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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:37 pm

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Greater Cesnica has the truth of it.

If you have to submit and withdraw and do it over and over again, then it's a sign the draft isn't fully-fleshed out at that point. Better to spend some time on it and get everything worked out before going for the submission.

It's a shame that this condemnation was handled the way it was.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:53 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:If you have to submit and withdraw and do it over and over again, then it's a sign the draft isn't fully-fleshed out at that point. Better to spend some time on it and get everything worked out before going for the submission.

It's a shame that this condemnation was handled the way it was.

It reeks of a badge hunt and an attempt to use recent events as a condemn Lily bandwagon.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:37 pm

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Greater Cesnica wrote:It's a shame that this condemnation was handled the way it was.

It reeks of a badge hunt and an attempt to use recent events as a condemn Lily bandwagon.

Even if it is a badgehunt, at least make it read well, right?
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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:44 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:It reeks of a badge hunt and an attempt to use recent events as a condemn Lily bandwagon.

Even if it is a badgehunt, at least make it read well, right?

Yeah this one basically will come to a vote and I'm obviously opposed to it given that it's not well-written.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:31 pm

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Greater Cesnica wrote:Even if it is a badgehunt, at least make it read well, right?

Yeah this one basically will come to a vote and I'm obviously opposed to it given that it's not well-written.

The only way I see it passing is if like every small delegate and a majority of individual nations vote for it. And even then barely scraping by.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:39 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Yeah this one basically will come to a vote and I'm obviously opposed to it given that it's not well-written.

The only way I see it passing is if like every small delegate and a majority of individual nations vote for it. And even then barely scraping by.

Those are mostly the small delegates and individual nations that have jumped on the condemning Lily bandwagon without reading the resolution itself.
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Postby Fahran » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:38 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:Those are mostly the small delegates and individual nations that have jumped on the condemning Lily bandwagon without reading the resolution itself.

That would be a breath of fresh air in some respects since it so rarely happens, but, yeah, I can't say I'm a fan of the resolution itself. And I'm annoyed that my prior ties keep me from writing one given that it'd be spicy. :p
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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:13 pm

Fahran wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Those are mostly the small delegates and individual nations that have jumped on the condemning Lily bandwagon without reading the resolution itself.

That would be a breath of fresh air in some respects since it so rarely happens, but, yeah, I can't say I'm a fan of the resolution itself. And I'm annoyed that my prior ties keep me from writing one given that it'd be spicy. :p

Too bad those prior ties kept you from writing one yourself. I would have loved to see how you would approach that once more and yes, definitely will be spicy.
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Postby Fahran » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:22 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:Too bad those prior ties kept you from writing one yourself. I would have loved to see how you would approach that once more and yes, definitely will be spicy.

I do need to leave a mark on the GA/SC side of the game eventually. I've been pretty much everywhere else at this point. I was hoping someone would have reviewed the previous threads at some point.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:24 pm

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Outer Sparta wrote:Too bad those prior ties kept you from writing one yourself. I would have loved to see how you would approach that once more and yes, definitely will be spicy.

I do need to leave a mark on the GA/SC side of the game eventually. I've been pretty much everywhere else at this point. I was hoping someone would have reviewed the previous threads at some point.

Yeah given the author hasn't really responded to the criticisms of their draft, they definitely haven't looked at your prior draft and advice. Plus, they've strangely resigned from the WA.
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Postby Xeknos » Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:07 am

Fully AGAINST. The author fails to make the case to condemn this region, and doesn't appear to care enough to do even basic research.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:11 am

Outer Sparta wrote:
Fahran wrote:I do need to leave a mark on the GA/SC side of the game eventually. I've been pretty much everywhere else at this point. I was hoping someone would have reviewed the previous threads at some point.

Yeah given the author hasn't really responded to the criticisms of their draft, they definitely haven't looked at your prior draft and advice. Plus, they've strangely resigned from the WA.

Personally speaking I didn’t expect the author to respond to criticism. It was obvious to me that all they wanted to hear was praise. Their resignation from the WA seems more to do with their region’s own internal politics than anything else if you read their RMB.

Anyway two hours into the vote and it’s currently getting stomped. Early days, but promising.
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Postby Luxenermy » Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:22 am

I think I agree with a lot of other people in this thread. Good target, bad proposal. Submitted here for critique first but it looks like none of that stuck, minus a couple spelling fixes that weren't fixed until it had already been submitted once. I've voted against.
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Postby Team Lennox » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:47 am

Against. I was gunna add some help to the author but there's no point seeing it's being in quroom and submitted soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo........................
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:00 am

Team Lennox wrote:Against. I was gunna add some help to the author but there's no point seeing it's being in quroom and submitted soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo........................

Oh yes I’m sure your input to the draft would have been stellar.
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Postby Jarvikan » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:10 am

Full support

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Postby Team Lennox » Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:22 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:
Team Lennox wrote:Against. I was gunna add some help to the author but there's no point seeing it's being in quroom and submitted soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo........................

Oh yes I’m sure your input to the draft would have been stellar.

Yeah it would :p
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Postby Westarctic » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:09 am

Full support. I feel that the reason people will vote against this is because raiding is "allowed". Even then, this isn't right, raiding isn't ok just because its allowed.
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Postby Honeydewistania » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:13 am

Westarctic wrote:Full support. I feel that the reason people will vote against this is because raiding is "allowed". Even then, this isn't right, raiding isn't ok just because its allowed.

People will vote against it because the proposal is of low quality.
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Postby Westarctic » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:16 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
Westarctic wrote:Full support. I feel that the reason people will vote against this is because raiding is "allowed". Even then, this isn't right, raiding isn't ok just because its allowed.

People will vote against it because the proposal is of low quality.

i didn't even have to read it, all i know is that its condemning Lily and that's really what i care about.
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Postby Sorianora » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:18 am

Just as I’ve suspected, it’s getting destroyed in the polls right now. Hopefully we stay on this trend.

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:20 am

Westarctic wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:People will vote against it because the proposal is of low quality.

i didn't even have to read it, all i know is that its condemning Lily and that's really what i care about.

Well looks like you and the other nine hundred and something supporting (at the time of writing) are going to be severely disappointed. Next time try supporting something that’s well written.
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Postby The Socialist Republic of Astrakhan » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:36 am

Lily ought to be disgraced!!!

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:42 am

The Socialist Republic of Astrakhan wrote:Lily ought to be disgraced!!!

Maybe. Not by this garbage resolution though.
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Postby Hexxon » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:56 am

Full SUPPORT.

The dishonorable region of Lily had attempted a take over of my region, the United Federation of Earth, which had been successfully defeated by a noble group of defenders that managed to counter the invasion before they took control. Without those guys, Lily would have full control over my region. Lily needs to be condemned for their actions and be remembered as NationStates public enemy #1.

I don't care if it's poorly written - as long as they get condemned and disgraced that's all that matters to me.
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