[WITHDRAWN]Commend Bruxxa (written by Cerata)

[Grishahakkaverchynot]

Usually commendable nominees are long-time gameplayers (most, examples: Roavin, Vippertooth33, Kuriko), or rarely, card farmers (example: 9003) or issues answerers with very high rankings (example: Kindjal).

Bruxxa is none of these.

In fact, the only notable things Bruxxa did is start the Saga of Bruxxa regional line.
The Tavern, which started the regional line, it's founder is a puppet of Bruxxa.
I am voting against if this makes it to vote (which it likely will)

[Outer Sparta]

Usually commendable nominees are long-time gameplayers (most, examples: Roavin, Vippertooth33, Kuriko), or rarely, card farmers (example: 9003) or issues answerers with very high rankings (example: Kindjal).

Bruxxa is none of these.

In fact, the only notable things Bruxxa did is start the Saga of Bruxxa regional line.
The Tavern, which started the regional line, it's founder is a puppet of Bruxxa.
I am voting against if this makes it to vote (which it likely will)

Sori posted earlier that the author sent an approval telegram to all delegates (which I assume they paid actual money to get the rubber stamper delegates to approve it) and part of it they said this: "The person I am commending is leaving NS and I want him to be happy and come back! :3! So please vote yes for it. It would mean the world to me."

According to the author's logic, we should commend everybody leaving NS to quote on quote "make them happy and come back."

[Sylh Alanor]

In fact, the only notable things Bruxxa did is start the Saga of Bruxxa regional line.
The Tavern, which started the regional line, it's founder is a puppet of Bruxxa.
I am voting against if this makes it to vote (which it likely will)

Sori posted earlier that the author sent an approval telegram to all delegates (which I assume they paid actual money to get the rubber stamper delegates to approve it) and part of it they said this: "The person I am commending is leaving NS and I want him to be happy and come back! :3! So please vote yes for it. It would mean the world to me."

According to the author's logic, we should commend everybody leaving NS to quote on quote "make them happy and come back."

I can verify they did not send it to all delegates, because I certainly never received a telegram from this person, lol.

[Outer Sparta]

Sori posted earlier that the author sent an approval telegram to all delegates (which I assume they paid actual money to get the rubber stamper delegates to approve it) and part of it they said this: "The person I am commending is leaving NS and I want him to be happy and come back! :3! So please vote yes for it. It would mean the world to me."

According to the author's logic, we should commend everybody leaving NS to quote on quote "make them happy and come back."

I can verify they did not send it to all delegates, because I certainly never received a telegram from this person, lol.

They probably knew that the big delegates won't approve it so they selectively sent it to those that would approval it in a heartbeat.

[Nooooooooooooooo]

Sori posted earlier that the author sent an approval telegram to all delegates (which I assume they paid actual money to get the rubber stamper delegates to approve it) and part of it they said this: "The person I am commending is leaving NS and I want him to be happy and come back! :3! So please vote yes for it. It would mean the world to me."

According to the author's logic, we should commend everybody leaving NS to quote on quote "make them happy and come back."

I can verify they did not send it to all delegates, because I certainly never received a telegram from this person, lol.

Maybe it was blocked by your settings

[Goobergunchia]

Usually commendable nominees are long-time gameplayers (most, examples: Roavin, Vippertooth33, Kuriko), or rarely, card farmers (example: 9003) or issues answerers with very high rankings (example: Kindjal).

I will note personally that I would view any long-time meritorious activity in NationStates (not excluded under Rule 3a) as commendable. We've commended roleplayers before and I hope we will again. Heck, there are Generalites that I'd theoretically support commendations for if it could be done under Rule 2.

But the key words there are both "long-time" and "in NationStates". For better or worse, service specific to a user-creator region (or group of regions) that a lot of us haven't heard of are not likely to rise to a game-wide impact that deserves recognition.

[Sylh Alanor]

Maybe it was blocked by your settings

This is news to the hundreds of campaign telegrams I've been getting about Scar (I don't block WA telegrams)

They probably knew that the big delegates won't approve it so they selectively sent it to those that would approval it in a heartbeat.

