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[DEFEATED] Condemn Lily

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:18 pm
by Aredita
Before I start, I'd really appreciate it you would not copy this in part or whole. (First of all, that plagiarism, and goes against NS rules). Second, please don't create a condemn Lily proposal while this one is being reviewed. If this doesn't reach quorum when I submit, or if it does become a resolution, but people vote against it, then go ahead! Submit yours! I promise I won't submit mine during your shot. So, please let me have mine. Alright, enough gibber-gabber!


The Security Council,

Defining Lily to be a region mainly devoted to defending and invading.

Noting that Lily was founded in 2017 by Beautiful Flower Bouquet with the sole intention of tagging and detagging. Within 1 week of being founded, Lily had 3 members and had raided and detagged nearly 60 regions.

In 2018, Lily carried out "Operation Supernova” which successfully tagged 403 regions in a single update. In 2020, Lily initiated "The Stargazer” which tagged 576 regions, again, in a single update. And just recently, Lily invaded The Embassy, a region in which held 3519 embassies, was founded in 2015, and held over 50 nations; fell due to manipulation tactics carried out by Frenchy II, a high ranking officer in Lily, to receive the password. The moment Lily seized control, they polluted the World Factbook Entry with advertisements, dismissed officers, and closed every single embassy.

In recent events, Lily and The Black Hawks, another ruthless invader signed an accord, agreeing to “...look towards a bright future between them and the interregional military.” This not only magnifies the ruthless behavior Lily already exhibits, but it also allies them with a region that has been condemned twice.

At one point, Lily had tagged nearly 40% of all taggable regions, and at this point, holds over 1650 embassies in Plum Island, the region where it holds embassies of the regions they invaded.

The Security Council's motto is “Spreading interregional peace and goodwill, via force if necessary.” This is one of those times where we must take action and use force against Lily to condemn them. Otherwise, what is the Security Council good for?

Herby condemns Lily.

▼Updated Draft▼

The Security Council,

Noting that Lily was founded in 2017 by Beautiful Flower Bouquet with the sole intention of tagging and de-tagging. Within 1 week of being founded, Lily had 3 members and had raided and detagged nearly 60 regions.

Lily is known to launch fast invasions, that require minimal effort. This makes them some of the most efficient and feared invaders in NationStates. Just see what Lily can do;

i. In 2018, Lily carried out "Operation Supernova” which successfully tagged 403 regions in a single update.

ii. In 2020, Lily initiated "The Stargazer” which tagged 576 regions, again, in a single update.

iii. And just recently, Lily invaded The Embassy, a region in which held 3519 embassies, was founded in 2015, and held over 50 nations; fell due to manipulation tactics carried out by Frenchy II, a high ranking officer in Lily, to receive the password. The moment Lily seized control, they polluted the World Factbook Entry with advertisements, dismissed officers, and closed every single embassy.

iv. In 2020, LIly was able to seize the delegacy from NationStates, and end a streak of 5907 days.

v. Just a few days ago, Lily established nearly 70 new embassies in Plum Island, the region where it holds embassies of the regions they invaded. Think about what they could do in a year.

In recent events, Lily and The Black Hawks, another ruthless invader agreed to “...look towards a bright future between them and the interregional military.” This not only magnifies the ruthless behavior Lily already exhibits, but it also allies them with a region that has been condemned twice.

At one point, Lily had tagged nearly 40% of all taggable regions and at this point, holds over 1650 embassies in Plum Island.

The Security Council's motto is “Spreading interregional peace and goodwill, via force if necessary.” This is one of those times where we must take action and use force against Lily to condemn them.

The Security Council herby Condemns Lily.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:20 pm
by Tinhampton
Aredita wrote:Second, please don't create a condemn Lily proposal while this one is being reviewed. This is my first time actually trying to get this voted on...

Factcheck: MOSTLY FALSE
1. You cannot include links to the NationStates forums in submitted proposals.
2. How can a region both have "the sole intention of becoming an invader region" and detag regions in its first ever military operation?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:22 pm
by Aredita
Tinhampton wrote:
Aredita wrote:Second, please don't create a condemn Lily proposal while this one is being reviewed. This is my first time actually trying to get this voted on...

Factcheck: MOSTLY FALSE

You cannot include links to the NationStates forums in submitted proposals.

Okay. I'll remove those.

Anything else?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:20 pm
by Lord Dominator
Lily and TBH don't have a treaty - TBH doesn't do treaties, and as far as I know neither does Lily.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:07 pm
by Baedan
Aredita wrote:Defining Lily to be a region mainly devoted to defending and invading.

