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Postby HumanSanity » Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:21 pm

Wanted to say I'm sorry to see this hasn't made it to quorum given the amount of miscellaneous nonsense ongoing here. You made an honest effort on a real proposal and it got drowned out. I hope to see it resubmitted with some edits eventually for the quorum process and up-or-down vote it deserves in better contexts.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:53 pm

HumanSanity wrote:Wanted to say I'm sorry to see this hasn't made it to quorum given the amount of miscellaneous nonsense ongoing here. You made an honest effort on a real proposal and it got drowned out. I hope to see it resubmitted with some edits eventually for the quorum process and up-or-down vote it deserves in better contexts.

Although I don't believe Cashdeer is someone who should get a condemnation, I do want to see the draft get some more improvements considering it wasn't in the best of states when submitted at the time.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:30 pm

I will be adding more things to the draft very soon. I already have ideas planned.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:06 pm

Added more to the draft.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:25 am

Great Algerstonia wrote:The Security Council,

NOTING that Cashdeer's humorless population lives in a state of perpetual fear due to the horrible and severe lack of governance by the country's corrupt CEO, leaving it up to biker gangs to keep order;


This is basically ripped from the nation's front page, so it'll help loads to come up with something more creative

BLAMING this failed state on the corporate CEO leadership of the country, as shown by CEO Moneybag's choice of public spending and policy, including...
  • Cashdeer's government spending a whopping 94% of it's money available for spending on the country's Industry, which is led by sour industries such as money-wasting Gambling and environment-ruining Uranium Mining;
  • Cashdeer's government ignoring all spending sectors except Industry and International Aid, causing the citizens to have no police force, military, public healthcare, or state education;
  • Cashdeer legalizing the horrible practices of Human Sacrifice and Child Labor.
  • Cashdeer having a horrible environment, with the landscape being barren and inhospitable and an extremely low rate of 0.46 pounds of wildlife per square mile of land;


1. You should elaborate more on how gambling 'wastes money' and uranium mining ruins the evnironment. You could tie it into other extreme stats, like large wealth gaps and terrible weather respectively.
2. Why is that bad? Elaborate
3. You could try tying in stats here as well.
4. Yeah, you should link certain policies to terrible stats, which would help your proposal flow and make more sense.

HORRIFIED that through Cashdeer's awful leadership, the people have suffered greatly under the regime, with extreme hardships of common life including...
  • The top death rate of the world, with people dying from normally preventative deaths including malnourishment, nuclear spills, and scurvy; as well as large amounts of deaths considered to be forbidden in most countries, such as ritual sacrifices;
  • A horrifyingly low lifespan, with the average citizen not living past 14 years old;
  • The most crime out of all countries in the world, with crime being so common that it is unusual to encounter someone following the law;
  • Extremely unhealthy lifestyles, with a horrifying 99.4% obesity rate combined with thriving pizza and soda industries and a complete lack of public healthcare policy and funding;


1. Again, this is justly blandly restating what Max already said. In addition, you could say that the WA specifically bans ritual sacrifice and the like, which makes it more of the WA's concern.
2. Not strictly true, it's just that the average expectancy ends at 14.
3. Again, you're literally copying the nation page. This might even get you a plagiarism ding.
4. I think you should make this cause and effect - the lack of healthcare leads to people being unhealthy.


OBSERVING that due to the inept governance of Cashdeer's leadership, their population has become very ignorant and apathetic towards politics and governance, alongside having an extremely rebellious youth, which means that the horrific situation in Cashdeer is unlikely to change;

SADDENED at the mental toll this has created on Cashdeer's population, with Cashdeer's population being extremely rude, exclusive, non-compassionate, and non-cheerful;


These are good. You should have more of these.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:26 am

While the proposal is fairly well written I'm still don't believe that the nominee is Condemnable. I'll be honest I don't particularly like these stats based C&Cs, but I am willing to be convinced if the the author produces compelling reasons.

And so far there is not enough of those to make me want to support this should it get to vote. As Honeydewistania has pointed out there is a lack of originality in some of the clauses with them being straight copy-pasta from the nation's page. So, more work required in my opinion.
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Postby GruffyRichard and HillbillyBob » Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:33 am

I don't think that proposals should be based on NS stats, whether they are commendations or condemnations. I was against Commend Northern Borland for the same reason. I also (if it reaches quorum) will be against Condemn Northern Borland.
Condemnations should be used for stuff like raiding or whatever, not stats.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:08 am

You might be able to convince more people if you rehash some originality issues and make a more robust argument to condemn Cashdeer. However, I don't think this nominee is remotely condemnable mainly since you're largely basing it off on stats and nation policy.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:21 am

I will be implementing Honeydewistania, Bhang Bhang Duc, and Outer Sparta's suggestions very soon. :)

I really like honeydewistania's idea on non-compliance. I think I am going to skim through GA resolutions and add non-compliance to the draft. Thank you!
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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:52 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:I really like honeydewistania's idea on non-compliance. I think I am going to skim through GA resolutions and add non-compliance to the draft. Thank you!

Cashdeer is not (as of time of writing) a member of the World Assembly and therefore cannot be in a state of non-compliance with any of its resolutions.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:54 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:I really like honeydewistania's idea on non-compliance. I think I am going to skim through GA resolutions and add non-compliance to the draft. Thank you!

Cashdeer is not (as of time of writing) a member of the World Assembly and therefore cannot be in a state of non-compliance with any of its resolutions.

Huh. That's true.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:16 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Cashdeer is not (as of time of writing) a member of the World Assembly and therefore cannot be in a state of non-compliance with any of its resolutions.

Huh. That's true.

But by doing things contrary to what the WA values and promotes could be a point
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:19 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Cashdeer is not (as of time of writing) a member of the World Assembly and therefore cannot be in a state of non-compliance with any of its resolutions.

Huh. That's true.

If you can't fit that in, you really don't have much in your draft. All it is is just stats based and doesn't make a good argument.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Tue Mar 23, 2021 6:53 pm

I wrote a new draft.
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Postby The Python » Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:45 pm

Hmm. Probably, but I don't know if stats are condemnable. Leaning for though
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:26 am

Any feedback?
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:39 pm

Still standing by with my normal criticisms: the nominee isn't condemnable enough. That gets a no from me.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Fri Jul 16, 2021 12:34 pm

Just an fyi im going to be starting this up again. Does anyone have any suggestions for improvement on this draft?
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Postby Outer Sparta » Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:33 pm

Still not a condemnable nominee. Opposed.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:08 am

Submitted.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:49 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:Submitted.

Even if it makes quorum, it won't pass and you were told that.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:52 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:Submitted.

Even if it makes quorum, it won't pass and you were told that.

Good to know
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:48 pm

Gonna try to submit this again soon, the last couple times I submitted it it failed quorum because I was not campaigning correctly? Does anybody know of a good guide/can tell me how to campaign efficiently using templates without using stamps? Would really like to know this
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Postby WayNeacTia » Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:04 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:Gonna try to submit this again soon, the last couple times I submitted it it failed quorum because I was not campaigning correctly? Does anybody know of a good guide/can tell me how to campaign efficiently using templates without using stamps? Would really like to know this

Content might be at play here as well. Just saying……
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:19 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:Gonna try to submit this again soon, the last couple times I submitted it it failed quorum because I was not campaigning correctly? Does anybody know of a good guide/can tell me how to campaign efficiently using templates without using stamps? Would really like to know this

Content might be at play here as well. Just saying……

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