Security Council Proposal to Condemn The Communist Bloc

[Kazakhstan 3]

Serious question here, does my glorious resolution come to vote next or after the other condemnation?

[Tinhampton]

Serious question here, does my glorious resolution come to vote next or after the other condemnation?

Immediately after Commend Roavin (since your proposal was submitted first).

[Kazakhstan 3]

Perfect, the WA will understand the will of the silent majority in a few hours.

[Outer Sparta]

Perfect, the WA will understand the will of the silent majority in a few hours.

More like the loud minority with you and a few other anti-communists shouting with a megaphone for no apparent reason other than to advance your anti-communist agenda.

[Daarwyrth]

Perfect, the WA will understand the will of the silent majority in a few hours.

I'm really curious how you'll react to the moment when there will be one giant bar screaming 'against" under your "proposal".

[Kazakhstan 3]

Quite frankly I would be confident this bill would pass in a 1 for 1 vote situation, but the tyranny of the WA voting system give opportunity for WA delegates to skew votes and harm democracy. I think all WA delegates should abstain or vote for the cause.

[SkillCrossbones]

Seeing as we're rubber-stamping this sort of thing now, when this is over could you do another condemnation targeting my region? We're a bunch of avowed leftists and I know the residents would really love to be condemned.

[Daarwyrth]

Quite frankly I would be confident this bill would pass in a 1 for 1 vote situation, but the tyranny of the WA voting system give opportunity for WA delegates to skew votes and harm democracy. I think all WA delegates should abstain or vote for the cause.

I suggest you read your last words. Those sound rather tyrannical and despotic: "you should either abstain or vote for my "proposal", but you can't vote against". You shouldn't speak of democracy if you fail to practice it yourself.

[Kazakhstan 3]

I have considered my words deeply. I came to the ultimate decision that if an abused system gives me the power to make it less abused I should take it. Condemning TCB is my ultimate goal and if that means temporarily sacrificing democracy (for the purpose of making NS more democratic in the future) then so be it.

[Pajonia]

I have considered my words deeply. I came to the ultimate decision that if an abused system gives me the power to make it less abused I should take it. Condemning TCB is my ultimate goal and if that means temporarily sacrificing democracy (for the purpose of making NS more democratic in the future) then so be it.

If that is your goal, why have you refused to listen to any amount of criticism? Everyone in here, even people that think we SHOULD be condemned, is telling you that the proposal is trash. Surely, if you wanted to condemn TCB so badly, you would want to make your proposal better?

I also don't think you understand how rich it is that you just admitted you're willing to "temporarily sacrifice democracy" to go against the will of the people to enact your agenda.

[Scalizagasti]

If you disagree, you are welcome to vote against it if it comes to discussion

Will do.

[Kazakhstan 3]

Seeing as we're rubber-stamping this sort of thing now, when this is over could you do another condemnation targeting my region? We're a bunch of avowed leftists and I know the residents would really love to be condemned.

Unfortunately your nation is too far down the list of tyranny to target as of yet. I also have not done research into your tyranny (though if you truly are as left leaning as TCB I'm sure their is some). However you are welcome to condemn yourself.

[Kazakhstan 3]

I have considered my words deeply. I came to the ultimate decision that if an abused system gives me the power to make it less abused I should take it. Condemning TCB is my ultimate goal and if that means temporarily sacrificing democracy (for the purpose of making NS more democratic in the future) then so be it.

If that is your goal, why have you refused to listen to any amount of criticism? Everyone in here, even people that think we SHOULD be condemned, is telling you that the proposal is trash. Surely, if you wanted to condemn TCB so badly, you would want to make your proposal better?

I also don't think you understand how rich it is that you just admitted you're willing to "temporarily sacrifice democracy" to go against the will of the people to enact your agenda.

Are you kidding me!!! I just advocated for the will of the people over the will of WA delegates. TCB's long and unhelpful rants are not the will of the people.

[Scalizagasti]

Are you kidding me!!! I just advocated for the will of the people over the will of WA delegates. TCB's long and unhelpful rants are not the will of the people.

Pray tell, who elects the WA delegates?

[Kazakhstan 3]

Are you kidding me!!! I just advocated for the will of the people over the will of WA delegates. TCB's long and unhelpful rants are not the will of the people.