Not sure why you would define something in an SC proposal, even less sure why you would define a region, and extremely unsure of the point of this clause
Aredita wrote:Noting that Lily was founded in 2017 by Beautiful Flower Bouquet with the sole intention of tagging and detagging. Within 1 week of being founded, Lily had 3 members and had raided and detagged nearly 60 regions.

Don't get why anyone should care.
Aredita wrote:In 2018, Lily carried out "Operation Supernova” which successfully tagged 403 regions in a single update. In 2020, Lily initiated "The Stargazer” which tagged 576 regions, again, in a single update. And just recently, Lily invaded The Embassy, a region in which held 3519 embassies, was founded in 2015, and held over 50 nations; fell due to manipulation tactics carried out by Frenchy II, a high ranking officer in Lily, in order to receive the password. The moment Lily seized control, they polluted the World Factbook Entry with advertisements, dismissed officers, and closed every single embassy.

Now, I admit to being fairly ill-versed in NS history but even I can think of more Lily ops than this.
Aredita wrote:In recent events, Lily and The Black Hawks, another ruthless invader signed a peace treaty, agreeing to “...look towards a bright future between them and the interregional military.” This not only magnifies the ruthless behavior Lily already exhibits, but it also allies them with a region that has been condemned twice.

Not really an FA person but I don't think that's what allying is.
Aredita wrote:The Security Council's motto is “Spreading interregional peace and goodwill, via force if necessary.” This is one of those times where we must take action and use force against Lily to condemn them. Otherwise, what is the Security Council good for?

Don't know what the point of this is.
Aredita wrote:Herby condemns Lily.

Herby does no such thing.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:30 pm
by Aredita
Lord Dominator wrote:Lily and TBH don't have a treaty - TBH doesn't do treaties, and as far as I know neither does Lily.

Nope. They do have a treaty.

viewtopic.php?p=37586608#p37586608

viewtopic.php?p=37790561#p37790561

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:42 pm
by Baedan
Aredita wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Lily and TBH don't have a treaty - TBH doesn't do treaties, and as far as I know neither does Lily.

Nope. They do have a treaty.

viewtopic.php?p=37586608#p37586608

viewtopic.php?p=37790561#p37790561

The Rom's Apartment Accords are not a treaty, nor a reason to condemn a region

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:44 pm
by Aredita
Baedan wrote:

The Rom's Apartment Accords are not a treaty, nor a reason to condemn a reason

Okay.

I'll change the wording from "treaty" to "accord." Thank you!!!

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:14 pm
by Herby
Baedan wrote:
Aredita wrote:Herby condemns Lily.

Herby does no such thing.

Damn right! I had a calico named Lily, poor lil thing had tumors in her legs so bad, had to put her down a few years ago. **sniff**

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:18 pm
by Outer Sparta
Any resolution targeting Lily has to go beyond than just mere tag-raiding. Here are a couple of things I have questions on:

At one point, Lily had tagged nearly 40% of all taggable regions, and at this point, holds over 1650 embassies in Plum Island, the region where it holds embassies of the regions they invaded.

Be more specific with your words with "at one point." What month and year did they tag nearly 40% of all taggable regions?

The Security Council's motto is “Spreading interregional peace and goodwill, via force if necessary.” This is one of those times where we must take action and use force against Lily to condemn them. Otherwise, what is the Security Council good for?

I'm not too sure if this part in your draft is really necessary. I think most people would know what the SC does and to me, it just serves as unnecessary filler.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:44 pm
by The Unified Missourtama States
I mean, sure, yeah, condemn Lily, but this draft is far too conversational, I can't say it maintains the great reverence and respect with which a resolution should be treated, especially for an organization as successful as Lily.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:59 pm
by Outer Sparta
The Unified Missourtama States wrote:I mean, sure, yeah, condemn Lily, but this draft is far too conversational, I can't say it maintains the great reverence and respect with which a resolution should be treated, especially for an organization as successful as Lily.

I'm inclined to agree that a region like Lily should be condemned, but of course any draft must do it justice.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:06 pm
by Lord Dominator
Aredita wrote:
Baedan wrote:The Rom's Apartment Accords are not a treaty, nor a reason to condemn a reason

Okay.

I'll change the wording from "treaty" to "accord." Thank you!!!

It's a joint statement on relations, nothing more

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:12 pm
by Twobagger
For anyone wishing to Condemn Lily (or Frenchy), please remember their toppling of Mikeswill's delegate streak in NationStates: link to the report here. The region's history page lists Mikeswill as having been delegate for 5907 days consecutively when an effort led by Lily elevated a native and broke the streak.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:29 am
by Bhang Bhang Duc
Aredita wrote:The Security Council,

Defining Lily to be a region mainly devoted to defending and invading.

