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Postby Refuge Isle » Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:21 am

Kazakhstan 3 wrote:
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Good job with the zero effort one liner! Now you've got your buddies wasting money on it lol Regardless, this will die in queue. At least the last person to attempt to condemn us for our ideology was a little more creative, you on the other hand are the pinnacle of laziness and obstinance in refusing to listen to any suggestions.


I will take constructive criticism when I see fit. If you feel that my resolution is not sufficient in this issue, feel free to right your own. If you disagree with me because you are a member of TCB begone. I wish not to speak with such mannical authoritarians when it can be avoided.

Reminder that you have been given reasonably straightforward constructive feedback on how to become a Security Council resolution author:

viewtopic.php?p=38408219#p38408219
viewtopic.php?p=38408378#p38408378

One can only be pointed towards water, however.
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Postby Team Lennox » Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:50 am

First the proposal is only two lines
Second, there is a grammatical error in here, innacuracies, ranting about an RP ideology, and the condemnation is gunna make TCB happy (people take condemn badges as badges of honor)
Third if you want to draft on the SC forums, DONT submit it before drafting it
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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:12 am

Refuge Isle wrote:
Kazakhstan 3 wrote:
I will take constructive criticism when I see fit. If you feel that my resolution is not sufficient in this issue, feel free to right your own. If you disagree with me because you are a member of TCB begone. I wish not to speak with such mannical authoritarians when it can be avoided.

Reminder that you have been given reasonably straightforward constructive feedback on how to become a Security Council resolution author:

viewtopic.php?p=38408219#p38408219
viewtopic.php?p=38408378#p38408378

One can only be pointed towards water, however.

It's clear the author will never listen since they are ideologically-motivated to condemn TCB because they hate communism.
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Postby Daarwyrth » Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:18 am

Kazakhstan 3 wrote:Glad to see the tcb has responded to my warrants, I will continue to keep up the good fight.

The thing is, you're not even fighting the good fight. You're fighting your fight, which is definitely anything but good. You have based this entire proposal on nothing else other than your highly subjective viewpoint on communism, without providing any factual information. If you want to convince other people to support your resolution, YOU are the one that needs to provide the evidence. YOU are responsible for giving the arguments to support your claims. You have provided nothing else other than subjective, highly biased vapor which can easily be waved out of existence.

This proposal is bad, plain and simple.
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Postby Kazakhstan 3 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:51 am

Dear Heated Debaters,
I would like to clarify, I am not doing this for some sort of "badge". In fact, when I originally wrote this proposal I was unaware that there even was a badge for writing a security council proposal and getting it to vote. I wrote this bill to challenge the notion that condemning is a "badge of honor" and to put a tyrannical regime in its place. The forum is not to edit my bill but to raise awareness for the cause. I appreciate how many people have noticed and responded to my output (although some have been negative) everyone's voice deserves to be heard. For that reason I created this forum. I was not looking for criticism especially unconstructive ones from TCB members. That being said I will not silence any of you, but if your only goal is to antagonize me and attempt to convince me to repeal my proposal you might as well give up and go home.

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Postby Comfed » Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:22 am

Your proposal is a bunch of flat-out lies. It doesn’t even begin to approach SC standards. Do your research before you write proposals.
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Postby Kazakhstan 3 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:38 am

Comfed wrote:Your proposal is a bunch of flat-out lies. It doesn’t even begin to approach SC standards. Do your research before you write proposals.


That’s laughable, three moderators have said the exact opposite by legalizing my proposal. It clearly does meet the sc standards. As for lying, everything I wrote was previously discussed with members of TCB who choose to remain unnamed. Just because my proposal is unique doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

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Postby Comfed » Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:45 am

Kazakhstan 3 wrote:
Comfed wrote:Your proposal is a bunch of flat-out lies. It doesn’t even begin to approach SC standards. Do your research before you write proposals.


That’s laughable, three moderators have said the exact opposite by legalizing my proposal. It clearly does meet the sc standards. As for lying, everything I wrote was previously discussed with members of TCB who choose to remain unnamed. Just because my proposal is unique doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

There is no rule against lying in SC proposals. And legal does not mean good. It means “not going to be deleted”
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Numero Capitan wrote:I haven't bothered reading back but I can unequivocally say that I agree with everything HEM has said and Unibot is wrong

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Postby The Dodo Republic » Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:48 am

Id vote to condem. Former member here on a new account and yea......... Condem

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Postby Kazakhstan 3 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:50 am

Legal means it meets the SC standards!!! I don’t know what sudo-rules you are talking about but when referring to the SC standards my proposal absolutely meets them.