I-I'm a big delegate now? How flattering

[Outer Sparta]

Maybe it was blocked by your settings

This is news to the hundreds of campaign telegrams I've been getting about Scar (I don't block WA telegrams)

They probably knew that the big delegates won't approve it so they selectively sent it to those that would approval it in a heartbeat.

I-I'm a big delegate now? How flattering

At first I thought you were from one of those big regions lol

Anyway, the author definitely instead targeted the rubber-stamper delegates and thought a proposal like that would be sufficient enough to get their approvals.

[Lumio Magika]

Sori posted earlier that the author sent an approval telegram to all delegates (which I assume they paid actual money to get the rubber stamper delegates to approve it) and part of it they said this: "The person I am commending is leaving NS and I want him to be happy and come back! :3! So please vote yes for it. It would mean the world to me."

According to the author's logic, we should commend everybody leaving NS to quote on quote "make them happy and come back."

I can verify they did not send it to all delegates, because I certainly never received a telegram from this person, lol.

Same. I contacted my region's delegate, and he never received anything of the sort. I'd say that the proposal's author either didn't want a backwater like mine's approval (which would be inconsistent, based on their earlier statements of wanting delegate approvals), or they ran out of stamps before they could contact all the delegates.

[Lenlyvit]

I retire from NS for three months and come back to see this stuff being voted on in the SC? What happened to drafting and quality proposals?

[Jedinsto]

I retire from NS for three months and come back to see this stuff being voted on in the SC? What happened to drafting and quality proposals?

Campaign telegrams and rubber stamping delegates

[Outer Sparta]

I retire from NS for three months and come back to see this stuff being voted on in the SC? What happened to drafting and quality proposals?

Bandwagon jumping, badge hunting, rubber-stamper delegates, and excessive WA campaigning. With those four things, you can push a legal but terribly-written resolution through to vote (since you only need 61 delegates to approve, and there are lots of delegates from tiny regions that will gladly approve any resolution).

[Lenlyvit]

I retire from NS for three months and come back to see this stuff being voted on in the SC? What happened to drafting and quality proposals?

Bandwagon jumping, badge hunting, rubber-stamper delegates, and excessive WA campaigning. With those four things, you can push a legal but terribly-written resolution through to vote (since you only need 61 delegates to approve, and there are lots of delegates from tiny regions that will gladly approve any resolution).

Kind of annoying. This isn't the only proposal like this I saw get to vote either, there was at least one other. This proposal isn't anywhere near worthy of being voted upon. There's nothing commendable mentioned, nothing unique, and it's definitely too short. Guess I have to get back into this game and straighten the SC back out again.

[Outer Sparta]

Bandwagon jumping, badge hunting, rubber-stamper delegates, and excessive WA campaigning. With those four things, you can push a legal but terribly-written resolution through to vote (since you only need 61 delegates to approve, and there are lots of delegates from tiny regions that will gladly approve any resolution).

Kind of annoying. This isn't the only proposal like this I saw get to vote either, there was at least one other. This proposal isn't anywhere near worthy of being voted upon. There's nothing commendable mentioned, nothing unique, and it's definitely too short. Guess I have to get back into this game and straighten the SC back out again.

It's up to the voters to decide, but the flawed approval system means that any terrible proposal could come to a vote.

[Cerata]

In fact, the only notable things Bruxxa did is start the Saga of Bruxxa regional line.
The Tavern, which started the regional line, it's founder is a puppet of Bruxxa.
I am voting against if this makes it to vote (which it likely will)

Sori posted earlier that the author sent an approval telegram to all delegates (which I assume they paid actual money to get the rubber stamper delegates to approve it) and part of it they said this: "The person I am commending is leaving NS and I want him to be happy and come back! :3! So please vote yes for it. It would mean the world to me."

According to the author's logic, we should commend everybody leaving NS to quote on quote "make them happy and come back."

I didn't use telegram stamps. I used scripts.

[Outer Sparta]

Sori posted earlier that the author sent an approval telegram to all delegates (which I assume they paid actual money to get the rubber stamper delegates to approve it) and part of it they said this: "The person I am commending is leaving NS and I want him to be happy and come back! :3! So please vote yes for it. It would mean the world to me."

