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Postby Sorianora » Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:25 am

Recently an an illegal proposal was submitted. Just wanted to make you aware.
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Postby TheMothman » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:07 am

A Goblinoid Merchant wrote:Hi

I feel very well represented by HumanSanity. Just listen to him/her, please.

I get a bit lost what I have to hope, desire, commit to satisfy expectations but I try my best to give The Embassy a fair chance.

This repeal seems good.

Thank you!


Cool Cool! ^_^ Full Support then. I retract my statements. I wanted to insure that this what you wanted. Defenders have just as much a political agenda as raiders when it comes to R/D as their own fervor was much more present than yours I just wanted some genuine verification that it was your intent and want and not something hefted upon you.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:30 pm

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Postby The Python » Sat Feb 20, 2021 6:15 pm


And has reached quorum so in about 6 days it'll go to vote :clap: Full support.
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Postby Partnership for Sovereignty » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:33 pm

The Partnership for Sovereignty recommends a vote FOR Repeal "Liberate The Embassy": https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1511558
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Postby Alfonzo » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:46 pm

TheMothman wrote:
A Goblinoid Merchant wrote:Hi

I feel very well represented by HumanSanity. Just listen to him/her, please.

I get a bit lost what I have to hope, desire, commit to satisfy expectations but I try my best to give The Embassy a fair chance.

This repeal seems good.

Thank you!


Cool Cool! ^_^ Full Support then. I retract my statements. I wanted to insure that this what you wanted. Defenders have just as much a political agenda as raiders when it comes to R/D as their own fervor was much more present than yours I just wanted some genuine verification that it was your intent and want and not something hefted upon you.

I'm sorry but lmao why would they not?

They clearly didn't like to see The Embassy raided in the first place and keeping the liberation there would just make them vulnerable to more raids and thus impossible to rebuild. That's just a post made from such a bad standpoint.
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Postby Pluvie » Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:38 pm

Alfonzo wrote:I'm sorry but lmao why would they not?

They clearly didn't like to see The Embassy raided in the first place and keeping the liberation there would just make them vulnerable to more raids and thus impossible to rebuild. That's just a post made from such a bad standpoint.

I don't know, I can see the viewpoint actually. R/D does often have its own agenda for things, whether that be good or bad, and I think making sure that this repeal was actually the will and want of the owners of a region is not a bad thing to do. The liberation and repeal is to protect the natives right? So if natives didn't want to be unliberated or just wanted to take themselves out of the spotlight for instance, I don't see what's wrong with confirming the opinions of natives.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:20 pm

The Python wrote:

And has reached quorum so in about 6 days it'll go to vote :clap: Full support.

And it has gone to vote 8)
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Postby Honeydewistania » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:26 pm

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Postby The Python » Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:49 pm

This will allow natives to password the region so that it will not be raided in the future. Full support.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:17 am

Obvious support given the natives have retaken the region and thus will allow them to secure it once again.
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Postby Frenchy II » Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:20 am

It's not the Security Council's job to defend regions, it's the job of defenders.

Full support for this resolution.
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Postby Eumaeus » Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:28 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:Believing that this Council should allow the nation in the region the ability to establish barriers of entry to prevent future invasions,

If it is a typo it's such a small one that even I don't actually care about it, but is "nation" supposed to be "nations"?
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:31 pm

Eumaeus wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Believing that this Council should allow the nation in the region the ability to establish barriers of entry to prevent future invasions,

If it is a typo it's such a small one that even I don't actually care about it, but is "nation" supposed to be "nations"?

A Goblinoid Merchant is The Embassy's only known native.

Eumaeus wrote:
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I find it immensely entertaining that a proposal of such brevity needed to credit a co-author.

To be fair, Liberate NAZI EUROPE by Douria also had a co-author :P
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Postby Eumaeus » Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:34 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Eumaeus wrote:If it is a typo it's such a small one that even I don't actually care about it, but is "nation" supposed to be "nations"?

A Goblinoid Merchant is The Embassy's only known native.

Ah, that makes more sense. Thank you for the clarification.
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Postby Xeknos » Sun Feb 28, 2021 1:44 am

A Goblinoid Merchant wrote:Hi

I feel very well represented by HumanSanity. Just listen to him/her, please.

I get a bit lost what I have to hope, desire, commit to satisfy expectations but I try my best to give The Embassy a fair chance.

This repeal seems good.

Thank you!


Do you see what I mean? It's difficult to support any of this when the sole nation left in the region doesn't even seem to particularly give a shit what happens to said region.

This will pass, but I'm voting a symbolic AGAINST. We should liberate nations who actually want to be liberated.
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Postby HumanSanity » Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:36 am

Xeknos wrote:
A Goblinoid Merchant wrote:Hi

I feel very well represented by HumanSanity. Just listen to him/her, please.