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Postby Kazakhstan 3 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:51 am

The Dodo Republic wrote:Id vote to condem. Former member here on a new account and yea......... Condem

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Postby Daarwyrth » Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:55 am

Kazakhstan 3 wrote:Dear Heated Debaters,
I would like to clarify, I am not doing this for some sort of "badge". In fact, when I originally wrote this proposal I was unaware that there even was a badge for writing a security council proposal and getting it to vote. I wrote this bill to challenge the notion that condemning is a "badge of honor" and to put a tyrannical regime in its place. The forum is not to edit my bill but to raise awareness for the cause. I appreciate how many people have noticed and responded to my output (although some have been negative) everyone's voice deserves to be heard. For that reason I created this forum. I was not looking for criticism especially unconstructive ones from TCB members. That being said I will not silence any of you, but if your only goal is to antagonize me and attempt to convince me to repeal my proposal you might as well give up and go home.

Sincerely,
The glorious democratic republic of Kazakhstan 3

It's not like your proposal is going to reach quorum so... don't expect anything significant to happen. You're not raising any awareness, you're sadly putting yourself in a situation where you draw more ridicule and ire than accomplish any lasting change. I'm not telling you to withdraw your "proposal", because you won't listen to reason anyway, but my advice is: don't keep your hopes up if this is the proposal that you insist on keeping, because if the proposal stays as it is, it will continue to be negatively criticised for a few days, and then be forever forgotten.
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Postby Pluvie » Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:57 am

Kazakhstan 3 wrote:sudo-rules

That’s pseudo-rules, sudo is a computer program that does some fancy stuff that I don’t understand :p
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Postby Daarwyrth » Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:58 am

Kazakhstan 3 wrote:Legal means it meets the SC standards!!! I don’t know what sudo-rules you are talking about but when referring to the SC standards my proposal absolutely meets them.

Nope, please read the rules, because you clearly didn't do that.
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Postby Monkchester » Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:58 am

Daarwyrth wrote:
Kazakhstan 3 wrote:Dear Heated Debaters,
I would like to clarify, I am not doing this for some sort of "badge". In fact, when I originally wrote this proposal I was unaware that there even was a badge for writing a security council proposal and getting it to vote. I wrote this bill to challenge the notion that condemning is a "badge of honor" and to put a tyrannical regime in its place. The forum is not to edit my bill but to raise awareness for the cause. I appreciate how many people have noticed and responded to my output (although some have been negative) everyone's voice deserves to be heard. For that reason I created this forum. I was not looking for criticism especially unconstructive ones from TCB members. That being said I will not silence any of you, but if your only goal is to antagonize me and attempt to convince me to repeal my proposal you might as well give up and go home.

Sincerely,
The glorious democratic republic of Kazakhstan 3

It's not like your proposal is going to reach quorum so... don't expect anything significant to happen. You're not raising any awareness, you're sadly putting yourself in a situation where you draw more ridicule and ire than accomplish any lasting change. I'm not telling you to withdraw your "proposal", because you won't listen to reason anyway, but my advice is: don't keep your hopes up if this is the proposal that you insist on keeping, because if the proposal stays as it is, it will continue to be negatively criticised for a few days, and then be forever forgotten.

I will ensure this proposal reaches quorum.
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Postby Daarwyrth » Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:00 am

Monkchester wrote:
Daarwyrth wrote:It's not like your proposal is going to reach quorum so... don't expect anything significant to happen. You're not raising any awareness, you're sadly putting yourself in a situation where you draw more ridicule and ire than accomplish any lasting change. I'm not telling you to withdraw your "proposal", because you won't listen to reason anyway, but my advice is: don't keep your hopes up if this is the proposal that you insist on keeping, because if the proposal stays as it is, it will continue to be negatively criticised for a few days, and then be forever forgotten.

I will ensure this proposal reaches quorum.

Yeah, don't expect to succeed. If the proposal was really well-written, then perhaps. But this proposal, in its current form? Nope, don't keep your hopes up.
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Postby Sedgistan » Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:06 am

Kazakhstan 3 wrote:
Comfed wrote:Your proposal is a bunch of flat-out lies. It doesn’t even begin to approach SC standards. Do your research before you write proposals.


That’s laughable, three moderators have said the exact opposite by legalizing my proposal. It clearly does meet the sc standards. As for lying, everything I wrote was previously discussed with members of TCB who choose to remain unnamed. Just because my proposal is unique doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

Moderators have confirmed the proposal is legal according to the Security Council proposal rules. That's not the same as the informal standards that World Assembly participants, in particular experienced Security Council regulars posting here, tend to expect from proposals - things like well-reasoned arguments that are backed up by facts, and well-written text that has gone through a thorough drafting process. Or in short - the "quality" of the proposal. Put bluntly, it's possible for a proposal to be legal yet crap.

Having said that, I absolutely agree that communism should be Condemned wherever it occurs. Unfortunately, this proposal does not make the case well enough.