According to the author's logic, we should commend everybody leaving NS to quote on quote "make them happy and come back."

I didn't use telegram stamps. I used scripts.

Then why are you trying to push this crappy resolution through? You do realize that it's not well-written and that your only reason to commending your nominee is because "they're leaving NS and you want to make them happy" (it's your word against yours as stated earlier in the campaign telegrams you sent). By your logic, we should commend everybody solely because of that and not whether their achievements on the site stand out from the pack.

[Cerata]

I didn't use telegram stamps. I used scripts.

Then why are you trying to push this crappy resolution through? You do realize that it's not well-written and that your only reason to commending your nominee is because "they're leaving NS and you want to make them happy" (it's your word against yours as stated earlier in the campaign telegrams you sent). By your logic, we should commend everybody solely because of that and not whether their achievements on the site stand out from the pack.

deleted. I'm gonna work on a new draft when I get the chance.

[Tinhampton]

Perhaps incredibly, no less than three different countercampaigns have been sent against this proposal over the past one-and-a-half days. The first was sent by The Python at 20:11:20 GMT on Thursday (tag:api):

Hello delegate %NATION%,

You seem to have approved the proposal Commend Bruxxa. I am countercampaigning as this will simply waste 3 days of the SC's time. The arguments made do not support a commendation for Bruxxa, this was not even drafted on the SC forum as most other resolutions are. Following the amount of joke proposals that have gone to vote lately, I ask you to unapprove the proposal Commend Bruxxa.

Thank you!

Python ^-^

Then the second by Lenlyvit at 19:30:47 GMT on Friday (sent to all approving delegates using stamps):

Greetings, World Assembly Delegate's. If you are receiving this it is because you've approves a proposal in the Security Council named Commend Bruxxa. This proposal contains no specifics on why the nominee is commendable, and it is so short as to be almost laughable. There was no forum drafting to make the proposal better not was there any attempt to write a well written and succinct resolution.

I am telegramming you to ask you to withdraw your support of this resolution, as I do not believe it's worthy of being voted upon for four days of the SC's time. So please, if you get a chance remove your approval.

Thank you,
Lenlyvit
WA Security Council author

And the third (and final???) one by Comfed around 01:30 GMT on Saturday (using tag:template):

Hello, honourable World Assembly Delegate %NATION%!

I have noticed that you approved the Security Council proposal, Commend Bruxxa. I advise you to withdraw your approval. Upon inspection it becomes clear that the proposal is terrible and the nominee is not commendable.

"NOTING that this nation contributed greatly to many diplomatically powerful and peaceful regions, including the now-defunct The Tavern and The Vincence Empire as well as contributing to many others;"
How did they contribute? And what other regions? This line suffers from virtually no detail, and certainly does not convince one of anything commendable.

"CONSIDERING that artwork from this nation was once greatly prized, sometimes exchanging hands for hundreds of standard-momentary units, showing that this nation is well trusted and believed in;"
This comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of how card value works. See, people do this thing called a "bank transfer" where they sell a card from their main nation to a puppet for a lot of bank (the NS trading cards currency) so the main nation can have the bank. This is the only way to transfer bank, as there's no function to just give it. This usually results in the inflation of the card's market value, it's not an indication that the artwork was valued. In fact, it's the opposite - bank transfers are usually done on cards with very few owners, for reasons beyond the scope of this telegram. For more info please read this.
Whatever the case, it's nothing that Bruxxa did. Not commendable

"FURTHER NOTING that this nation has been passive, peaceful, and diplomatically strong on all fronts, contributing to interregional peace;"
How? What have they done? This clause doesn't have enough details.

%NATION%, I encourage you to withdraw your approval of Commend Bruxxa. It's not even remotely detailed enough, features factual inaccuracies, and does not persuade that the nominee is commendable.

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You would imagine that an exceedingly short proposal with a remarkably pithy campaign telegram to match would only require one good counter-campaign to knock it out of queue but it apparently took something else...

3 minutes ago: The Free baguette land of Cerata withdrew a proposal from the WA Security Council titled "Commend Bruxxa".

