to tell you.

I mean, I agree the proposal leaves stuff to be desired. You wouldn't get from this that Alt is a fucking wizard at chasing (and, as we found out recently, banning people). But you do get the years of work here.

Tell me what they innovated!

I want to know what the hell differentiate Altmoras from all of those, what makes what they did not a immitation of them and what makes Altmoras's Acheivements in RD special compared to well the other dozens of folxs. Sorry if I'm the only one tired of rubber stamping commends. Tell me they're the accurate trigger in TGW , Telling me they planned all 3000 of those does in detail. How they tireless watched the activity feed for nights on end. Tell me they did a bunch of raids and calling it a day isn't cutting it anymore.

These things have been commended to hell by you folxs, to the point they're no longer commendable unless you explain why this person stands out. A Clover flower can be beautiful by itself, but stick a shit ton in a garden and it's just another weed. Show me the stand alone stuff.

EDIT: I also want to say that saying "Well why are you arguing it on this one then and not the last one" which is super valid, but the response is why not this one? Saying "I agree, but on the next time" we do it is super valid.

I'm just tired of saying that the calling the samething special when everyone is doing it is tiring, go way in depth or don't do it, and if it's is commendable despite that maybe don't have your org consistently down play how easy it is.

I agree with Refuge here, the standards exist specifically so that there is continuity. For the most part, the bar doesn't change. Defending is a difficult activity, with a lot of people involved, and only a portion of them get commended - even the good ones. It has a stronger impact on the world than other areas of the game. Defenders get commended because they deserve to get commended.

[Nova Vandalia]

Oh no I apologize. I work full time IRL, I prioritize hanging out in my regions discord, and I enjoy getting outside now that the weathers nice. AS I said I have no issues with Altmoras, I even said look at me and saying "Why Altmoras" is valid. This just happened to be the time I noticed the issue. If it will help you not make accusation I'll gladly vote for this one and the next one to lack any really feelings comes up I'll bitch then. Would that satisfy you and free me from your pointless droning for when I do inevitable see another one?

How would you approach Altmoras and a commendation then? You said they aren't not commendable earlier.

I already talked about this, and I didn't not say they were not commendable. I say I didn't know if they were, that says I'm not sure either way, but the resolution didn't make me "feel" like they were. I don't know being the important bit. I'd prefer it to be a little more emotive and narrative and actual explain to me why the things listed are important to someone who isn't really in the realm of R/D beyond again participating a handful of time. I don't know shit about Laz, but Python put this forward in front of people, that include me, someone who only recently got interested in GP. So I'm not going to hash that out again.

And No before someone makes the argument I'm not expecting a history lesson every time but some context wouldn't be met with derision.

Imagine if I came out against RP commendations because I don't enjoy RP on here.

Is a valid stance, because you don't think it merits intervention and judgment from the larger NS sphere, it's kind of the whole reason we have a voting process. I just don't get N-Day I'm sorry thats somehow my opinion has such a sway on you that it irks you. It's the shit part of everyone being able to vote and voice their opinion. It a day I actually avoid NS because everyone stop acting normal and focuses on it, so I'm just not here for it or Z-Day usually, so those days aren't important to me and sure they may be important to others and those others can vote for it. That's how it works.

Likewise, you don't get to throw out protecting a region like Hell - a region that's commend, for crying out lo

I mean I can and you can't stop me just to be contrarian XD, but again once someone actually sat down and explained it to me instead of doing what you're doing, I actually stated I was wrong and that it was was commendable. That the explanation HS gave as to why what they did matter, made me go OH!

If you don't find long time dedication worth anything, I don't know what to tell you.

I mean, I agree the proposal leaves stuff to be desired. You wouldn't get from this that Alt is a fucking wizard at chasing (and, as we found out recently, banning people). But you do get the years of work here.

Again I do find it worth something, but the word dedicated isn't used at all. And those number are meaningless to me because I don't what is impressive numbers for a defender because I ain't one. Telling me that they're a wizard at chasing is exciting and again once explained what those contributions actually explained in way that isn't numerical meaninglessness, I get it. That's exactly what I wanted it. Is that kind of emotion and awe, that been lacking, because I don't know what inspires awe in defender but I'm am expected to vote on it, gosh knows I get SC campaign TG's, so show me the AWE is all I'm asking.

And again after talking with HS who genuinely was willing to talk to me I had my mind swayed and yet you all are still here acting like I didn't?

[Fauxia]

How would you approach Altmoras and a commendation then? You said they aren't not commendable earlier.

I already talked about this, and I didn't not say they were not commendable. I say I didn't know if they were,

This conversation is making my head spin.

Imagine if I came out against RP commendations because I don't enjoy RP on here.

Is a valid stance, because you don't think it merits intervention and judgment from the larger NS sphere, it's kind of the whole reason we have a voting process. I just don't get N-Day I'm sorry thats somehow my opinion has such a sway on you that it irks you. It's the shit part of everyone being able to vote and voice their opinion. It a day I actually avoid NS because everyone stop acting normal and focuses on it, so I'm just not here for it or Z-Day usually, so those days aren't important to me and sure they may be important to others and those others can vote for it. That's how it works.

Of course you can not vote for it, but that doesn't mean not voting for it is reasonable. Part of the point of the SC is publicizing the accomplishments of people who wouldn't know about it otherwise. It is not reasonable to vote against simply because you don't play the game that way.

And again after talking with HS who genuinely was willing to talk to me I had my mind swayed and yet you all are still here acting like I didn't?

It wasn't clear to me that you had changed positions from HS' post, only that you had decided that Alt could be commended reasonably. I see from your nation page you voted for (at about the same time I made my post).

[Partnership for Sovereignty]

The Partnership for Sovereignty recommends a vote FOR "Commend Altmoras”: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1549862

[The Python]

This has passed!

For:11,982, 90.1%

Against:1,314, 9.9%

SC#354 Commend Altmoras on NS

[Outer Sparta]

Congrats to Altmoras for a deserving commendation and The Python for a well-written resolution.

[Honeydewistania]

Congrats, Altmoras.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Congrats to Altmoras for a deserving commendation and The Python for a well-written resolution.

What they said!

[Altmoras]

Thanks everybody, gotta say I wasn't expecting such widespread support