Pray tell, who elects the WA delegates?

funny you should mention that because WA delegates are endorsed solely by WA members and it is not based of a majority (51%) election but an ongoing battle for WA delegacy. It is not an election, it is not equal or fair representation, and the amount of power strong regions WA delegates have is immoral and undemocratic.

[Orca and Narwhal]

I'm looking forward to this proposal coming to a vote so that I will be able to vote against it

[Daarwyrth]

Pray tell, who elects the WA delegates?

funny you should mention that because WA delegates are endorsed solely by WA members and it is not based of a majority (51%) election but an ongoing battle for WA delegacy. It is not an election, it is not equal or fair representation, and the amount of power strong regions WA delegates have is immoral and undemocratic.

Many regions hold elections for who should be the WA delegate. As with everything else so far, you are misinformed.

[Quebecshire]

funny you should mention that because WA delegates are endorsed solely by WA members and it is not based of a majority (51%) election but an ongoing battle for WA delegacy. It is not an election, it is not equal or fair representation, and the amount of power strong regions WA delegates have is immoral and undemocratic.

Has it occurred to you that big regions delegates' have more power because they represent more WA members that endorse them?

[Outer Sparta]

Pray tell, who elects the WA delegates?

funny you should mention that because WA delegates are endorsed solely by WA members and it is not based of a majority (51%) election but an ongoing battle for WA delegacy. It is not an election, it is not equal or fair representation, and the amount of power strong regions WA delegates have is immoral and undemocratic.

You echo a lot of sentiments from CCD as they think the WA is corrupt.

[Scalizagasti]

funny you should mention that because WA delegates are endorsed solely by WA members and it is not based of a majority (51%) election but an ongoing battle for WA delegacy. It is not an election, it is not equal or fair representation, and the amount of power strong regions WA delegates have is immoral and undemocratic.

Nothing is stopping a non-WA nation from joining the WA, unless they're a puppet of another WA nation. If a thousand people endorse the delegate of The North Pacific, how is it 'undemocratic' that they more influence? No one is forcing them at gunpoint to endorse the delegate, if they don't like it they can go to another region.

[Sodoran Alesia]

Pray tell, who elects the WA delegates?

funny you should mention that because WA delegates are endorsed solely by WA members and it is not based of a majority (51%) election but an ongoing battle for WA delegacy. It is not an election, it is not equal or fair representation, and the amount of power strong regions WA delegates have is immoral and undemocratic.

Interesting, it's actually a bit like an on-site democracy with the person with the most world assembly endorsements becoming delegate, many regions (like the feeders, sinkers, and large UCRs) often have a democratic process by which a new delegate is chosen and they also have procedures decided by the region as to how the delegate will vote on a proposal. TCB in fact has a democratic procedure by which we vote on proposals, but of course you're not interested in the facts are you?

[Kavagrad]

Quite frankly I would be confident this bill would pass in a 1 for 1 vote situation, but the tyranny of the WA voting system give opportunity for WA delegates to skew votes and harm democracy. I think all WA delegates should abstain or vote for the cause.

If your silent majority were a majority, instead of a loud minority of 1, they'd elect people that support proposals like yours to their WA Delegate roles.

Of course, you did not consider this, because this is actually about you getting excuses in early for when this proposal gets stomped.

[Goraria]

I doubt that this proposal would go through.

[Jedinsto]

Quite frankly I would be confident this bill would pass in a 1 for 1 vote situation, but the tyranny of the WA voting system give opportunity for WA delegates to skew votes and harm democracy. I think all WA delegates should abstain or vote for the cause.

I've been reading back through this thread, and I came across this. Who in the blue hell do you think chooses the delegates? The WA nations of a region, that's what. When this goes to vote, you will see more individual nations, meaning NOT delegates, vote against than for, in fact you might have more individual nations alone vote against, than total votes including delegates for. WA delegates represent people. They represent their views, to a degree. If there is some "silent majority," it will exist in the delegacies too. When that bar screams "against," you'll feel incredibly dumb.

[Jedinsto]

Seeing as we're rubber-stamping this sort of thing now, when this is over could you do another condemnation targeting my region? We're a bunch of avowed leftists and I know the residents would really love to be condemned.

Unfortunately your nation is too far down the list of tyranny to target as of yet. I also have not done research into your tyranny (though if you truly are as left leaning as TCB I'm sure their is some). However you are welcome to condemn yourself.

Based on your "proposal" and the fact that you have 9 million citizens, it doesn't seem you've done any research into any tyranny.