Weird start. Consider re-writing this.

Aredita wrote:Noting that Lily was founded in 2017 by Beautiful Flower Bouquet with the sole intention of tagging and detagging. Within 1 week of being founded, Lily had 3 members and had raided and detagged nearly 60 regions.

Hardly condemnable.

Aredita wrote:In 2018, Lily carried out "Operation Supernova” which successfully tagged 403 regions in a single update. In 2020, Lily initiated "The Stargazer” which tagged 576 regions, again, in a single update. And just recently, Lily invaded The Embassy, a region in which held 3519 embassies, was founded in 2015, and held over 50 nations; fell due to manipulation tactics carried out by Frenchy II, a high ranking officer in Lily, in order to receive the password. The moment Lily seized control, they polluted the World Factbook Entry with advertisements, dismissed officers, and closed every single embassy.

I guess this is supposed to be the meat of this draft. If it is then it's very thin soup. So much scope for detail, so little research done.

Aredita wrote:In recent events, Lily and The Black Hawks, another ruthless invader signed an accord, agreeing to “...look towards a bright future between them and the interregional military.” This not only magnifies the ruthless behavior Lily already exhibits, but it also allies them with a region that has been condemned twice.

Again nothing condemnable here, just filler.

Aredita wrote:At one point, Lily had tagged nearly 40% of all taggable regions, and at this point, holds over 1650 embassies in Plum Island, the region where it holds embassies of the regions they invaded.

Again you exhibit your laziness with regards to research. You could have gone into much more detail but looks like you couldn't be bothered.

Aredita wrote:The Security Council's motto is “Spreading interregional peace and goodwill, via force if necessary.” This is one of those times where we must take action and use force against Lily to condemn them. Otherwise, what is the Security Council good for?

Leave rhetoric to those who can do a good job of it.

Aredita wrote:Herby condemns Lily.

FFS leave Herby out of it! :)

To be honest you do not seem to have learnt any lessons in writing a Condemnation since your previous couple of attempts. This is poorly researched and not very well written. Lily, if they are deserving of a Condemnation, are worthy of a much better one than this.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:15 pm
by Sorianora
Ah, well, I see this proposal has been submitted despite its flaws.

Including “Herby”

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:16 pm
by Greater Cesnica
Herby.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:23 pm
by Bhang Bhang Duc
Three times Herby was mentioned and you still didn’t correct it before submitting.

Oh dearie, dearie me.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:25 pm
by Greater Cesnica
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Three times Herby was mentioned and you still didn’t correct it before submitting.

Oh dearie, dearie me.

And they submitted and withdrew again.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:25 pm
by Sorianora
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Three times Herby was mentioned and you still didn’t correct it before submitting.

Oh dearie, dearie me.

Maybe they wish to condemn herby more than lily......

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:25 pm
by Greater Cesnica
Seconds ago: The Holy Blue Monarchy of Aredita submitted a proposal to the Security Council Condemnation Board entitled "Condemn Lily".
2 minutes ago: The Holy Blue Monarchy of Aredita withdrew a proposal from the WA Security Council titled "Condemn Lily".
2 minutes ago: The Holy Blue Monarchy of Aredita submitted a proposal to the Security Council Condemnation Board entitled "Condemn Lily".
4 minutes ago: The Holy Blue Monarchy of Aredita withdrew a proposal from the WA Security Council titled "Condemn Lily".

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:28 pm
by Greater Cesnica
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:30 pm
by Aredita
Greater Cesnica wrote:
Seconds ago: The Holy Blue Monarchy of Aredita submitted a proposal to the Security Council Condemnation Board entitled "Condemn Lily".
2 minutes ago: The Holy Blue Monarchy of Aredita withdrew a proposal from the WA Security Council titled "Condemn Lily".
2 minutes ago: The Holy Blue Monarchy of Aredita submitted a proposal to the Security Council Condemnation Board entitled "Condemn Lily".
4 minutes ago: The Holy Blue Monarchy of Aredita withdrew a proposal from the WA Security Council titled "Condemn Lily".

Yeah, a couple of last-minute spelling mistakes. All fixed now.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:37 pm
by Fahran
Furthermore, I consider that Lily must be condemned.

Full support, for wholly impartial and honest reasons, though I would recommend reviewing some of the language and provisions in the text of the resolution.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:40 pm
by The Python
Full support.