I get a bit lost what I have to hope, desire, commit to satisfy expectations but I try my best to give The Embassy a fair chance.

This repeal seems good.

Thank you!


Do you see what I mean? It's difficult to support any of this when the sole nation left in the region doesn't even seem to particularly give a shit what happens to said region.

This will pass, but I'm voting a symbolic AGAINST. We should liberate nations who actually want to be liberated.

How does anything AGM said indicate they don't care what happens? There's a difference between not caring what happens to a region and being exhausted of explaining what you want for a region to meet manufactured raider standards.
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Postby A Goblinoid Merchant » Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:44 am

Xeknos wrote:
A Goblinoid Merchant wrote:Hi

I feel very well represented by HumanSanity. Just listen to him/her, please.

I get a bit lost what I have to hope, desire, commit to satisfy expectations but I try my best to give The Embassy a fair chance.

This repeal seems good.

Thank you!


Do you see what I mean? It's difficult to support any of this when the sole nation left in the region doesn't even seem to particularly give a shit what happens to said region.

This will pass, but I'm voting a symbolic AGAINST. We should liberate nations who actually want to be liberated.


May I send an embassy request to your home region? Maybe then it is easier for you to actually find and see the region you are talking about here? Please let me know. Thank you!

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Postby Eshialand » Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:56 am

Tinhampton wrote:
Eumaeus wrote:If it is a typo it's such a small one that even I don't actually care about it, but is "nation" supposed to be "nations"?

A Goblinoid Merchant is The Embassy's only known native.

Not anymore. AGM has since appointed 6 new embassy ROs and authorized them to stay as natives (including myself, Alfonzo, and The Python), meaning that there are now at least seven natives. (There are also three new border control ROs, but I don't know if they're staying as natives.)
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Postby Imperialist British Empire » Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:01 pm

Hello, new player here. I saw that a resolution called Repeal: "Liberate The Embassy" is at vote, and it says that "The Embassy has been secured from hostile forces,". What happened? What do they mean by hostile forces? Sorry if I sound dumb I only just joined NationStates
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Postby Frontier Isles » Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:04 pm

The Embassy used to have a regional password. Raiders cracked the PW and took over The Embassy. The "Liberate the Embassy" resolution removed the regional password so that defenders could go kick out the raiders. Now that the raiders are gone, it's time to repeal the "Liberate the Embassy" resolution so that the regional PW can be restored again.

And if you don't know what The Embassy is, they're a region dedicated to connecting regions across NS by building embassies.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:07 pm

Regions can get raided by raider groups, whereby the raiders move their WA nations into a region and vote for their own candidate to secure the delegacy in the region. They then proceed to use the powers that the delegate has to do various things, such as kicking out the natives, changing the flag and description on the region page, closing or establishing embassies with other regions, etc. In this case, a region called The Embassy was raided, it was subsequently liberated by a previous Security Council Resolution. A liberation removes any password that may have been placed on the region by the invaders, allowing for a counter-raid to liberate the region by voting in a new delegate. That has already taken place, so the previously passed liberation Resolution is being repealed, as it has already served its purpose.
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Postby The Python » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:40 pm

What NCR said. Lily, helped by allies, raided it (usurped the WA delegacy) after Frenchy II got the password by founding Traveling Wilburys under puppet nations and becoming friends with the Embassy:

Frenchy II wrote:Hello, I obtained the password to the Embassy through a months long process where I...

Founded Traveling Wilburys as Nelson Wilbury, then sent out over 24000 embassy requests with a friend.

Exchanged methods with Ambassadors Reception.

Started doing a song of the day to keep the persona alive.

Then got the password after offering to help maintain the Embassy.

Oh boy am I now doing maintenance work!


Then the SC liberated it (removed the password) and now that is being repealed so natives can put the password back so it's not raided again because natives are back in control.
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Postby Imperialist British Empire » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:51 pm

Okay thanks!

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Postby TheMothman » Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:25 pm

Alfonzo wrote:-snip-.



Ah, sorry didn't check back in after I got my answer, but I just waned assurance from AGM themselves, I took their, AGM's, previous statements as tepid because compared to tone of the non-natives over the Embassy it appeared that way, turns out AGM is just a super calm, super pleasant nation and their upset tone is like the average baseline for like ever other nation on NS. Also I'm not one to give Defenders, TITO specifically, free reign without asking for transparency, considering how often the answer from that side of the aisle is "Well we have this 'proof' we just can't show it to the public", that just isn't enough for me and really shouldn't be enough for NS at large despite how often we accept it. Part of this is wholly due to them being partisan party with in R/D thus having an agenda and part of this is past and personal experiences with their organization. I hope this answer satisfies you.

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