I will, of course , support Cerata in their continuing venture to Commend Bruxxa.

[Outer Sparta]

Then why are you trying to push this crappy resolution through? You do realize that it's not well-written and that your only reason to commending your nominee is because "they're leaving NS and you want to make them happy" (it's your word against yours as stated earlier in the campaign telegrams you sent). By your logic, we should commend everybody solely because of that and not whether their achievements on the site stand out from the pack.

deleted. I'm gonna work on a new draft when I get the chance.

I'll give you credit where it's due: you withdrew the proposal. Although I don't believe Bruxxa deserves any sort of SC recognition given they haven't done much to stand out on this site (and I believe you should abandon it and perhaps work on a different nominee), you could at least make your draft stronger to garner a bit more support. Make sure to post it on a separate thread if you wish to draft.

[Lumio Magika]

I will, of course , support Cerata in their continuing venture to Commend Bruxxa.

TIN \o/

As much as I wish to see Cerata succeed, I do not believe it will happen through a commendation of this particular individual. Just from the information gathered from this thread alone, It is highly unlikely that Bruxxa has done nearly enough to deserve a commendation, and I do not see this changing for a very long while.

[Outer Sparta]

I will, of course , support Cerata in their continuing venture to Commend Bruxxa.

TIN \o/

As much as I wish to see Cerata succeed, I do not believe it will happen through a commendation of this particular individual. Just from the information gathered from this thread alone, It is highly unlikely that Bruxxa has done nearly enough to deserve a commendation, and I do not see this changing for a very long while.

Normally my basis for determining support on SC drafts is whether or not it's well-written and fundamentally, whether or not the nominee is commendable/condemnable. If the nominee is commendable/condemnable, then the resolution has to do a good job persuading people to support it.

[Nooooooooooooooo]

"CONSIDERING that artwork from this nation was once greatly prized, sometimes exchanging hands for hundreds of standard-momentary units, showing that this nation is well trusted and believed in;"
This comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of how card value works. See, people do this thing called a "bank transfer" where they sell a card from their main nation to a puppet for a lot of bank (the NS trading cards currency) so the main nation can have the bank. This is the only way to transfer bank, as there's no function to just give it. This usually results in the inflation of the card's market value, it's not an indication that the artwork was valued. In fact, it's the opposite - bank transfers are usually done on cards with very few owners, for reasons beyond the scope of this telegram. For more info please read this.
Whatever the case, it's nothing that Bruxxa did. Not commendable

Actually, that isn't the case. The reason people sold it for 100 bank was because everyone saw him as great and then inflated the card, instead of a bank transfer. This dispatch has more information.

[Outer Sparta]

"CONSIDERING that artwork from this nation was once greatly prized, sometimes exchanging hands for hundreds of standard-momentary units, showing that this nation is well trusted and believed in;"
This comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of how card value works. See, people do this thing called a "bank transfer" where they sell a card from their main nation to a puppet for a lot of bank (the NS trading cards currency) so the main nation can have the bank. This is the only way to transfer bank, as there's no function to just give it. This usually results in the inflation of the card's market value, it's not an indication that the artwork was valued. In fact, it's the opposite - bank transfers are usually done on cards with very few owners, for reasons beyond the scope of this telegram. For more info please read this.
Whatever the case, it's nothing that Bruxxa did. Not commendable

Actually, that isn't the case. The reason people sold it for 100 bank was because everyone saw him as great and then inflated the card, instead of a bank transfer. This dispatch has more information.

Do you still believe Bruxxa to be commendable?

[Nooooooooooooooo]

Actually, that isn't the case. The reason people sold it for 100 bank was because everyone saw him as great and then inflated the card, instead of a bank transfer. This dispatch has more information.

Do you still believe Bruxxa to be commendable?

It's hard to say, but I think that Bruxxa is commendable, but not right now.

[Outer Sparta]

Do you still believe Bruxxa to be commendable?

It's hard to say, but I think that Bruxxa is commendable, but not right now.

Any goodwill they do is largely limited to local or regional affairs, which is why I don't believe they are remotely commendable.