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Postby Kazakhstan 3 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:06 am

Daarwyrth wrote:
Kazakhstan 3 wrote:Legal means it meets the SC standards!!! I don’t know what sudo-rules you are talking about but when referring to the SC standards my proposal absolutely meets them.

Nope, please read the rules, because you clearly didn't do that.

First off sorry about the typo it is pseudo and secondly I have read the rules and the mods have legalized my bill. You can pout all you want but my proposal is 100% legal and will reach quorum under the supervision of our numerous allies.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:13 am

Kazakhstan 3 wrote:
Daarwyrth wrote:Nope, please read the rules, because you clearly didn't do that.

First off sorry about the typo it is pseudo and secondly I have read the rules and the mods have legalized my bill. You can pout all you want but my proposal is 100% legal and will reach quorum under the supervision of our numerous allies.

I have no doubt that this pile of crap can reach quorum; send out enough telegrams and the rubber stampers will approve it with no regard to the quality.

However, if it does get to the vote the major delegates will see it for what it is (absolute shite) and stomp it.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:18 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Kazakhstan 3 wrote:First off sorry about the typo it is pseudo and secondly I have read the rules and the mods have legalized my bill. You can pout all you want but my proposal is 100% legal and will reach quorum under the supervision of our numerous allies.

I have no doubt that this pile of crap can reach quorum; send out enough telegrams and the rubber stampers will approve it with no regard to the quality.

However, if it does get to the vote the major delegates will see it for what it is (absolute shite) and stomp it.

Anyone can draft a terrible resolution and it can still reach quorum if you have backers or you yourself spend a boatload to spam campaign telegrams (such as the comical Ravana condemnation). There's also a lot of bandwagon jumping with this because all you need to say is "communism bad" and some people will absolutely latch onto it. Same thing with "raiders bad."
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Postby Kazakhstan 3 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:47 am

I wouldn’t call standing up inherently flawed ideology “bandwagoning” it’s simply people fighting the good fight.

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Postby HumanSanity » Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:02 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Kazakhstan 3 wrote:First off sorry about the typo it is pseudo and secondly I have read the rules and the mods have legalized my bill. You can pout all you want but my proposal is 100% legal and will reach quorum under the supervision of our numerous allies.

I have no doubt that this pile of crap can reach quorum; send out enough telegrams and the rubber stampers will approve it with no regard to the quality.

For what it's worth, I approved this largely out of boredom since I only have a "generate meme by approving" button for another 2-ish weeks and figured I should take advantage of it.

Sometimes, my efforts to hit a "generate meme" button turn into a "generate shitstorm SC thread" button.

I regret all such efforts and have retracted my approval.
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Postby Pluvie » Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:03 am

Kazakhstan 3 wrote:First off sorry about the typo it is pseudo

Oh ftr I was just being mean :P It's not actually that big of a deal I just thought it was funny xD
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Postby Kazakhstan 3 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:06 am

HumanSanity wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:I have no doubt that this pile of crap can reach quorum; send out enough telegrams and the rubber stampers will approve it with no regard to the quality.

For what it's worth, I approved this largely out of boredom since I only have a "generate meme by approving" button for another 2-ish weeks and figured I should take advantage of it.

Sometimes, my efforts to hit a "generate meme" button turn into a "generate shitstorm SC thread" button.

I regret all such efforts and have retracted my approval.

How absolutely tragic, I wish you best on your future involvement but your support would be greatly appreciate, even as meme I would say this “shitstorm SC thread is the greatest meme of all.

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Postby Eumaeus » Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:52 am

Would it kill someone to post the text of the proposal in the thread.

Ignoring your thesis statement, the two arguments that you provide are accusations with no supporting evidence. Merit of the arguments aside, even if they were valid reasons for condemnation they would still be unacceptable without further elaboration.
They have taken control of industry and their leaders intentionally decrease civil liberties.

What evidence do you have that nations in TCB have decreased civil liberties? What evidence do you have that they intentionally do this?
Some of them trap their citizens within their horrifying walls.

What are examples of nations within TCB that have closed their borders or limited the ability of their citizens to travel/emigrate to other nations? I'm at least presuming that this is what you mean, because the language of this statement is extremely vague.

Even if you're able to adequately answer these questions, the issue is that whatever you respond with should have been included within the text of the proposal in the first place.
Action The Security Council hereby condemns The Communist Bloc.

Additionally, this is an extremely clunky operative clause.

Though I loath stooping to whataboutisms, I find it ironic that the author of this proposal is the founder of a region that ranks in the top 15% of the world in Authoritarianism (compared to TCB’s top 18.6%) and in the bottom 25% for both Political Freedoms and Civil Rights (compared to TCB’s bottom 41.4% and bottom 60% respectively). I'm reminded of an obscure proverb I once heard about glass houses and throwing stones.
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